Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[strike wolf]

Through page 12. Revoking town read on Buj. Changing it back to neutral. Reasoning. He said something that suggested that he knew a bit about wild pokemon beyond what anyone other than wild pokemon or team rocket would be expected to know at that point but has since played a bit of a doubters on whether TR is in the game which is a bit of an odd angle to play as a wild pokemon. Not quite enough for me to lean scum on him yet but enough to note my changed opinion.

I doubt Exile is a wild pokemon. It is difficult to believe that he could be without his win con for as long as he was and not realize something was wrong earlier. He could still be a non-Rocket trainer or starter pokemon.

About Mets: I am trying to avoid most of the ugliness here but I don't think it can be completely ignored, so I will try to keep this about his play. Prior to calling out the mod, I can't think of much of anything he has added to the game and saying he is here to" play the players" is a bit of a farce when you don't contribute much of anything. Since then, not much more.

@doom: actually dakky did specify that he was recruited during the day in a follow up post.

[strike wolf]

Ebwop about Mets: I will add that he usually plays a bit of a doubter as town so putting down the mitch case doesn't surprise me from him.

[dakky21]

Actually, I was claimed before D1 officially started, during the confirm phase. I already confirmed and then was notified of a plot twist. My trainer had to choose one Pokemon from the list while not knowing who is playing behind it. That's how I got chosen, I guess it could have been any of the other wild ones. And I'm pretty sure there other trainers and other claimed pokemons just not wanting to reveal that fact.

[DoomYoshi]

Yea, that's how I read it too.

[Metsfanmax]

As to his "I quit" shenanigans, you read the thread. If he seriously thinks this game is so unwinnable for him when Mandy interferes and confirms so little, he can't be town right?

I never made any argument about how this affects my winning chances. The argument was about the principle of the matter that I don't like it when this stuff happens, as is the case for most mafia players. (If anything having a player cleared by the mod helps my winning chances as town.)

Thirdly, this:

Disagree. Tim has had exactly this type of tantrum before in other games and it's not alignment-indicative.

does not logically follow into a scum read on Tim. He says it's not alignment-indicative, and he is quite right. Doesn't make Tim scum, doesn't explain his vote.

I said the mere fact that he had a tantrum is not alignment-indicative; that doesn't mean the contents of said tantrum are not alignment-indicative. I think that they are in this case -- we all questioned why Tim would claim with like six votes on him. This explains that fact.

About Mets: I am trying to avoid most of the ugliness here but I don't think it can be completely ignored, so I will try to keep this about his play. Prior to calling out the mod, I can't think of much of anything he has added to the game and saying he is here to" play the players" is a bit of a farce when you don't contribute much of anything. Since then, not much more.

Thanks sweetie.

[madmitch]

So you're not a wild Pokemon, just a Pokemon.

No, my role is Wild Pokemon, but 2 days later I got another role that I was claimed and that I can't no more attack or defend - that will my trainer decide. That's why I believe mitch is Mets pokemon and that's why I unvoted him. More pairs to be found though...

You also said you were someone starting pokemon ,This doesn't feel right ,and why would you give all your info away ? Us other Pokemon can attack you and kill you. You want us to believe that you will die in the night anyway so why hang you

[dakky21]

You also said you were someone starting pokemon ,This doesn't feel right ,and why would you give all your info away ? Us other Pokemon can attack you and kill you. You want us to believe that you will die in the night anyway so why hang you

Because it is our priority to hang Team Rocket members and fight with Pokemons at night. And actually there is not much difference between you and me, you claimed Wild pokemon as well, just didn't said you were claimed. Maybe you were claimed by TR and that's why you don't want to confess?

[madmitch]

@ Dakky sorry You're post must of come in while I was trying to write,

[Anarkistsdream]

@ Dakky sorry You're post must of come in while I was trying to write,

I call major bullshit on this post... It is clearly posted what time posters click Submit... There is no way there was an overlap of posting... Not to mention, when you DO click submit and someone has posted in the interim, it forces you to view that post before you can click submit...

I think Dakky just outed a TR pokemon...

However, I also think that by hanging him, we just allow TR to choose another pokemon, and I have no wish for it to be me... I can't imagine you only get one pokemon though the whole game if you are a trainer.

[The1exile]

You didn't have to say it. Exile had not yet confirmed he knew that. And that info was not in the win condition section so it is possible it wasn't in what Mandy sent him.

I knew it, I was just trying not to give away all the info I had in my PM straight off in day 1 . But here we are spelling out literally everything so I expect tonight to be an orgiastic festival of pokemon death and/or catching. I will say that I don't know if I've been told all the pokemon types or not, however, as I believe mitch alluded to earlier.

[Anarkistsdream]

There are those of us who were trainer hunting from the beginning, me included... That is why I have not posted since Friday... Because these other arguments have been ridiculous until mets decided he should be a complete cunt.

[color=#FF0000] So you are saying because no one was talking about what you wanted to talk about, instead of trying to force your input on in anyway, you decided to be weaksauce and just walk off for a few days? Is this what you plan to do throughout the game? Pls, don't be such a vagina.

This coming from a person who MAYBE posts once a day? At least I admit to it... And I still keep up with th thread... Wow, another hypocrite. Put more into the game if you think you deserve to be up on that soapbox...



@exile
I was never told the types of pokemon... Only what I was... I have no idea how many types there are or what they are... So I agree with you there.

[dakky21]

However, I also think that by hanging him, we just allow TR to choose another pokemon, and I have no wish for it to be me... I can't imagine you only get one pokemon though the whole game if you are a trainer.

If I am to speculate, then there are number of trainers and they got their pokeballs to throw at wild pokemons during night. So my speculation is that TR will catch another pokemon tonight, regardless if their first one is hanged or not. So if you think Mitch is their pokemon, which looks like it, I think we should hang him. I was hooked on mitch whole game due to his strange behavior and meta, so you could be correct. After all, you don't want TR to have 2 captured pokemons, do you?

so vote Mitch again

[mandalorian2298]

Sorry about the lack of VCs over Sunday. Also, please check if your vote is where it's supposed to be.

Vote count:

Tim (2) - new guy, Mets

Minister Masket (1)- Talapus,

BuJaber (1) - Aage (as spurgistan)

Mitch (4) - legionnare, Samlen, Yoshi, Dakky

Marashu (1) - Ragian

Talapus (1) - Skoffin

Anark (1) - Tim

Serbia (1) - Fircoal

The Weird One (1) - Mitch,

Mitch (1) - Exile,

legionnare (1) - Hotshot

Mets (3) - Tim, Anark, Serbia

Skittles (1) - Wing

Dakky (1) - Masket

Marashu (1) - BuJaber


26 alive, 14 to lynch

Aage, you still have a vote on BuJaber from your previous incarnation. While it would be reasonable from me to make an exception, it would also probably cause someone to have a tantrum about me playing favorites. Also, I hope you got your cheat sheet from the second attempt, PM system sucks. Go get them, tiger!

[madmitch]

I don't belong to anybody yet I honestly missed Dakky;s post ,if you guys want to make a big deal out of it go a head. I understand Mets frustration withthis game because I am stasting to feel the same way, too much bullshit and if anyone belongs to a TR trainer it's Dakky

[dakky21]

Aage, you still have a vote on BuJaber from your previous incarnation. While it would be reasonable from me to make an exception, it would also probably cause someone to have a tantrum about me playing favorites. Also, I hope you got your cheat sheet from the second attempt, PM system sucks. Go get them, tiger!

Is it just me or "Go get them" sounds like "Go catch them" ? Aage is a trainer? Good to know.

Mandy you should really stop with unnecessary comments, the setup itself is bastard enough.

[madmitch]

unvote vote Dakky

[kwanton]

Aage, you still have a vote on BuJaber from your previous incarnation. While it would be reasonable from me to make an exception, it would also probably cause someone to have a tantrum about me playing favorites. Also, I hope you got your cheat sheet from the second attempt, PM system sucks. Go get them, tiger!

Is it just me or "Go get them" sounds like "Go catch them" ? Aage is a trainer? Good to know.

Mandy you should really stop with unnecessary comments, the setup itself is bastard enough.

I think you're reading too much into it. Mandy likes flavor text to make things interesting. They usually don't have any bearing on the game.

[mandalorian2298]

If we are going to replace people based on "omg I don't like you" then half a dozen of you would be gone by now.

Favourite statement of the game so far

QFT

mitch is just being careless as usual. We Wild Pokemon were told how many types there were (i.e. Fire), but mitch interpreted that to mean that there were only five Wild Pokemon. I actually made the same mistake when I first read my role PM.

You didn't have to say it. Exile had not yet confirmed he knew that. And that info was not in the win condition section so it is possible it wasn't in what Mandy sent him.

It had nothing to do with Exile, I was trying to stop mitch from getting lynched for a stupid reason. And besides, Skittles confirmed it too.

Stop posting. You quit the game.

No, I'll be a good citizen and continue to post until I am replaced. I am not quitting because I want to, I am quitting because I was asked to.

Mets: I have no clue what's going on here or who asked you to quit, so I'll try to present my opinion simply:

1) I was annoyed by your post, and I gathered that you have been annoyed by mine. That's OK. That's why mankind invented name-calling, you ****** ****** **************! [EDIT] **** ************** ***** ****! [2nd EDIT] ******* **** ***********? [3rd EDIT] Curse your profanity filters, CC!

2) I didn't ask you to quit and I am the law. If you WANT to quit, it is your right, but if anyone else is forcing you to quit you are not obliged to heed them (as Skoffin pointed out in the top quote).

As for the way you express yourself, it's your way and it's your right, just as it's Anark's or Wing's or anyone elses. The true beauty of diversity is not that everyone has the right to say the things we like: it is that people have the right to piss us off and that we can learn and grow by dealing with it. Mishuk gotal'u meshuroke, pako kyore.

Now, if you still want to be replaced, please PM me.

[nagerous]

Interesting how Minister Masket voted dakky. This seems to suggest that this is not how the mechanic works. With the amount of wild Pokemon claims going around and also comments about starter Pokemon it could easily be scum that recruited dakky as much as it is town.

I was theorising based on what we know that Ash would start with Pikachu (electric), Brock with geodude (ground) and misty staryu (water)

Gary doesn't have a Pokemon in particular in the anime and Team rockets Pokemon are poison ones and I am not convinced poison Pokemon in the game so they could have easily recruited dakky from the wild Pokemon.

This also from the guy who didn't seem 100% at first in regards to believing Tim's claim. I feel you would have known this.

[nagerous]

:|

There are those of us who were trainer hunting from the beginning, me included... That is why I have not posted since Friday... Because these other arguments have been ridiculous until mets decided he should be a complete cunt.

[color=#FF0000] So you are saying because no one was talking about what you wanted to talk about, instead of trying to force your input on in anyway, you decided to be weaksauce and just walk off for a few days? Is this what you plan to do throughout the game? Pls, don't be such a vagina.

This coming from a person who MAYBE posts once a day? At least I admit to it... And I still keep up with th thread... Wow, another hypocrite. Put more into the game if you think you deserve to be up on that soapbox...



@exile
I was never told the types of pokemon... Only what I was... I have no idea how many types there are or what they are... So I agree with you there.

You were not told the other types of Pokemon, only what you are?

Did I read that right?

Is that you Meowth?

[strike wolf]

Interesting how Minister Masket voted dakky. This seems to suggest that this is not how the mechanic works. With the amount of wild Pokemon claims going around and also comments about starter Pokemon it could easily be scum that recruited dakky as much as it is town.

I was theorising based on what we know that Ash would start with Pikachu (electric), Brock with geodude (ground) and misty staryu (water)

Gary doesn't have a Pokemon in particular in the anime and Team rockets Pokemon are poison ones and I am not convinced poison Pokemon in the game so they could have easily recruited dakky from the wild Pokemon.

This also from the guy who didn't seem 100% at first in regards to believing Tim's claim. I feel you would have known this.

If your theory is correct, I would like masket to elaborate on this. I admit it sounds very strange to me that someone would be given a role pm for one thing and then told that they were now recruited before the game actually began.

Lynching mitch under the idea that he is a team rocket recruited pokemon is the same as Lynching any other cult recruit. It makes sense as a back up lynch but we should at least discuss who are the possible cult recruiters before aiming at the recruits as Lynching recruits only delays the inevitable.

fos Nark. Seems you are the only wild pokemon not to know about the other types.

[nagerous]

Interesting how Minister Masket voted dakky. This seems to suggest that this is not how the mechanic works. With the amount of wild Pokemon claims going around and also comments about starter Pokemon it could easily be scum that recruited dakky as much as it is town.

I was theorising based on what we know that Ash would start with Pikachu (electric), Brock with geodude (ground) and misty staryu (water)

Gary doesn't have a Pokemon in particular in the anime and Team rockets Pokemon are poison ones and I am not convinced poison Pokemon in the game so they could have easily recruited dakky from the wild Pokemon.

This also from the guy who didn't seem 100% at first in regards to believing Tim's claim. I feel you would have known this.

If your theory is correct, I would like masket to elaborate on this. I admit it sounds very strange to me that someone would be given a role pm for one thing and then told that they were now recruited before the game actually began.

Lynching mitch under the idea that he is a team rocket recruited pokemon is the same as Lynching any other cult recruit. It makes sense as a back up lynch but we should at least discuss who are the possible cult recruiters before aiming at the recruits as Lynching recruits only delays the inevitable.

fos Nark. Seems you are the only wild pokemon not to know about the other types.

Whilst I am spouting accusations out there I am starting to think dakky might be Gary's starter Pokemon choice, just the way Masket voted immediately gives me the impression this isn't a generic trainer mechanic..

However I couldn't give two shits about Gary even if he has some other win cons thrown out there involving trainers. The goal is to catch team rocket so I would like to hear from Nark for saying he was never told the types of Pokemon.

Most of us know about at least five types but I am going to guess there is another type out there who doesn't play to the same roles out there and may not know about the strengths and weaknesses of each type, the normal type..

[kwanton]

You didn't have to say it. Exile had not yet confirmed he knew that. And that info was not in the win condition section so it is possible it wasn't in what Mandy sent him.

I knew it, I was just trying not to give away all the info I had in my PM straight off in day 1 . But here we are spelling out literally everything so I expect tonight to be an orgiastic festival of pokemon death and/or catching. I will say that I don't know if I've been told all the pokemon types or not, however, as I believe mitch alluded to earlier.

That is not what mitch was referring to. Mitch made a mistake and thought that his PM meant that there were only X wild pokemon in the game, not X types of wild pokemon. He was just saying he doesn't know how many wild pokemon are in the game.

Also, we can infer from Dakky's claim and the way that Mandy worded the role PM that X is the total number of types of pokemon in the game. If we take Dakky's claim to be true, then trainers don't get a pokemon automatically, but on night 0 they were able to choose one as their starter. This means every pokemon in the game started off as wild and some got "captured". The only unknown factor would be Meowth since he technically was neither wild nor owned in the show.

In his PM, I believe Mandy made it unquestionably clear that X is the number of wild pokemon. The fact that you said you don't know that makes me very suspicious.

Then we have Nark who said he wasn't told anything. My original assumption was that ALL players would have been told the number of types of wild pokemon since that is such a central mechanic to the game. But it seems like that is not the case.

My guess: Nark and Exile are trainers of unknown alignment.

[The1exile]

You didn't have to say it. Exile had not yet confirmed he knew that. And that info was not in the win condition section so it is possible it wasn't in what Mandy sent him.

In his PM, I believe Mandy made it unquestionably clear that X is the number of wild pokemon. The fact that you said you don't know that makes me very suspicious.

I'm an idiot. I see what you mean now. I still don't see why it precludes you cl;aiming another pokemon of the listed types, however. Also, if trainers already have a pokemon (the prevailing theory I believe) then they presumably already have this info, although i suppose maybe they can't talk yet.

[Anarkistsdream]

Then we have Nark who said he wasn't told anything. My original assumption was that ALL players would have been told the number of types of wild pokemon since that is such a central mechanic to the game. But it seems like that is not the case.

My guess: Nark and Exile are trainers of unknown alignment.

I never said I was not told ANYTHING. I said I didn't know how many other types of Pokemon there were... I know what I am strong and weak against... I know I am weak against two and strong against two types... But, does that mean that there are only five types? That was not directly written in my PM...

I am certainly not a trainer... And no, I am not Meowth... -------- I just posted a really awesome hint, but decided to delete it because too many of you know about Pokemon and I have no desire to be killed on Night One... Though, any of us are dead if enough of the other players attack us.

Which actually brings up a good point... We have the option of not only lynching someone, but having enough players band together to attack another target at night, essentially making it two kills per cycle... While that would most likely not work due to trainer powers and liars, it is at least something to consider...

This day is dragging on SO LONG.... A consensus must be made soon so that we can progress the game... Only so much can be learned on Day 1 and I, for one, would like to see the results.

Mandy, I also see you have Marashu down twice in your VC... He has two votes on him, if that is correct... Ragian and Bu...