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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Skoffin on Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:15 pm

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Ehhhh? He wasn't even half way on votes yet and he was on par with masket and mitch at the time. To add to that it was less his roleclaim and more his outright shitty attitude about it. "Im this role hahaha thats what you get for voting me! Modkill kthx"
Sorry but he showed a lack of respect for this game, the mod and the pkayers. The only way this could be forgiven is if he actuslly is scum and he used it as sone strategy to make everyone back off.

To me your posts reads of using benefit of hindsight to throw shade at those that disapprove of tims actions
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby The1exile on Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:17 pm

The1exile wrote:but it should be trivial to invent a pokemon name of an alternative, preferably without type advantage, so I'm not sure it holds up completely. Maybe we will get word of mod though.


There is a reason why this would not be trivial. The fact that you don't know why makes me think you are a skimmer or suspicious.

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Enlighten me? Because I don't think I've skimmed much but I can't see anything other than Mandy's statement that if someone role claims they are probably dead or lying.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby kwanton on Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:21 pm

The reason I say I suspect you of skimming is because I would imagine this is information which every player was informed of. Just by nature, it seems like a very important mechanic. I'm not saying what that reason is, just in case I'm wrong and not everyone knows about it.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Skoffin on Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:27 pm

Something I just thought to mention in regard to Tim:

We are all quick to agree he must be town because of what he revealed regarding pokemon, but this may be in haste. The only thing he has confirmed is that he is in fact a pokemon, but not necessarily a wild one. Once again I will point out that Team Rocket will have both trainers and pokemon. Likely Team Rocket Trainers and town trainers have similar roles/actions, just as Team Rocket pokemon and town pokemon will have similar role PMs/actions.
Interesting about his Vulpix claim though. There is a famous Vulpix owned by Brock, a very well known and popular character, so it seems strange to me that a Vulpix would be 'wild' and not assigned to Brock.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby strike wolf on Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:18 pm

Tim also stated the win condition for wild pokemon. Wing and the others currently on his list of pokemon prove this by their non-counter of Tim.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Skittles! on Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:32 pm

Fircoal wrote:This is what I mean by being wishy washy. This doesn't look like debate for the sake of trying to find out what's up. It looks like someone who doesn't want to take a stance on what's happening. Even if you don't want to vote someone for bandwagon reasons can't you at least tell us who is the scummiest in your eye currently?

I was going to do this a few pages back but Tim decided to drop the ball. I'm mostly suss about Serbia, Talapus, exile, and in just on the last page, Skoffin. Skoffin I know is a very good player that know how's to deflect attention away from herself and even to deflect attention away from her allies, she's flown UTR the whole game while the majority of other players have had some sort of scrutiny on them (myself included).

With this last post -
Skoffin wrote:Something I just thought to mention in regard to Tim:

We are all quick to agree he must be town because of what he revealed regarding pokemon, but this may be in haste. The only thing he has confirmed is that he is in fact a pokemon, but not necessarily a wild one. Once again I will point out that Team Rocket will have both trainers and pokemon. Likely Team Rocket Trainers and town trainers have similar roles/actions, just as Team Rocket pokemon and town pokemon will have similar role PMs/actions.
Interesting about his Vulpix claim though. There is a famous Vulpix owned by Brock, a very well known and popular character, so it seems strange to me that a Vulpix would be 'wild' and not assigned to Brock.

See how she has tried to deflect attention back onto Tim, who has come out as a survivor. With Wing and Nark also banding up to protect him, it's unlikely that many people will be willing to try and go after Tim again. Especially as those two players have been pretty distasteful and pretty assholish the whole game as well.

I've always been suspicious on Serbia and Tal and I want to hear from them more before placing votes on them, but they are really riding the back seat and watching where things go before chipping in. I think it's a big scum tell, but I'm more interested in Skoffin right now. I may run from her IRL, but this game I'll be going towards her or some shit (lol). Just a massive FOS to her.


WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:TWao, Skittles and Fircoal appear banded together imo


I wanna know how you get this? I understand how you think TWO and I are connected but I'm interested to see how you think Fircoal is part of it as well. To me he has been flying under the radar as well, just not as successfully as Skof.

Wild Pokemon are survivors and don't need to band together to survive, but it's interesting that this is what is happening. While they need to take our Team Rocket, I'm concerned as to why they are trying to go after trainers as well, esp if the trainers are town. Town needs to win for the survivors to win. Furthermore, I think it's bad that now every player knows how wild Pokemon roles work, but those Pokemon don't know how other players work. This rly puts them at a disadvantage and why I don't agree with Wing making up a constant list.

kwanton wrote:The reason I say I suspect you of skimming is because I would imagine this is information which every player was informed of. Just by nature, it seems like a very important mechanic. I'm not saying what that reason is, just in case I'm wrong and not everyone knows about it.

I'm agreeing with Kwan here, that was a huge slip up by Exile. Previously he has gone after trainers (why?) and now he doesn't understand the type advantage of night work for Pokemon. This leads me to believe he definitely isn't a Pokemon, he isn't a trainer, maybe he could be another town role, but I'm willing to bet he is a scum. vote: Exile.

Just a side note: Nark and Wing, if you could stop being such awful distasteful players that would be great. It's a game, try and have a little fun and don't belittle ot bully other players.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:24 am

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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Skittles! on Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:34 am

Good for you. Now that you've established a 'fact list', wanna contribute more to the discussion? For all I know, you could be latching on to Tim's role claim and having your scum buddies join you and using him as a pawn. I don't think this is the case however, so that's why I'm moving on to try and figure out who Team Rocket are and how we can win this game (and god forbid go to the next day).
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby dakky21 on Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:36 am

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:My opinion on TWO, Skittles and Fircoal is an opinion. My non scum list is fact.


I really don't see why that is a fact and I already asked why that is a fact. Please enlighten us, because scum readings like this without explanation can lead to only one assumption... that you're protecting or covering them and that is not good. Just explain yourself and/or write your reasons please.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:45 am

Skittles! wrote: I don't think this is the case however, so that's why I'm moving on to try and figure out who Team Rocket are and how we can win this game (and god forbid go to the next day).


Finally.

The majority believe that I am telling the truth, so there is no perogative or incebtive for me to elaborate.

Indeed as I have said to Legionairre, there is limited incentive for me to scumhunt strongly. So dont sit about waiting for me to do so.

If you guys stop asking me for information, I will stop with the sarcastic posting. Its very simple.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Skittles! on Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:18 am

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:
Skittles! wrote: I don't think this is the case however, so that's why I'm moving on to try and figure out who Team Rocket are and how we can win this game (and god forbid go to the next day).


Finally.

The majority believe that I am telling the truth, so there is no perogative or incebtive for me to elaborate.

Indeed as I have said to Legionairre, there is limited incentive for me to scumhunt strongly. So dont sit about waiting for me to do so.

If you guys stop asking me for information, I will stop with the sarcastic posting. Its very simple.

Wow you just made this way too easy. I went back a few pages and tried to find this reasoning, it really came down to 'just reasons, don't question it." Which then got me thinking as to why you've been so proactive about Doom and BuJ being town for the past 10 or so pages, even going to tell Nark and Doom to shut up at one point cause you were afraid they were going to leak too much. Which, in the end, they did.

DoomYoshi wrote:kwanton, you are one dangerous mofo right now. "Outlasting Team Rocket" isn't a 3rd party survivor win condition. That is the definition of a town win condition. Now that you have planted that bullshit idea in the thread, it will be hard to dissipate. 3rd party survivor wins whether Team Rocket or Town wins.

This quote here actually contradicts what Tim said earlier -

TimWoodbury wrote:PS my win con was to live till the end and outlast team rocket... i was was testing dakky to see if he would skum slip and show he was team ocket.

Read again what Tim said. 'Outlast Team Rocket'. Now, if Wing, Doom, Nark and BuJ were actually wild Pokemon they would have the same win condition as this. Because I have this (I'll be crucified for saying this but whatever) - I am a wild pokemon and word to word that is my win condition.

Looks like Wing's list is just what I thought it was - scum buddies budding up to a wild Pokemon and trying to claim they have all the same win conditions. Wing you have been trying to wiggle out of being analysed and refusing to answer questions constantly, now I know why.

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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Skittles! on Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:20 am

It also explains why almost instantly when TWO made a reasonable vote on you that you and your buddies immediately freaked out and voted back, trying to intimidate us to back down.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Skoffin on Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:33 am

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Skittles -

Yeah I'm trying hard to 'fly under the radar' wheni probably have posted more that two thirds of the posters in thid game. Looool so much effort to not be noticed

For stating i am a 'good plsyer' you seem to be suggesting that i am a scum who, at a time when it would have been easiest to get votes on tim, i came out to say I didn't think he was svum and at a time when it eould be hardest to get votes on him i would then try to get a target on him? That's a pretty retarded plan and conflicts with your point of using I'm 'a good player' against me.
I don't think tim is team rocket, but considering vulpix is a well known pokemon and brovk is a well known character, and vullpix is a rare pokemon to find in the wild, it seemed an odd choice to maje vulpix a wild pokemon in this game
In any case, tim is a liabiloty for any side hevis on and i think we can all agree thst he id nothing but a benegit to scum. I think anyone thst can attack should just go for him and use him as xp fodder.
Out of interest, who are my allues that i am apparently deflecting from?

As for doom, i don't yjink he is svummy. If anything i judt think maybe he thought the word was ambiguous, or maybe there are wild pokemon thst got different or individual win cons.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby BuJaber on Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:22 am

Skittles... please read back through the last few pages, because you're not helping anyone. I don't know a lot... but I know that for Wing to jump straight into backing up Tim like that he HAS to be a wild pokemon too, which means that Tim is too. (If they are both scum then Wing would probably just bite the bullet and let Tim fall and sacrifice a buddy. Scum do that all the time). You claiming wild pokemon then voting for wing doesn't make a lot of sense to me, so could you explain that to me please? Because you two should be agreeing if you are telling us the truth.

Skoffin -- I'm very afraid of jumping to conclusions, because Tim is polarizing the players into 2 camps that vaguely know who their allies are but they could be misled. Currently only scum are benefiting, and I don't like it. However, I don't see why you haven't reached the same conclusion as I did and believed both Tim and Wing. That to me is scummy. As for MM -- yes that was exactly my reasoning, and to me it makes sense for a game of this size; most day 1's end in mislynches, I'd rather that mislynch wasn't in vain. So if MM would flip town I'd rather it meant something. And we'd have time to make up for it. If you think that is a bad strategy then fair enough, I just genuinenly think it works, because I've seen it work. Aage won a game as town by doing that so wonderfully. HOWEVER, I've since moved on multiple times because we have some better targets who are more likely to be scum than not.(Exile, TWO, new guy, mitch...) I feel like you might also be scum, but I'm not so sure about you yet. I'm also on the fence about aage.

Wing is an ally to town. If you're not seeing this you are hurting us. So please let's band together and figure out who the scum are instead of focusing on 3rd party. Thank you strike wolf for seeing this.

Mandy hasn't been able to check up on the game --- I asked for Tim to be modkilled, but he didn't actually do anything that is against your rules, which is rather disappointing.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby BuJaber on Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:35 am

More thoughts before I forget them

I feel that nag's latest posts aren't particularly scummy.. just someone voicing their opinions and questions... so while the aggression seemed to have come out of nowhere... I can see Wing having that effect on people lol. So as far as I'm concerned nag is neutral right now.

Legionnaire and samlen are a bit suspicious though. And now dakky is too. They're not picking up on the subtle clues which makes me think their role PM's weren't very innocent.

Doom's statement about either you have townie trainer cult or you have townie pokemon is interesting, and nag is saying it can be both. Doom in your scenario, would you say scum have recruiting ability too? Because if there are two cult-like factions but only one of them was informed (knew each other from PM) then that would be completely unbalanced. This is very important because of the wild pokemon claims that are coming up.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - 1 sub needed

Postby mandalorian2298 on Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:49 am

Vote count:

kwanton (3) - kwanton, Strike, Hotshot

Strike wolf (1) - Mets

Tim (1) - new guy,

Wing (2) - TWO, Skittles

Minister Masket (2)- Yoshi, Talapus,

BuJaber (1) - Aage (as spurgistan)

Mitch (3) - dakky, legionnare, Samlen

Exile (1) - Masket,

Marashu (1) - Ragian

Talapus (1) - Skoffin

Anark (1) - Tim

Serbia (1) - Fircoal

The Weird One (5) - Wing, BuJaber, Anark, Mitch, Tim

Mitch (1) - Exile

26 alive, 14 to lynch
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby mandalorian2298 on Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:00 am

nagerous wrote:Please do not quote role PMs or win conditions even in paraphrasing format.

It is a massive no-no and can get you blacklisted from future games


While you are absolutely right about role quoting being usually being against Mafia etiquette, I explicitly allow it in the rules (just as I have in NJO).

I do this because I'm frankly to lazy to investigate every post searching for possible quotes. Also, given how long roles were in this game, randomizing the wording in each one would have been a chore. Finally, in the olden days of NJO, many people (myself included) were obsessed with the attempting to play the Mod and not the game, so when I modded I did my best to anticipate all the ways in which I would try to exploit the game mechanics if I were a player.

To summerize: I made sure that quoting posts is a) useless in terms of it being a winning strategy and b) suicidal if it reveals your role. Anyone who want's to test the quality of my work is welcome to try. :twisted:
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Skittles! on Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:04 am

BuJaber wrote:Skittles... please read back through the last few pages, because you're not helping anyone. I don't know a lot... but I know that for Wing to jump straight into backing up Tim like that he HAS to be a wild pokemon too, which means that Tim is too. (If they are both scum then Wing would probably just bite the bullet and let Tim fall and sacrifice a buddy. Scum do that all the time). You claiming wild pokemon then voting for wing doesn't make a lot of sense to me, so could you explain that to me please? Because you two should be agreeing if you are telling usthe truth.

Wing is an ally to town. If you're not seeing this you are hurting us. So please let's band together and figure out who the scum are instead of focusing on 3rd party. Thank you strike wolf for seeing this.

It doesn't mean he has to be. Tim is a survivor role, it doesn't matter to anyone if he is lynched. For Wing to jump onto role claiming as well straight after is a way to tactfully place himself in the spotlight and make sure town passes over him. As Kwanton said a few pages ago, lynching survivors has no point and benefits no one, and their role in the game itself is pretty poor. Mandy has been kind enough to change some mechanics with how survivors work in this game to give us something to do at night - as Tim has already explained.

Wing doesn't fit into my end game. If he is a survivor as well, it doesn't matter if he lives or dies to me. As a wild Pokemon, I am only concerned about my own position and the towns position, and to defeat team rocket. That Wing has said he is not interested in finding scum tells me that he is scum himself, because if he is truly a wild Pokemon as well then he would definitely know that Team Rocket has to be lynched to win the game.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Skittles! on Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:06 am

Also, I am not going to reveal what Pokemon I actually am because I do not want the types that I am weak against to target me. Even if that is the case, I will be defending myself during the night in order to continue being helpful for the town and trying to pinpoint who is the mafia.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby legionnare on Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:19 am

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Skittles! wrote: I don't think this is the case however, so that's why I'm moving on to try and figure out who Team Rocket are and how we can win this game (and god forbid go to the next day).


Finally.

The majority believe that I am telling the truth, so there is no perogative or incebtive for me to elaborate.

Indeed as I have said to Legionairre, there is limited incentive for me to scumhunt strongly. So dont sit about waiting for me to do so.

If you guys stop asking me for information, I will stop with the sarcastic posting. Its very simple.

No the majority don't think you are telling the truth, if you actually read the posts they are wanting you to elaborate. So you are saying that you don't think you need hunt for scum to win the game?
See the reason people are asking you for information isn't wholly because they want you scumhunting (why would they? You have such a bad judgement of players) it's because you seem to think your posts are influencing the game (which they're not btw).
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The above quote both highlights you thinking that you have influence with your posts and the bold part is a very sly attempt at role fishing. Big 'ol FOS on you wing.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby legionnare on Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:23 am

strike wolf wrote:Tim also stated the win condition for wild pokemon. Wing and the others currently on his list of pokemon prove this by their non-counter of Tim.

This is an unusually short and vague post for you Stike, what exactly would they counter claim about his role claim?
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby legionnare on Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:25 am

Skittles! wrote:Wow you just made this way too easy. I went back a few pages and tried to find this reasoning, it really came down to 'just reasons, don't question it." Which then got me thinking as to why you've been so proactive about Doom and BuJ being town for the past 10 or so pages, even going to tell Nark and Doom to shut up at one point cause you were afraid they were going to leak too much. Which, in the end, they did.

DoomYoshi wrote:kwanton, you are one dangerous mofo right now. "Outlasting Team Rocket" isn't a 3rd party survivor win condition. That is the definition of a town win condition. Now that you have planted that bullshit idea in the thread, it will be hard to dissipate. 3rd party survivor wins whether Team Rocket or Town wins.

This quote here actually contradicts what Tim said earlier -

TimWoodbury wrote:PS my win con was to live till the end and outlast team rocket... i was was testing dakky to see if he would skum slip and show he was team ocket.

Read again what Tim said. 'Outlast Team Rocket'. Now, if Wing, Doom, Nark and BuJ were actually wild Pokemon they would have the same win condition as this. Because I have this (I'll be crucified for saying this but whatever) - I am a wild pokemon and word to word that is my win condition.

Looks like Wing's list is just what I thought it was - scum buddies budding up to a wild Pokemon and trying to claim they have all the same win conditions. Wing you have been trying to wiggle out of being analysed and refusing to answer questions constantly, now I know why.

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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby legionnare on Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:37 am

BuJaber wrote:Skittles... please read back through the last few pages, because you're not helping anyone. I don't know a lot... but I know that for Wing to jump straight into backing up Tim like that he HAS to be a wild pokemon too, which means that Tim is too. (If they are both scum then Wing would probably just bite the bullet and let Tim fall and sacrifice a buddy. Scum do that all the time). You claiming wild pokemon then voting for wing doesn't make a lot of sense to me, so could you explain that to me please? Because you two should be agreeing if you are telling us the truth.

BuJaber....please read back what Skittles posted about Doom, he has a very good point, and by association Wing is implicated as well.
BuJaber wrote:Wing is an ally to town. If you're not seeing this you are hurting us. So please let's band together and figure out who the scum are instead of focusing on 3rd party. Thank you strike wolf for seeing this.

This is as well, is just plain bad, show me proof that Wing is an ally and I'll back down. "If you're not seeing this you are hurting us." again with the "if you are not with us then are against us" weak ass thinking, then saying we should band together, what we should just blindly trust Wing and his wee pals? Don't think so. Also if you weren't skimming you would have noticed that your buddy Wing is not interested in hunting scum.

And then there's this:
BuJaber wrote:Legionnaire and samlen are a bit suspicious though. And now dakky is too. They're not picking up on the subtle clues which makes me think their role PM's weren't very innocent.

I'm really struggling to see the logic here, so because we can't see some supposed subtle clues that makes us scum? Smells to me like a very poor effort to throw suspicion elsewhere. See instead you could lead the way in "banding together" as you said before providing the information that is so well hidden that only a select few seem to know where to look.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby legionnare on Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:42 am

Also before I forget, I'm just going to highlight this part of a post from Wing as an insurance policy against my death:
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:I dont care about your life in this game. I am actively setting you up to be nightkilled by others tonight.



As much as I am going hard at Wing now, my vote stays on Mitch until he answers my questions.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:14 am

BuJaber wrote:More thoughts before I forget them

I feel that nag's latest posts aren't particularly scummy.. just someone voicing their opinions and questions... so while the aggression seemed to have come out of nowhere... I can see Wing having that effect on people lol. So as far as I'm concerned nag is neutral right now.

Legionnaire and samlen are a bit suspicious though. And now dakky is too. They're not picking up on the subtle clues which makes me think their role PM's weren't very innocent.

Doom's statement about either you have townie trainer cult or you have townie pokemon is interesting, and nag is saying it can be both. Doom in your scenario, would you say scum have recruiting ability too? Because if there are two cult-like factions but only one of them was informed (knew each other from PM) then that would be completely unbalanced. This is very important because of the wild pokemon claims that are coming up.


First, read the rules. The second rule says that Tim won't be modkilled.

To answer your question: obviously yes. Any claimed third party are basically hoping to jump on one of the random cult wagons (probably town/cult/mafia). That makes a 2/3 chance when hitting trainers to get scum. That is why Masket is the only D1 wagon that makes sense. Tomorrow, all bets are off on Wing's list.
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