Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[Metsfanmax]

Upon re-reading the rules, it's super apparent that Trainers are cult-like roles with power over either 1 or maybe even more Pokemon.

No. No it's not. That rule #4 could easily be read as a joke by the mod with no real game information given out (and I think that's how it was intended, even if it is true that trainers control Pokemon).

This concerns me, as it's known that trainers just want to kill other trainers,

No. No it's not known. As far as I can tell Samlen is the one who originated this theory and has pushed it a couple times but there's no reason to treat it as fact.

Also seriously guys he already asked you to stop fucking up his name. It's not Samlet or Samlem.

and if we don't know what their recruiting capabilities are, it could hurt the town.

If they even have recruiting capabilities. Seriously, how the hell did you read cult recruiter into the game description?

However, I do think they are more town friendly than the mafia are. But if you aren't pro-town in the start then you're against town.

These two statements are quite contradictory. And if they are cult recruiters then they're not any more town friendly than mafia are.

[BuJaber]

Wing & Anark -- I'm laying off. But it wasn't Anark said in his post that did it. It was what you both posted after. I'll explain at a later time if I think it is necessary.

Updated candidates:

MM - Yes his posts seems innocent. The best scum are the best actors. So let's not let tone dictate how we look at the post contents. His lynch should provide the most answers. That is why I am now even happier leaving my vote on him. It is a longer-term strategy vote. However, if another person becomes more than just "could or could not be scum" then we should change to them. There are some people who we could assume, at least for now, that they are NOT scum. MM doesn't fit this category, so he's a decent lynch.

Tim - Maybe it was just the way new guy explained it, but hearing the argument against him again has made him seem very scummy to me. It is much more likely that Tim is Team Rocket because he asked about them, rather than any other explanation involving him being naive or a townie setting a trap. If you guys are not convinced by my vote MM strategy, then I'd happily vote Tim.

Kwanton - A sense of humor is great to have. And this is my first game with you and I already like you. However, answering my question by Unvoting yourself then revoting yourself? Sorry -- I can't see any logical reason a townie would do that. At least not a townie that cares about the game.

Skittles and Doom - They seem to like deducing conclusions about the game structure. Having them around is creating some interesting discussions, so I'd rather keep them for now. But they are worth noting, because I don't like the ease in which they're forming these conclusions. Nonetheless, my gut tells me Doom is town. I haven't played with Skittles, so I'm neutral about his style, and don't have a firm read either way.

Dakky - Healthy level of skepticism he's showing, but based on previous experiences, less talking, less sticking his neck out with his opinions, less voting activity in general. Maybe it's just the size of the game, which is overwhelming I admit, but worth noting.

[mandalorian2298]

Vote count:

spurgistan (1) - Tim

kwanton (1) - kwanton, Strike

Strike wolf (1) - Mets

Tim (3) - new guy, Wing, Serbia

Fircoal (1) - Skoffin

Wing (1) - TWO

Minister Masket (6)- madmitch, Yoshi, Anark, Exile,Talapus, BuJaber

BuJaber (1) - spurgistan

Mitch (5) - Nagerous, Fircoal, dakky, legionnare, Samlen

Exile (1) - Masket

Samlen (1) - Ragian

26 alive, 14 to lynch

FIXED the mistake with Fircoal's vote in the last VC

EDIT FIXED Ragians second vote. Game is big

[Ragian]

What Samlen added bottom p. 12 doesn't really do anything either. Still peaks my scumdar. Nothing added yet. Wing agrees here.

My quote that "doesn't really do anything either" at the bottom of p.12 was mentioning how in the day 1 post Mandy mentions that each of the trainers start off with a starter pokemon.
Anark just pointed out Doom seems to be a pokemon that knows his trainer, which just proves my theory correct. If we were to go back through this day, we could possibly find other pokemon/trainer pairings since Doom has kindly let us know that said starter pokemon DO know their trainer today.

Reread it. I don't see how that makes me able to sniff out who's bad and who's good. You're saying, I hope, that all trainer/pokemon pairs are out to kill off each other because the D1 post says that Professor Oak has "supplied a few kids with a Pokedex and a starting pokemon, and released them into the Kanto region to find and defeat each other. The last one of them to survive will be crowned the Champion," right? The same posts mentions an unknown assailant. I'd much rather look for him. Feel free to enlighten me further, though (no sarcasm involved).

I also reread the stuff about your vote on Mitch. Thanks for highlighting that bit. Apparently, I was snowblind and I apologise. unvote

People are now pointing towards Kwanton who seems to be posting without adding anything of real substance and only voting himself. That hadn't really dawned on me at this point. FOS. In that same vein, I don't get why BuJ keeps voting for MM. Surely, an actor would not slip up at all?

Now, back to Marashu: Apparently, he war 3rd party last game. This game, I get a similar vibe from him. To me, it seems that he limits his posts to flavour discussion and necessary comments on already revealed back-and-forths between the players rather than contributing and voting. For that, I'll vote Marashu

@Mandy, cheers for letting me have two votes, but I unvoted Wing ages ago

[Skoffin]

Still not getting the case on Masket, and the fact that so many people are willing to go for such a flimsy case tells me there are sketchy people on that wagon already. At worst Masket 'slipped' that he is a trainer; I don't think he is some idiot scum that purposely slipped that he is a trainer in hopes that people would be convinced he was a townie that dropped his role. I do, however, think he is a dumb townie that didn't realise his wording revealed what role he might have. Anyone on this lynch is either scum hoping to coast through the day before they take too much notice, or they have some win condition that involves taking out trainers.

Of those voting for Masket right now, the most suspicious to me are Tal and Mitch. I've already stated why on Mitch, and he is still posting many words that say little to nothing. Tal gets some suspicion for his post on Masket that I responded to before. Tal is a good player, and his argument on masket was pretty weak and read a lot into Masket that Masket didn't say. I don't know how he managed to twist what Masket said so far, and since mitch has enough pressure for the moment unvote vote Talapus

I'll throw legion and hotshot on the list for now too, for previously stated reasons.

@skoffin, totally knew you are a girl. You were in the HP mafia, right?

I don't know, I might have been? I don't remember all the games I was in.

[legionnare]

Haha you are the joke, Anark has been playing mafia here for nearly 10 years

What does it matter how long someone has played for? I've been playing WoW for just as long, doesn't mean I'm any good. The measure of someone's ability is there content within the current discussion as each game is new and unique, experience only really comes in handy when you have a good knowledge on someones meta, so how about Anark sharing his opinion on the meta play of each player he has experience of?

[legionnare]

Now, it's possible that the trainers are the town but since in pokemon there are always way less trainers than pokemon (duh) i'm sticking by my theory that pokemon or other npcs are the town and the various trainers are cult-type entitities. With that in mind, thinking that MM is a trainer and that trainers are bad, I'm going to Vote:Minister Masket.

I don't see the logic of this, surely in the canon of Pokemon trainers are inherently neutral, with polarising extremes in Team Rocket and Ash and co.?

[legionnare]

@Wing, care to qualify your case on Tim? I'm not seeing anything particularly scummy.

FP'd by Skoffin

This post interested me, partly as it was during a chain of Legion showing how productive he is being while using a lot of words while at the same time not really adding anything to the discussion. This quote stood out more as to the fact that apparently it took more than 9 minutes to write despite being so brief. The problem I have is that all it does is mention Tim and wanting clarification, which is essentially what I had just posted already.I'll be honest, I don't get why so many people are bothering with the "FP'd by.." nonsense. Personally I see no purpose for it unless a slew of posts have suddenly cropped up that might make your post redundant, such as a whole page of posts. Seeing the FP bit after a single post looks like it has just been added to make it look like you had an idea before someone else did.

It took a 9 minutes as I had multiple screens open, one ready to type thoughts into (which eventually turns into the post), one to look at a specific players posts using the search function and one open on thread so I can see where a post sits it thread as a whole. It took me that long to look through Wing's posts and the post that resulted was all that really interested me about Wing's posts.
As for FP'd you explain the reasoning yourself (see bold).

[Ragian]

I do the same thing.

[Skoffin]

Was it really necessary to comment on the Nag post in regards to wing/anark? That is clearly not game related and just snark between players, snark that has since subsided and been let go. There wasn't really any reason to bring it back up - unless you just want to inflate your posts in this game. Speaking of, is there a reason you keep splitting your posts apart instead of just putting it all in one post? So far nearly all of your posts have appeared to be nothing substantial and merely padding your activity in this game.
Your quoting of my post there doesn't hold water - my post before yours in that circumstance did not make yours redundant, it just appeared similar. Which means the second part of my view fits there " looks like it was just added tom make it look like you had an idea before someone else".

[legionnare]

experience only really comes in handy when you have a good knowledge on someones meta, so how about Anark sharing his opinion on the meta play of each player he has experience of?

That's why Skoffin, if Anark is so experience and has reliable knowledge of other players then why not use that knowledge to benefit the good?

As for multiple posts, as I already said to you in my post I look through specific posts and comment on them in a post to themself, I don't like long rambling posts with multiple topics. I prefer each of my posts to be about one person or topic to avoid confusion.

[legionnare]

So far nearly all of your posts have appeared to be nothing substantial and merely padding your activity in this game.

@Skoffin, Ragian disagrees

unvote...ugh...had forgotten Legionnare's vote on madmitch. That actually made sense.

For the sake of it why don't you give your opinion on the content of each my posts and we can have a wee discussion on what is worthwhile or not?

[Skoffin]

So is your asking of Nark to post his views on everyone's meta just to be cheeky, or are you legitimately asking him to do so? If the latter, I'm sure you know that that would be a complete waste of time as there is no need to give an expose on someone's meta unless it happens to become relevant at the time. Furthermore, no two people may have the same opinions on what someone elses meta may be, and they may be inaccurate assessments entirely. Some meta may be concrete while other meta may be based on perception. This is a whole exercise in looking like probing for useful town information while actually wasting time and not building meaningful cases on actual evidence already in the game. Ie a whole lot of words but a whole lot of nothing

You may continue splitting posts if you like if that is what you prefer, however since I don't happen to know your own meta, I for now will continue to find it suspiciously looking like padding your activity in here.

[Skittles!]

Upon re-reading the rules, it's super apparent that Trainers are cult-like roles with power over either 1 or maybe even more Pokemon.

No. No it's not. That rule #4 could easily be read as a joke by the mod with no real game information given out (and I think that's how it was intended, even if it is true that trainers control Pokemon).

You're right, Mandy does make lots of jokes in regards to trying to trick the players. It probably could just be that, but how are we to be actually sure?

No. No it's not known. As far as I can tell Samlen is the one who originated this theory and has pushed it a couple times but there's no reason to treat it as fact.

Why else would the last trainer be crowned the champion? Trainers, in the anime and in the game, battle each other, try and catch (recruit) pokemon to further this cause to be the champion. While they may not kill each other, it still serves a cultish role imo. Going by the rules and intro there are a number of factions - trainers, pokemon, and a killer (which we can guess to be team rocket). As it's a mafia game, we can state that there are just normal townies as well.

This may not all be fact, but it's something we can go off in order to progress the safety of the number of townies in this game.

If they even have recruiting capabilities. Seriously, how the hell did you read cult recruiter into the game description?

Read above. I am wondering though, how do you read the rules and speculation about trainers being cultish, or not? Could you elaborate your own thoughts?

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I'm noticing there are a number of aggressive players in this game that wants to either jump on or push a bandwagon rather than trying to gain the most information to make the right choice for the D1 lynch. Players such as talapus and serbia are really striking out at me with misinformation and constantly changing their votes in whatever way the conversation is going. FOS both of them.

[Skoffin]

So far nearly all of your posts have appeared to be nothing substantial and merely padding your activity in this game.

@Skoffin, Ragian disagrees

unvote...ugh...had forgotten Legionnare's vote on madmitch. That actually made sense.

For the sake of it why don't you give your opinion on the content of each my posts and we can have a wee discussion on what is worthwhile or not?

DOES HE NOW? This cannae be. Someone agreeing with one post you made doesn't exactly equate to disagreeing with my own point. Since I'm splitting hairs anyway, I did say 'nearly all' and not 'all'.

but sure, we can play this round. To start with though, if you are on multiple tabs and posting as you are reading; how come the early post I mentioned it took so long to get one very short post out as you were going, but yet here you managed to get multiple out in a short timeframe? Why the difference?


skittles - Another possibility for trainers is that they have multple win conditions, or double win conditions rather. Ie you can win as a group, but you have an extra win condition that can get you out of the game early or give you a bigger victory. Didn't double wins used to be a thing on this forum years ago? I know I have 'double won' on this site at least once before.

[Skittles!]

skittles - Another possibility for trainers is that they have multple win conditions, or double win conditions rather. Ie you can win as a group, but you have an extra win condition that can get you out of the game early or give you a bigger victory. Didn't double wins used to be a thing on this forum years ago? I know I have 'double won' on this site at least once before.

Oh, I was not aware this was a thing. Or I just don't remember as it's been so damn long. I know when I did my mafia game I didn't do it. Have you played more recently than me?

[legionnare]

You may continue splitting posts if you like if that is what you prefer, however since I don't happen to know your own meta, I for now will continue to find it suspiciously looking like padding your activity in here.

@Skoffin The latter though I agree meta perceptions are sketchy at best I am still interested in Anark's opinion of lynch candidates meta if he has one, only a fool doesn't take every avenue available to them to gain information, Anark's meta knowledge is one such avenue, discussion with you on what constitutes quality posting is another?
To that end I'll ask again for you to put your money where your mouth and tell me what is wrong with my posts.

You may continue splitting posts if you like if that is what you prefer, however since I don't happen to know your own meta, I for now will continue to find it suspiciously looking like padding your activity in here.

Thank you master!
Serious though, that's fair enough, I don't think I've played a game with anyone here except for maybe a game or two with HotShot a couple of years ago, so if you don't want to trust my play style then that's up to you.

FP'd by Skoffin (seeing as you don't like it )

I was being cheeky, don't take it to heart, I was putting out posts quickly as I was looking at the thread tab and seen you had put a new post and figured that if you're online I may as well focus on the current rather than look through past posts for topics.

[legionnare]

oops didn't mean to double quote

[madmitch]

First of all unvote I think MM is a trainer but not for Team Rocket and that team cannot win ,it is not best for a lot of us. I believe Tim is a trainer for Team Rocket and since legion seems to be protecting him he must be one of tims pokemons. I believe Dakky could belong to that team also ,not sure yet as what. Here are my other thoughts Doom - pokemon,exile -pokemon, sam- wild pokemon, Wcg trainor with possible two pokemons Nark and Nag. so I will vote Tim

[legionnare]

I believe Tim is a trainer for Team Rocket and since legion seems to be protecting him he must be one of tims pokemons.

Where do you get the impression that I am protecting Tim?

[Serbia]

Players such as talapus and serbia are really striking out at me with misinformation and constantly changing their votes in whatever way the conversation is going. FOS both of them.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that this sentence is very poorly written, because I haven't been "striking out at" you at all, Skittles. I have been changing my vote, for sure. My initial vote was for dakky for bringing up Team Rocket, which was down to my ignorance of Pokemon. I suppose I could have wiki'd it before the game started, but I didn't. My bad. I later voted for mitch for his lack of providing anything, which was an early vote, not jumping on a wagon. I switched to Masket, because the whole role claim seemed scummy. However, as my last post demonstrated, I've put more thought into this, and have gone on to Tim (who I had FOS'd way back when I voted dakky), because after re-reading the thread, and considering all available options, his post is now the scummiest to me. dakky threw out Team Rocket, Tim immediately reacts negatively, then walks it back, almost as if to say "oops". Masket's claim is suicidal, according to the rules, but a mistake a townie would make rather than scum, unless he's totally dumb scum. Scum, of all players, are going to be especially careful about any type of role claim, so while I believe that Masket truly screwed up, I don't think it makes sense to assume he's scum based on that alone.

For me, I'm happy with the vote on Tim. I'd also consider switching to Mitch, if that's the way the town goes. Masket I think could be a mistake to lynch.

[madmitch]

[quote="legionnare"][quote="Skoffin"][quote="legionnare"]@Wing, care to qualify your case on Tim? I'm not seeing anything particularly scummy
@Legion ,it was this statement that caught my EYE

[mandalorian2298]

Vote count:

spurgistan (1) - Tim

kwanton (1) - kwanton, Strike

Strike wolf (1) - Mets

Tim (4) - new guy, Wing, Serbia, madmitch

Wing (1) - TWO

Minister Masket (5)- Yoshi, Anark, Exile,Talapus, BuJaber

BuJaber (1) - spurgistan

Mitch (5) - Nagerous, Fircoal, dakky, legionnare, Samlen

Exile (1) - Masket

Marashu (1) - Ragian

Talapus (1) - Skoffin

26 alive, 14 to lynch

I feel strangely confident that this VC is correct!

[TimWoodbury]

so after reading through its been mentioned that there is a good possability that the trainers/pokemon pair know each other and chances of them being cult recruiters. this id have to say makes since.

so heres what were looking at right now for teams/groups

team rocket
trainer/pokemon pair
wild pokemon

now 1 crazy out there thought im gonna throw in where we have 20 some odd people we know gary is most likley in the game wich means ash is prolly in it, whats there long term goal other then catching them all...defeating the elite 4... im thinking the elite 4 are also in the game.

with that said i meant to do this a while ago unvote vote Anarkistsdream with the slip up a few pages ago saying we instead of they and other things he aint sitting right.

as others have said mitch is THE wildcard he can be good or bad and say stupid stuff and get himself killed early on his more better info seems to come on the few games where he dont kill himself early on so lets keep him alive a couple of days

[dakky21]

with that said i meant to do this a while ago unvote vote Anarkistsdream with the slip up a few pages ago saying we instead of they and other things he aint sitting right.

While that has been already discussed and he said that was a typo from a phone and no one is voting him anymore, you bring that subject back? Looks like you skimmed through last x pages.
We (all) know that cases against Tim and mitch are easy, but this kind of skimming I didn't see a long time from Tim.

Tim, what other things about Anarkist ain't sitting right? Can you name few?

I'm undecided currently between mitch & Tim.