Jose Fernandez

[nietzsche]

I'm still pissed.

Why him? The most exciting pitcher to watch. Why not any other of the 800 players.

[Dukasaur]

The universe is perverse.

[BIG_John]

This is almost like the Cardinals a couple years ago when Oscar Travaras was killed in a car accident. It is crazy how things happen! I also ready that his girlfriend was pregnant as well. What a shame!!!

[nietzsche]

This is almost like the Cardinals a couple years ago when Oscar Travaras was killed in a car accident. It is crazy how things happen! I also ready that his girlfriend was pregnant as well. What a shame!!!

Well, of course a human life, both sad losses.

But, Taveras was only a prospect, a high ranked prospect just breaking in the big leagues, and Fernandez was already one of the best pitchers with a bright future and one of the most exciting players to watch.

[riskllama]

what happened?

[nietzsche]

He died in a boat accident.

[riskllama]

thx for the link, choncho.

[nietzsche]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bas ... fernandez/

[Serbia]

They don't have Google in Canada yet, only the USA and Mexico apparently.

Very sad news regarding Fernandez. Way too young.

[Bernie Sanders]

This is almost like the Cardinals a couple years ago when Oscar Travaras was killed in a car accident. It is crazy how things happen! I also ready that his girlfriend was pregnant as well. What a shame!!!

Well, of course a human life, both sad losses.

But, Taveras was only a prospect, a high ranked prospect just breaking in the big leagues, and Fernandez was already one of the best pitchers with a bright future and one of the most exciting players to watch.

Glad you figured one's life is more important, when you only base it on income.

[riskllama]

shoulda been you, bernie...

[betiko]

like it or not, some lifes ARE worth more than others.
It's like if a young person full of hope who is about to become president dies during his campaign; well it's obviously more tragic than a former president who dies of a stroke aged 70.

Regardless, people who die are always better than their living selves in the eye of the beholder, mostly if the death is tragic.

[riskllama]

well said, betty.

[notyou2]

A Calgary Stampeder football player died as well. What a waste.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/fatal-night-club-shooting-1.3778093

[patches70]

Being from Cuba, it's kinda ironic that he survived a harrowing boat ride from Cuba to escape the Castro regime only to die in a boating accident off the Florida coast.
Actually, looking into it, this might have been the Grim Reaper setting things right. His mother fell overboard during his trip to the US and would have likely drown had he not dove in the water and saved her. The Reaper said "You owe me a life, Jose!" and came to collect finally on an old debt.
The Grim Reaper being not just the shuffler of souls from this world to the next is also known for his macabre sense of humor as well. This fits nicely into his MO. At least the Reaper let him have five years of money and fame before a drunken boating accident snatched him away.

[BIG_John]

Don't think they have proved that he was drunk yet or at least haven't herd it yet anyways.

[patches70]

Don't think they have proved that he was drunk yet or at least haven't herd it yet anyways.

Har! Does it matter? Fernandez wasn't driving the boat, so whatever happened wasn't his fault. Who ever was driving the boat drove it into a pile of rocks at full speed, between 30 to 40 miles an hour depending what kinda engine was in it.

It's all fun and games until someone pokes and eye out, or worse.

At least 151,000 people around the world died yesterday, Fernandez being one of them. Going out in a boating accident where in the moments before said death occurred Fernandez and his buddies were having a pretty good time. It's fun as hell open throttling a boat on the open water, just, you know, practice at least a tiny modicum of prudence and don't drive into a pile of rocks for f*ck's sake! I could think of of worse ways to go I suppose and a large percentage of people who died yesterday probably weren't having nearly as much fun just before they shuffled off.

Only one thing is for certain, we all got it coming at some point. One would count themselves lucky if they had the money, fame and died in the midst of having a good time. If only we could all be so fortunate.

My condolences to his family.

[Metsfanmax]

Question for patches -- do you ever stop and think, maybe it's better to just remain silent than to open your mouth and sound like an asshole?

[nietzsche]

Don't think they have proved that he was drunk yet or at least haven't herd it yet anyways.

Har! Does it matter? Fernandez wasn't driving the boat, so whatever happened wasn't his fault. Who ever was driving the boat drove it into a pile of rocks at full speed, between 30 to 40 miles an hour depending what kinda engine was in it.

It's all fun and games until someone pokes and eye out, or worse.

At least 151,000 people around the world died yesterday, Fernandez being one of them. Going out in a boating accident where in the moments before said death occurred Fernandez and his buddies were having a pretty good time. It's fun as hell open throttling a boat on the open water, just, you know, practice at least a tiny modicum of prudence and don't drive into a pile of rocks for f*ck's sake! I could think of of worse ways to go I suppose and a large percentage of people who died yesterday probably weren't having nearly as much fun just before they shuffled off.

Only one thing is for certain, we all got it coming at some point. One would count themselves lucky if they had the money, fame and died in the midst of having a good time. If only we could all be so fortunate.

My condolences to his family.

it's official that he wasn't on drugs or alcohol. fortunately he wasn't driving and he wasn't known for driving the boat/boats, according to sea patrol (or however it's called) officers so at least people don't get to say "well, fame and fortune, they get crazy and they have it coming".

the guy tried to defect three times before making it. he was in jail in cuba for that. 14 year-old and in an adults' prison along murderers. crowded, shitty food. he passed out and was unconscious for 24 hours on the fourth and finally successful attempt. he worked hard to make it to the big leagues. he trained physically to exhaustion without rest days because he had a goal.

I didn't know all that before today, I only knew he was the most exciting pitcher to watch. it was fun to see the natural joy one what he did and how he did it. his stuff was nasty.



I don't know if you watch baseball or not, but for some of us something is gone. A big chunk that represented a lot of fun. Not only was he good, but he was fun while being good.

His life is not intrinsically more valuable than any other good human being's life, but it meant a lot to a lot of people. I don't understand the need to make this less significant?

[riskllama]

well said, nietz.

[BIG_John]

Don't think they have proved that he was drunk yet or at least haven't herd it yet anyways.

Har! Does it matter? Fernandez wasn't driving the boat, so whatever happened wasn't his fault. Who ever was driving the boat drove it into a pile of rocks at full speed, between 30 to 40 miles an hour depending what kinda engine was in it.

It's all fun and games until someone pokes and eye out, or worse.

At least 151,000 people around the world died yesterday, Fernandez being one of them. Going out in a boating accident where in the moments before said death occurred Fernandez and his buddies were having a pretty good time. It's fun as hell open throttling a boat on the open water, just, you know, practice at least a tiny modicum of prudence and don't drive into a pile of rocks for f*ck's sake! I could think of of worse ways to go I suppose and a large percentage of people who died yesterday probably weren't having nearly as much fun just before they shuffled off.

Only one thing is for certain, we all got it coming at some point. One would count themselves lucky if they had the money, fame and died in the midst of having a good time. If only we could all be so fortunate.

My condolences to his family.

Patch yes they were going fast! It was dark and what they hit didnt have lights on it! Should they have been going that fast in the dark probably not. What has happened has happened and baseball has lost a great pitcher!

[patches70]

Neitz: "I'm sad that Fernandez is dead because baseball isn't going to be as fun to watch now".

Holy shit! He's just an object to you. You know who's going to be really sad? His unborn kid who is going to grow up never knowing his/her father.
His girlfriend who for the sake of argument and optimism, loved Fernandez and had hopes of spending the rest of her life with him.
His family who knew him well, would have loved him even if he never played baseball.
His true friends who loved him not because he played baseball well but brought an actual something to their lives in the form of fellowship, advice and support in things other (and more important) than baseball.
His teammates when they reach for the fruit of his labors and find themselves wanting and feel the brunt of their loss all over again and again.

Ain't not a single one of you posting in this thread ever met the guy, knew the guy or cared anything about him except that he entertained you with his skills in baseball. He's just an object to you.

I'm not glad he died, I'm not even making his life less significant. He had an amazing life with accomplishments most of you could only dream you had the strength to get through and that's before he ever got to play baseball.

But you neitz, "Taveras was only a prospect..." fucking moron. You think Taveras' family and friends grief is any different than the Fernandez family's grief? You're grief is obviously different because you didn't value Fernandez as a human being,
because you didn't even know him. He was just a thing to you.

It's ok though, we put people on a pedestal very often even though it is ultimately unhealthy and damaging. We rarely care about that damage.
My condolences go out to the family of Jose Fernandez for they are truly feeling the effects of this terrible thing.
All the sports fans can suck it for all I care. You'll get over if when the next pitching phenom hits while Fernandez family grieves on.
Just like all the other families of all the other people who die every single day that you don't give two shits about.

And yes, I get to say we all got it coming because we all got it coming. It'd be nice if we all got to die old and grey peacefully in our beds with our loved ones all around us to ease our transition but that doesn't happen a lot of times. God in his infinite wisdom put death at the end of our lives. Pray you go quickly when that time comes and cherish what you have now because you never know when your time is going to come. Dying while in the midst of joy is better than going while in the throes of horror and pain as many are likely destined.
But in truth there is probably no good way to go regardless.
So tell me neitz, do you wish you died of a heart attack on your couch while watching Fernandez toss burners to hapless batters or would you rather live to see Fernandez pass instead and take that opportunity to look around yourself and see what you got in your life now that is good and cherish it anew while you still can?
If anything Fernandez shows us all that it can all be over in an unexpected instant at any time. And for that, at least, I am grateful to him. We forget that all too often and take things for granted. For you neitz, only after Fernandez died did you learn-

the guy tried to defect three times before making it. he was in jail in cuba for that. 14 year-old and in an adults' prison along murderers. crowded, shitty food. he passed out and was unconscious for 24 hours on the fourth and finally successful attempt. he worked hard to make it to the big leagues. he trained physically to exhaustion without rest days because he had a goal.

I didn't know all that before today, I only knew he was the most exciting pitcher to watch.

Imagine what greater your joy would have been had you known all that while watching him play. But you didn't really care to know all that, did you? You only cared about what Fernandez gave to you. You are the one who makes his life less significant because all you ever cared about before this day was how he entertained you while you watched him play. He was just a thing to you.

[patches70]

What has happened has happened and baseball has lost a great pitcher!

Baseball will be just fine. What has happened is that a mother and father have lost a son, a sister has lost a brother, a child has lost a father, a woman has lost a partner and a team has lost a teammate and friend.

What have you lost?

[Bernie Sanders]

What has happened has happened and baseball has lost a great pitcher!

Baseball will be just fine. What has happened is that a mother and father have lost a son, a sister has lost a brother, a child has lost a father, a woman has lost a partner and a team has lost a teammate and friend.

What have you lost?

Well said patches.

[riskllama]

nietzsche, you're a terrible person.