Mitch and tim are building cases against themselves.. No reason to put pressure on them until we're ready to end the day. Doom and mandy not giving us enough. For example doom, we don't even need to know what you did/didn't do in the night. You are in the best position to decide how full of crap mitch is so if you vote for him that's enough of an answer. Or give us someone else.
aage - The case on mandy is not just the D1 dark vs light stuff and his general mischievous tone. His posts in D2 are neither giving us much to go on in terms of figuring out who he is nor are they giving us alternative directions to pursue to progress the day. Share your wisdom with us low IQ's... who should we focus on to gain info if not yourself?
I'm happy lynching mitch instead... I only unvoted originally as a way to put pressure on people who are claiming to be dark but still don't seem too keen on proving it.
Storr - You still know who you want to lynch D2?
Paging Tokle, gregwolf, marashu and william
Tim - I have no idea what you're trying to say in your latest post.
BuJaber wrote: aage - The case on mandy is not just the D1 dark vs light stuff and his general mischievous tone. His posts in D2 are neither giving us much to go on in terms of figuring out who he is nor are they giving us alternative directions to pursue to progress the day.
Mandy - Share your wisdom with us low IQ's... who should we focus on to gain info if not yourself?
mandalorian2298 wrote:OK, to short-circuit this nonsense, I'll claim my character (but not my power because it would make me less effective).
I am "Grendal" or, more precisely, Graendal AKA Kamarile Maradim Nindar. I am "beautifully full figured with elaborately curled red-gold hair." Yeah.
Meaningless. Full claim.
Rish gave me decent fake claims in the last game including a couple that took a couple of hours to decipher their real names rather than whatever nicknames Rish feels like using. Rish misspelling means nothing.
I did not make a slip or mistake in what I said, I was trying to make a point when Mandy said no one counter claimed , that does not prove anything. And again I have state my case to all the non believers . I am M'hael (just that name given) I recently became a member of the chosen and I am making a name for my self. I have abilities both day and night and my job is to kill all forces of the light.I can remove one persons action at night and why Doom is not backing me up means he must be light.
@AAGE my last post was simply saying that if mandy fake claimed and there is another grenadel or however its spelt with it being a supposed powerful character the real one wouldnt flat out and say oh hey im the real one. i say this because yah it might get mandy killed but light would know exactly who they needed to kill at night to get rid of said powerfull role
TimWoodbury wrote:@AAGE my last post was simply saying that if mandy fake claimed and there is another grenadel or however its spelt with it being a supposed powerful character the real one wouldnt flat out and say oh hey im the real one. i say this because yah it might get mandy killed but light would know exactly who they needed to kill at night to get rid of said powerfull role
So you are saying that my character is powerful, so powerful that it shouldn't claim even to prove that a scumster is lying, but you have no problem lynching this powerful character yourself, but you wanted me to claim because...
The ONLY reason why people who are being bandwagoned in a flavour game claim is so that they could be counter-claimed. If there was another Graendal ot there (which there isn't) then the claim and my subsequent lynch would make that player a proven Townie and an automatic recipient of Doc's protection from here on out. That's how claiming/ counterclaiming works. Duh.
Mishuk gotal'u meshuroke, pako kyore.
Talapus wrote:I'm far more pissed that mandy and his thought process were right from the get go....damn you mandy.
madmitch wrote:I did not make a slip or mistake in what I said, I was trying to make a point when Mandy said no one counter claimed , that does not prove anything. And again I have state my case to all the non believers . I am M'hael (just that name given) I recently became a member of the chosen and I am making a name for my self. I have abilities both day and night and my job is to kill all forces of the light.I can remove one persons action at night and why Doom is not backing me up means he must be light.
But, since you are already bandwagoning me, even after I have claimed a major character without counter-claim, you couldn't bother switching your vote to Doom who, according to you, "must be light". Interesting.
Mishuk gotal'u meshuroke, pako kyore.
Talapus wrote:I'm far more pissed that mandy and his thought process were right from the get go....damn you mandy.
@ Mandy , Your claim was suspicious but I am coming around to believe you, lots of time to switch votes, Doom needs to man up and let the truth out about my night move
mandalorian2298 wrote: The ONLY reason why people who are being bandwagoned in a flavour game claim is so that they could be counter-claimed. If there was another Graendal ot there (which there isn't) then the claim and my subsequent lynch would make that player a proven Townie and an automatic recipient of Doc's protection from here on out. That's how claiming/ counterclaiming works. Duh.
Bull
There are almost certainly fakeclaims so this is horse jack.
Which I have already said, but you conveniently ignored.
This might not be important, but it still boggled me when reading the lynch scene: I tried googling, but I'm not sure what to make of the result. Is Ogier a people or a person? Because if he/they is/are associated with the light, does that imply that forces of the light are in the lynch? I don't know if I'm reading too much into the scene here...
rishaed wrote:It roared out its challenge to its opponents when suddenly it was not fighting men, but Ogier. A long handled axe fell.
If it's Mandy's comment on doom's list, it kind of implies that Mandy is light.
aage wrote:
madmitch wrote:
aage wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote: and 2) claimed that you are not Town.
For the record, the previous WoT game Rish hosted also didn't actually name roles as "town" or "mafia". My role in this game doesn't say "town" or "mafia" or any indication either.
I'm town though.
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Aage, are we hunting for the the evil bloke and his henchmen again? Bets on Mets being the evil bloke?
Dunno, we'll have to get a couple deads to figure that out I think. But it's probably light (town) against dark (scum) based on what I know + common sense.
@ Aage so I guess we better round you up and hang you VOTE Aage
Never said I was light. Nice reading skills.
You never explicitly write "I'm light", but surely it's implied when you say "I'm town though" followed by "it's probably light (town) against dark (scum)". Or what am I misinterpreting?
I like BuJ's roundup of posts that indicate that people are light. I'm finding myself agreeing with Mandy being light (if the quote in the spoiler above is indeed Mandy's comment and not a f*ck up in quoting), but of course there's a point in saying that if everyone subconsciously thinks light = town, then it gets more difficult to interpret the posts as they'd have that as understood.
I don't really follow BuJ's vote on madmitch, though. He seems convinced that mandy is light, he acknowledges that aage's post about light = town, but he votes madmitch...?
mandalorian2298 wrote:If you truely want to hunt the Goody Lighties, seek them not among the devious who's intentions are cloaked in secrecy and whose tounge has split form the burden of sweet lies; but seek them among the humes lumocks who state their intentions plainly and wear their hearts on their sleaves. And don't rely on Trollocs to do the heavy thinking. BUAHAHAHAHA!!! Dissapears in a cloud of sulphor
What was that? That and the next seem like forced attempts to appear dark after having done the opposite. I can understand the point Mandy is making that he wouldn't come out flashing his light knowing that he was scum, but D1 everyone seemed to believe that light was town. It could just be unfortunate. I'd like a claim to go with his darkness.
Aage saying that madmitch is claiming a rank rather than a person is interesting. Now, I don't know anything about the books, but it says, "He has been given a new name by the Shadow, known only as M'Hael," here. That doesn't indicate a rank, but rather that a person whose name was Mazrim Taim. No?
Great. Tim beat me to it. But why is Tim unvoting?
Mandy claims a character that he spells differently in the same line. He blames the mod for that. Alright. Fair enough. But aren't you intentionally misinterpreting what mitch is trying to say? I took it as mitch saying that you using "no one counterclaimed my role" as a defense could also serve him as a defense as no one counterclaimed him. But given he's still being investigated, so should you?
Aage, why is it weaksauce? You wanted to round up whoever appeared light D1. Now, we're doing so, and you think it's weak? I don't follow.
I may have missed why Doom is also under the microscope...
However, I think mitch is town and I'm suspecting Mandy and aage the most at the moment. That said, BuJ did pick out tokle's one post indicating he was light and he hasn't posted today (neither had I till now, but no one missed me apparently). If I were to vote now (which I won't till I get a vote count), I'd go Mandy or aage. The former has promised a lengthy post, though. Aage never really answered why he said he was town and the equated light and town when that doesn't mean that he's light...
Ragian wrote:This might not be important, but it still boggled me when reading the lynch scene: I tried googling, but I'm not sure what to make of the result. Is Ogier a people or a person? Because if he/they is/are associated with the light, does that imply that forces of the light are in the lynch? I don't know if I'm reading too much into the scene here...
rishaed wrote:It roared out its challenge to its opponents when suddenly it was not fighting men, but Ogier. A long handled axe fell.
Ogier is a race (like human) and they are associated with light, but that's irrelevant to the game until someone claims it. You can find this info by typing "ogier" in google. Concerning them being involved in the lynch, it's scene flavour, don't read people's roles into it.
If it's Mandy's comment on doom's list, it kind of implies that Mandy is light.
Mandy's responding to "revealing alignment D1 isn't a s mart move".
aage wrote:Never said I was light. Nice reading skills.
You never explicitly write "I'm light", but surely it's implied when you say "I'm town though" followed by "it's probably light (town) against dark (scum)". Or what am I misinterpreting?
You're not misinterpreting, I lied. I deduced from my role that dark=town, and was trying to draw out reactions to "light is town" to figure out if I was right. Didn't work as well as I wanted it to, so I moved on to end the day by voting Dakky.
Aage saying that madmitch is claiming a rank rather than a person is interesting. Now, I don't know anything about the books, but it says, "He has been given a new name by the Shadow, known only as M'Hael," here. That doesn't indicate a rank, but rather that a person whose name was Mazrim Taim. No?
Here's the first hit when you google M'hael, it literally says "military rank" and "The present M'Hael is Mazrim Taim", using it as a noun rather than a proper name. Hence my response. The wiki page on Mazrim Taim says that M'hael is a name given to the dude when he became Forsaken, but I didn't bother clicking more page links after reading that page. Don't know why the wiki page is inconsistent, but apparently it is. For the record, I've read books 1-3 and am about a quarter of the way into book 4, so I haven't encountered any of these things.
Aage, why is it weaksauce? You wanted to round up whoever appeared light D1. Now, we're doing so, and you think it's weak? I don't follow.
It's weaksauce because the entire argument around Mandy supposedly claiming light (which, like me, he never actually did) has turned into a WIFOM slugfest about claims and counterclaims. Calls for Mandy's roleclaim are not going to move the game forward, it'll only satisfy some egos and probably help scum. The argument is slowly dying down from "you wanted Dakky to die, so you are light" to pretty much nothing. The initial argument isn't a valid argument since (a) it wasn't clear what town was, and (b) plenty of people voted Dakky including both IB and Strike, who were of the same alignment as Dakky was. BuJ enlightened us on the case on Mandy:
BuJ wrote:The case on mandy is not just the D1 dark vs light stuff and his general mischievous tone. His posts in D2 are neither giving us much to go on in terms of figuring out who he is nor are they giving us alternative directions to pursue to progress the day.
So now he's scum because he posts evil flavour and because he's being defensive. The first argument is bs and the second is the result of people attacking Mandy over nothing in the first place.
That's why it's weaksauce.
However, I think mitch is town and I'm suspecting Mandy and aage the most at the moment. That said, BuJ did pick out tokle's one post indicating he was light and he hasn't posted today (neither had I till now, but no one missed me apparently). If I were to vote now (which I won't till I get a vote count), I'd go Mandy or aage. The former has promised a lengthy post, though. Aage never really answered why he said he was town and the equated light and town when that doesn't mean that he's light...
I don't see why I need to elaborate on my role, or my claim of being town. The reason I wrote that is because I wanted to draw out claims from other people concerning Light being or not being Town. The only people who have voted me over the course of this game have changed their minds. Why would I voluntarily give up information that will actively hurt me and the rest of town?
I think your read on Mitch is wrong. He's switched stances on both me and Mandy during this D2, on me without any particular reason to and on Mandy because... he reiterated that he was a major role? I don't know. He didn't provide any reasoning with his change of heart. Also note he completely avoided the wagon on Dakky, and is now backpedalling on both of his suspects.
I also don't approve of Wing's zealotry in hounding Mandy. His vote is based completely on the "dark vs light" controversy. That's not nearly good enough a reason to warrant a full claim.
I keep reading your tag-line or whatever those things are at the bottom of people's posts as a part of your post.
Cheers for the replies. I agree that mitch is being weird about stuff, but he's not different here than in previous games. Let's ask him. I do get the sense, though, that some in here are trying to discredit mitch for improper footwork rather than what he has actually said.
@mitch, why did you change your vote away from aage?
So, now I just need to figure out if I believe that you were indeed trying to lure out people rather than claiming light. I'd assume that you'd think that light were the good guys since you've read the books. And in my mind that translates into you saying that you're light. I've been overly paranoid before, though. Also, if the case against Mandy is weak, then any case against tokle would be of the same character, right?
Ragian wrote:I keep reading your tag-line or whatever those things are at the bottom of people's posts as a part of your post.
Cheers for the replies. I agree that mitch is being weird about stuff, but he's not different here than in previous games. Let's ask him. I do get the sense, though, that some in here are trying to discredit mitch for improper footwork rather than what he has actually said.
@mitch, why did you change your vote away from aage?
So, now I just need to figure out if I believe that you were indeed trying to lure out people rather than claiming light. I'd assume that you'd think that light were the good guys since you've read the books. And in my mind that translates into you saying that you're light. I've been overly paranoid before, though. Also, if the case against Mandy is weak, then any case against tokle would be of the same character, right?
A case against Tokle has the advantage of him scumarining.
TimWoodbury wrote:@AAGE my last post was simply saying that if mandy fake claimed and there is another grenadel or however its spelt with it being a supposed powerful character the real one wouldnt flat out and say oh hey im the real one. i say this because yah it might get mandy killed but light would know exactly who they needed to kill at night to get rid of said powerfull role
So you are saying that my character is powerful, so powerful that it shouldn't claim even to prove that a scumster is lying, but you have no problem lynching this powerful character yourself, but you wanted me to claim because...
The ONLY reason why people who are being bandwagoned in a flavour game claim is so that they could be counter-claimed. If there was another Graendal ot there (which there isn't) then the claim and my subsequent lynch would make that player a proven Townie and an automatic recipient of Doc's protection from here on out. That's how claiming/ counterclaiming works. Duh.
i have no clue if said character is powerfull jut going by you claiming it powerful. if its so powerfull then why even 1/2 claim as you did. and again you go assumeing there is doc protection in this game, this is afterall a NON NORMAL gme we cant assume anything
Thanks for posting aage. I respect your opinion. At least your posts provide some logic to add to the discussion, and alternative viewpoints is how we arrive at the right answer.
I still think 3 of the people I've mentioned already are light. But I've tried, and I don't think I'll be able to get them lynched by myself. So we can wait for more info and/or put pressure on those that have gone silent.
Mitch it feels to me like you're trying too hard to earn town points. Not working with me.
Thanks for joining us Ragian.
Tokle, marashu, william and greg still haven't posted. Maybe others. Storr, new guy and sam posted a little in D2 but not recently..
aage"'] [quote="Metsfanmax wrote:I'll vote mandy too, in order to force a full claim. mandy's story just simply doesn't make sense; he's specifically trying to take credit for having started the game going after dark players, which wouldn't make any sense at all if he was dark, yet he's now claiming a dark allegiance. So I'm guessing third party or something, though Light is possible. At any rate, he clearly seems to be lying about something.
FoS mets for this post, honestly this smells like wilful misreading of Mandy's posts. Mandy explained his controversial behaviour here:
mandy wrote:Having received a role of this nature, I am pretty sure that I would be then able to deduce that a) I was scum and b) Light is scum; in which case I surely would have not begun the game with "Kill dakky and all the forces of darkness!!!" paladin-like zealotism.
Justifying your vote with flavour wifom in a non standard game is incredibly scummy.[/quote]
Huh? That's the post I'm responding to. Pay attention. I'm calling him out for trying to take credit for going after dark players.
For me this all comes down to Doom. He could easily clear up the Mitch puzzle for us, but instead he has gone suspiciously quiet. If he would help us and clear up what happened overnight then we could at least try and narrrow the search down. Ultimately, I'm not sure I believe Mitch's post imploring Doom to come forward and help clear his name. The more this goes on, the worse they both look. Right now I'm unsure who I believe regarding Mitch, Doom and Mandy, but it seems it's between Mitch & Mandy for a lynch today. I don't believe either claim, but I find myself thinking if Mitch is telling the truth, we have more to lose by lynching him so early considering his claim to have powers in both day and night, and so in interest of keeping the game moving forward and still trying to find someone I suspect is light, I'll vote Mandy.
aage wrote:A case against Tokle has the advantage of him scumarining.
Why are you working so hard to defend Mandy if you dont know his alignment? Harder than Mandy is.
And why are you happy to accuse 1 of many absent players of scummaring? Is shooting at a barrel seven players hoping to hit the scumarine better than lynching Mandy?
aage wrote:A case against Tokle has the advantage of him scumarining.
Why are you working so hard to defend Mandy if you dont know his alignment? Harder than Mandy is.
I'm attacking the reasoning. There are better lynching candidates and people worth putting pressure on. I don't see Mandy as one of them and the arguments brought to the table are of such low quality that it makes me doubt the people who are bringing them forth.
And why are you happy to accuse 1 of many absent players of scummaring? Is shooting at a barrel seven players hoping to hit the scumarine better than lynching Mandy?
Ragian asked about Tokle, I responded. Ask him why he brought it up, I don't think I've specifically mentioned his name before with regards to scumarining. Don't put words in my mouth.
Metsfanmax wrote:Huh? That's the post I'm responding to. Pay attention. I'm calling him out for trying to take credit for going after dark players.
and you're misreading the post. You're saying "[it] wouldn't make any sense at all if he was dark", even though Mandy explains why it doesn't make sense as light. The fact that nobody stepped forward day 1 saying "hold on don't lynch dakky, dark is town" is proof that none of the Dark aligned people knew that they were town. Therefore you can't fault someone for trying to appear to be light D1 - it's the same as appearing to be town, if you assume dark=scum and light=town. The argument's just bad wifom.
BuJaber wrote:Mitch it feels to me like you're trying too hard to earn town points. Not working with me.
