WoT:Mem of Light An Ending

[BuJaber]

I am agreeing with Tim, Dakky has played enough games to not make such a great error, something does not smell right, Why does he want to die? This situation has me worried about what he is ? If everyone thinks this is the best thing to do I have no problem joining the group but I am still worried about possible side effects ( nuke)

That's exactly what dakky wants you to believe. I say don't fall for it.

[mandalorian2298]

DISCLAIMER: As I said before, it looks pretty certain that Dakky is the Day 1 lynch. This doesn't mean that we can't get some more discussion in before Night 1. come Wednesday we can finish the bandwagon but until then let's try to gain some more information for Day 2.

I'd lynch Greg next day. Going against dakky lynch by pushing someone else.

FOS StorrZerg for skimming. Greg didn't push for my lynch, it was a joke vote.

All of you people pre-emptively going after dakky, that's pretty weak. If he flips town then you all get to play the "oops, well he probably had it coming anyway" card and I'm going to bet there's at least one scum on that.

At least give him a full 24 hours of day time so that he can really earn your lynch first.

This would be the defending post I would think.

It's not bad advice for town either. Pressuring accountability on people.

The first part stunk of trying to gain town cred post Dakkys lynch. Dakky flips scum, no harm done. Dakky flips town, Mets claims to have been the sensible townie and town cred.

The second part of his post was basically pointless when we couldnt lynch for 24hrs anyway. And that Mets only requoted that bit says a lot.

Clearly Dakky isnt in an inner circle otherwise he almost certaintly would have been chatting to his new scum mates N0, or at least seen he was in a gang. No harm for Mets to be the voice of reason in a lynch that was unstoppable anyway.

Aage give me time, barely ttying to frame you, waiting for a proper slip up.

Have faith, all good slip-ups come to those who wait. For example:

vote Wing Tell me more about this inner circle.

[madmitch]

@ Mandy good question, tell us Wing

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

You know when you are mafia and you have buddies to talk to. Well in games where there are other hidden mafia they are not aware of you get an inner circle of buddies and the others.

Think White Rose in Surprise Mafia. Yeah that game I ended up modding for blooming ages....

In this case Dakky wouldnt be acting this way if he had buddies to talk to. Ergo inner circle must exist outside of him.

Vote Aage - Cause.

In more useful information (repeat as you all ignored it last time), when I was the mafia boss in the last WoT game with Streaker as my sidekick I was never told I was mafia, only that I was in the Shadow. Conjecture meant that I was probably the evil guy due to being able to kill and roleblock at night as well as being the books evil dude, but it was never explicitly stated.

Can we get a vote going as to whether Streaker or Dakky had the worse start to their respective games? Streaker started in style in the last WoT game too.

[madmitch]

@ Wing thanks .

[StorrZerg]

Yep I skimmed that. Type for the clarification

[aage]

I assumed Storr was just testing how much control he had over the lynch more than trying to actually hunt Greg as scum, to be honest. Same with his pursuit on Dakky, though he got lucky on the awkward timing of his clumsy and scummy claim. For the record I am very much in favour of this, I like an unguided missile in a game this size. And Storr is good enough to correct his aim when necessary.

[StorrZerg]

Yeah, let's go with that.

[Ragian]

Cheers, Mara.

@Wing, are you suggesting that Dakky is a baddie who doesn't know who his fellow baddies are?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Youre quick

[tokle]

Of course, this seems to hinge a lot on dakky not being full of bull...

This is what it boils down to, really. In the series, the book A Memory of Light is all about the final battle between the forces of the Light and the forces of the Dark. Most of the split factions in the series band together for one side or the other. Trollocs are the foot soldier for the Dark. In Rish' first game, "Dark" was the mafia. If dakky wants to argue that his role didn't say mafia, only dark, then I would say that dark equates to informed minority. With the exception of wolf trollocs, trollocs are not intelligent - but this is a mafia game, so I would very much doubt if dakky had to play out his role's flavour intelligence.

This made me thing of something. Considering how the whole saga was written to move the story towards this final battle, with pretty much everyone in the dark about who is alligned with what or who. It could be possible that we are looking not at a minority scum vs majority town setting but one of two or more more or less even groupings. In the story the forsaken, who are on the dark one's side, don't co-operate, they tend rather to compete with each other. The ones on the light side as well don't always pull in the same direction.

[BuJaber]

Storr how do you feel about mitch's posts? When you thought greg was going against the dakky lynch by voting mandy that was a red flag for you. Seems to me like mitch is trying even harder to derail the bandwagon or at least sound like the voice of reason if dakky flips with a suicide role.

[TimWoodbury]

Of course, this seems to hinge a lot on dakky not being full of bull...

This is what it boils down to, really. In the series, the book A Memory of Light is all about the final battle between the forces of the Light and the forces of the Dark. Most of the split factions in the series band together for one side or the other. Trollocs are the foot soldier for the Dark. In Rish' first game, "Dark" was the mafia. If dakky wants to argue that his role didn't say mafia, only dark, then I would say that dark equates to informed minority. With the exception of wolf trollocs, trollocs are not intelligent - but this is a mafia game, so I would very much doubt if dakky had to play out his role's flavour intelligence.

This made me thing of something. Considering how the whole saga was written to move the story towards this final battle, with pretty much everyone in the dark about who is alligned with what or who. It could be possible that we are looking not at a minority scum vs majority town setting but one of two or more more or less even groupings. In the story the forsaken, who are on the dark one's side, don't co-operate, they tend rather to compete with each other. The ones on the light side as well don't always pull in the same direction.

so what your saying is that this may nt be a typical mafia game of team A vrs team B but it could be team A has b,c and d while team E has E,F,G an only those on each smaller team know who there partners are? would make for a interesting game and if thats how the final book is to play out i spose this game could possably play out in the same fashion

[DoomYoshi]

Thoughts so far on other players:
aage:light
BuJaber: dark
dakky: dark
gregwolf: dark
Hotshot: dark
Iron Butterfly: light
madmitch: dark
mandy: dark
Marashu: light
mets: dark
new guy: dark
Ragian: dark
sam levi: light
StorrZerg: dark
strike wolf: dark
TimWoodbury: dark
tokle: dark
william: dark
wing: light

It seems like a lot of players are stuck in a trap of the "Emperor's New Clothes".
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I'll let you guys know who is getting lynched day 2. Right before dakky goes down

Did you already announce this?

[StorrZerg]

Storr how do you feel about mitch's posts? When you thought greg was going against the dakky lynch by voting mandy that was a red flag for you. Seems to me like mitch is trying even harder to derail the bandwagon or at least sound like the voice of reason if dakky flips with a suicide role.

I won't disagree with your statement/observation.

I will say in large games, sometimes you have to pick your battles. Or decide which looney to lynch first

And unless things have changed since I last played. Madmitch has almost no ability to impact the game with his posting.

[StorrZerg]

I'll let you guys know who is getting lynched day 2. Right before dakky goes down

Did you already announce this?

nope. Ill use some fancy bold or something and say "DAY 2 LYNCH" or something

i might be witty, probably not though

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, I just wanted to make sure your calling out of gregwolf wasn't supposed to be this spectacular announcement because it wasn't.

[TimWoodbury]

[quote="DoomYoshi"]Thoughts so far on other players:
aage:light
BuJaber: dark
dakky: dark
gregwolf: dark
Hotshot: dark
Iron Butterfly: light
madmitch: dark
mandy: dark
Marashu: light
mets: dark
new guy: dark
Ragian: dark
sam levi: light
StorrZerg: dark
strike wolf: dark
TimWoodbury: dark
tokle: dark
william: dark
wing: light

/quote]

so your saying theres more dark then light? also may i ask how you came about this current list and wich side so to say do you put yourself on?

[DoomYoshi]

Revealing alignment day 1 isn't a smart move.

[StorrZerg]

Revealing alignment day 1 isn't a smart move.

but lets make fluff post about it.

[DoomYoshi]

Revealing alignment day 1 isn't a smart move.

but lets make fluff post about it.

I need to get my post count up before dakky makes the rock-solid post-count defense. That, and answering a direct question

[dakky21]

Revealing alignment day 1 isn't a smart move.

but lets make fluff post about it.

I need to get my post count up before dakky makes the rock-solid post-count defense. That, and answering a direct question

You'll get a rock-solid defense from me later, without a post count. Currently still probing who will vote me anyway...

[TimWoodbury]

Revealing alignment day 1 isn't a smart move.

but dakky did it so it must be a great move right? so enlighten us will you:)

[TimWoodbury]

P.S
i jsut got to thinking, sine you think there are more dark people then light then that means hypothetically dark would be the good people and light would be the bad people. you got dakky listed as dark meaning he would be a good person, so are you saying we should be voting for somone you listed as light?

this train of thought is of course assumeing we go by typicall mafia "rules" where there is more good people then bad people

[strike wolf]

As Tim said, you are basically stating that a lot of people are of a certain alignment and that the game is not how it is perceived so an explanation is due. For one thing, if you areally going to suggest town is dark (correct me if you aren't actually claiming this), why go out of your way to state this and then refuse to say that yourequires own alignment?