One night ultimate werewolf round 2 - Town wins!

[madmitch]

as a seer you should have seen that remark coming Dakky, cackling

this was my soft claim of being the witch ( cacking) evil laughter

[Iron Butterfly]

I believe Mitch

[Ragian]

I believe Mitch as well. I think it would be too bold for the werewolves to link together so closely with the possibility of being fooled by the troublemaker.

My stance hasn't changed.

[DoomYoshi]

Mitch, why didn't you give the villager role to someone? I know a solo werewolf also gets to look at a middle role...

[DoomYoshi]

Let me get this straight:

- I claims villager
- Falko claims villager
- BuJ claims villager
- Mitch says there's one villager in the pile (or centre or whatever)

Doesn't that mean that 2/3 claimed villagers are lying?

Of these 4 claims, only 2 can be true. Marashu backs up, but robbers have been known to lie.

[DoomYoshi]

It is also possible that 3 are lying. There are 4 possible scum roles. We could have no villagers. This looks to me like a definite possibility. So here's a question for the group: if none of them are telling the truth, who is which scum. We need to make sure we don't hit tanner or minion.

I think Ragian is Minion, Falko and/or Buj might be Werewolf (hopefully just one of them so they will out the other) and Dakky is tanner.

[BuJaber]

Something is not right here.

I was villager before the switch is all I know. I still think mitch was werewolf, and marashu robbed it from him. I will vote mitch. I think I believe falko. This would mean that Ragian is a lying too. Which is kinda weird.

If falko was werewolf he would have just claimed now and made me the obvious target and I would have just had some unfortunate luck. He didn't. We're both villagers.

Ragian is lying, mitch is lying, marashu is lying.

OR falko is a very dedicated actor.

I think I'll vote marashu because if I'm right he stole werewolf from mitch and is now the werewolf himself.

[BuJaber]

EBWOP: When I said "I will vote mitch" I meant marashu since he has mitch's card.

Alternate theory: Mitch WAS witch; he looked at center, he found werewolf, he took it, robber's (marashu) role plays after witch, so marashu took the newly acquired werewolf.

DoomYoshi might be troublemaker, or he might be a solo werewolf who saw the middle and saw the troublemaker card so he knew it would be a safe fake claim.

[DoomYoshi]

In your alternate theory, Mitch would have no reason to not report Marashu.

[madmitch]

BuJaber protests way to much ,he must be guilty as hell ,probably werewolf.

[BuJaber]

I'm kinda insulted you think I'm werewolf when I'm the FIFTH person to claim villager. I would absolutely know that would put the spotlight on me.
I've played this game so many times in real life. I'd like to think my fake claim would be better than villager in this spot.

I don't know why mitch isn't outing marashu.. but at least one of them must be lying. OR both ragian AND falko is lying.. Which one is more likely?
One thing for sure: If we believe yoshi then either me or falko would HAVE to out the other. This has not happened yet. This is the biggest reason why I'm thinking we're the 2 actual villagers.
Also I talk a lot because it won't hurt me much. I started with villager, if town loses.. I can't really be blamed.

[Marashu]

I'm kinda insulted you think I'm werewolf when I'm the FIFTH person to claim villager. I would absolutely know that would put the spotlight on me.
I've played this game so many times in real life. I'd like to think my fake claim would be better than villager in this spot.

I don't know why mitch isn't outing marashu.. but at least one of them must be lying. OR both ragian AND falko is lying.. Which one is more likely?
One thing for sure: If we believe yoshi then either me or falko would HAVE to out the other. This has not happened yet. This is the biggest reason why I'm thinking we're the 2 actual villagers.
Also I talk a lot because it won't hurt me much. I started with villager, if town loses.. I can't really be blamed.

If Mitch it telling the truth, which I think he is, then one of the two who first claimed villager is lying. I think BuJ is either the Tanner or the Minion - either one benefits from being lynched, but minion is ok with any town mislynch. So I would be bit hesitant to vote for him.

[BuJaber]

I'm kinda insulted you think I'm werewolf when I'm the FIFTH person to claim villager. I would absolutely know that would put the spotlight on me.
I've played this game so many times in real life. I'd like to think my fake claim would be better than villager in this spot.

I don't know why mitch isn't outing marashu.. but at least one of them must be lying. OR both ragian AND falko is lying.. Which one is more likely?
One thing for sure: If we believe yoshi then either me or falko would HAVE to out the other. This has not happened yet. This is the biggest reason why I'm thinking we're the 2 actual villagers.
Also I talk a lot because it won't hurt me much. I started with villager, if town loses.. I can't really be blamed.

If Mitch it telling the truth, which I think he is, then one of the two who first claimed villager is lying. I think BuJ is either the Tanner or the Minion - either one benefits from being lynched, but minion is ok with any town mislynch. So I would be bit hesitant to vote for him.

Since I've made all my points.. there's no reason to say anything more.
I will take a leap of faith and believe marashu. I don't think he would say what he just said if he wasn't town.

I will be voting for falko. I think he's the least likely out of ragian/falko/dakky to be the minion, so he's the safest choice. Either that or dakky protected IB because IB is werewolf and dakky is minion. In which case we would vote for IB.

It's time for people to say who they're voting for. The way I see it here are the choices:

Falko
Ragian
IB
BuJaber

We can't be sure that people will vote for who they say, but I don't think any additional discussion will yield anything.

[Marashu]

We can't be sure that people will vote for who they say, but I don't think any additional discussion will yield anything.

I call you tanner or minion, and suddenly there's nothing more to talk about?!

Also, IB claiming insomniac if mafia would be very bold, since he did it right away and could easily be counterclaimed by a "real" insomniac. I'm 100% certain IB is town. Dakky less so - it would be easy for him to claim seer and use IB as "proof". I wouldn't put it past scum to be hiding among the claimed roles (outside of villager). So it's probably one of Ragian/Falko is scum, BuJ is minion or tanner (but got switched unless Yoshi is scum and lying), and one of Yoshi/dakky is scum. IB and mitch are certainly town.

[dakky21]

Also, IB claiming insomniac if mafia would be very bold, since he did it right away and could easily be counterclaimed by a "real" insomniac. I'm 100% certain IB is town. Dakky less so - it would be easy for him to claim seer and use IB as "proof". I wouldn't put it past scum to be hiding among the claimed roles (outside of villager). So it's probably one of Ragian/Falko is scum, BuJ is minion or tanner (but got switched unless Yoshi is scum and lying), and one of Yoshi/dakky is scum. IB and mitch are certainly town.

Well, I said I don't know if I am the seer anymore. Why would I claim it so out of nothing after IB claimed Insomniac? Only because I got a read he is. So no one said they switched me with anyone else, so I must still be the seer and if you're town, we're down to 4 players - Ragian, Falko, BuJ and Yoshi.

I will be voting Falko as he stinked from the start, even his joke vote was not funny, though he could be the Tanner. Seems from start he wants to get lynched so I may change my vote at the end.

[Iron Butterfly]

EBWOP: When I said "I will vote mitch" I meant marashu since he has mitch's card.

Alternate theory: Mitch WAS witch; he looked at center, he found werewolf, he took it, robber's (marashu) role plays after witch, so marashu took the newly acquired werewolf.

DoomYoshi might be troublemaker, or he might be a solo werewolf who saw the middle and saw the troublemaker card so he knew it would be a safe fake claim.

How do you explain Mitch and his cackle comment? A small thing like that seals it for me.

Second a disadvantage scum have in claiming early game is a chance to get counter claimed, which is why I claimed first. Now one COULD argue Dakky claimed Seer, and is Tanner hoping for a counter claim, which is why Doom suggested he was Tanner as well. I would think Dakky is either Tanner or telling the truth. Either way he will not get my vote.

I also believe Marusha and Mitch.

So to me the traffic jam is between the other 4.

[BuJaber]

If Mitch it telling the truth, which I think he is,

IF? Think?

You're the only one who could say for sure if mitch is lying. Doesn't matter what he used to have. IF you have villager card right now because you robbed it from mitch that clears both of you as town.

I think I just caught you lying. I didn't notice this before.

[HotShot53]

Mod reminder - there is just under 2 days left before day will end and voting will happen.

[Ragian]

I agree that it's between falko, buj, and me. To me, it seems that buj is at least trying to solve this. Nothing has changed since the first time I said that falko is the one I trust the least. The only thing that worries me is that he could be the tanner.

[madmitch]

If Mitch it telling the truth, which I think he is,

IF? Think?

You're the only one who could say for sure if mitch is lying. Doesn't matter what he used to have. IF you have villager card right now because you robbed it from mitch that clears both of you as town.

I think I just caught you lying. I didn't notice this before.

About time someone caught on,I was never the witch the question is ,is Mars telling the truth about being robber? I think so and IF sothen I am town and know what's what?

[BuJaber]

I agree that it's between falko, buj, and me. To me, it seems that buj is at least trying to solve this. Nothing has changed since the first time I said that falko is the one I trust the least. The only thing that worries me is that he could be the tanner.

Maybe. But why wouldn't he say he was tanner when Yoshi said he switched him?
I actually didn't want to talk too much about this because if falko had a sinister role then the right move for town would be to lynch me. But again, why wouldn't he out me? Either falko doesn't believe yoshi, or falko is the 2nd villager.

Okay screw it.. I believe falko.. I just can't shake the feeling that he would have changed his claim by now in every other scenario EXCEPT that he was a villager all along.
So I change my mind again. Ragian and Mitch have to be lying. Marashu has to be lying by association with mitch. Therefore it's between those 3 now.

This is rather frustrating.. I think I'm just so confused and tired at this point. I think this is my best theory so far. I hope anyway. I can't figure out who's the minion though.. but 2/3 chance is okay odds. Marashu is the obvious minion choice because he's covering for mitch. But I don't know if obvious is necessarily the truth.

I think the roles that hotshot chose to play are particularly challenging, and we got dealt a rather difficult one. Given that a "villager" has gone to 5 people means 3 people are definitely lying. That means at BEST we are 5 v 2 v 1; and it's very possible that we're 4 v 3 v 1. For the purposes of figuring out who to vote for, when tanner and minion are in the game.. the tanner basically ends up helping werewolves massively. So it's more like 4 v 4, but 2 of 2 of them know each other and minion knows the 2 werewolves.

Basically our luck with the deal was pretty bad. But hey.. that's part of the fun. One night phase, one day phase and endless possibilities.


FP'd by mitch... I'm not sure what you're trying to say.. can you explain it a different way? So you weren't witch? why the hell did you lie all this time?

[madmitch]

@ BuJaber I was playing along to see if anyone would claim witch , and also I wanted to make sure Mars was not lying about switching with me, I am in a hard position because if he is lying I don't want to give away the werewolves ,but if he is telling the truth I am town and he is the minion and I know the werewolves

[DoomYoshi]

So if Marashu was robber and stole Minion he would know that he couldn't get away with that gambit. He must be Tanner. We have our 2 non-lynches in madmitch:minion, marashu: tanner. Well done BuJaber, I think many were convinced by that crazy double fake. Coincidentally, it's the weirdest one I've seen.

[DoomYoshi]

50/50 Falko/Ragian hits scum.

[Ragian]

If Mitch it telling the truth, which I think he is,

IF? Think?

You're the only one who could say for sure if mitch is lying. Doesn't matter what he used to have. IF you have villager card right now because you robbed it from mitch that clears both of you as town.

I think I just caught you lying. I didn't notice this before.

About time someone caught on,I was never the witch the question is ,is Mars telling the truth about being robber? I think so and IF sothen I am town and know what's what?

What? Were you lying about being the witch? I don't understand this post, mitch.

@BuJ, I agree with your points (having blinders on here, apparently, as I completely ignored the notion (which we have no way of checking) that Doom says he switched you and Falko). Let's figure that out when I understand what mitch is on about.

@Doom, that makes no sense. If you switched Falko and BuJ, either of those two had to be a werewolf in order for the other to be a werewolf after your switch. Why on earth wouldn't they then out the other? Unless, of course, they're both werewolves.

@Mitch, I need to understand this: You claimed witch in order to see if anyone would go along with you because you knew that you had been switched? Am I getting this right? You're saying, however, that HE is the minion? What does that make you? Also (and quite important if you're stuck in my shoes), you cannot confirm that there's one villager in the pile in the centre. Am I getting this right?