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Iraqis wish America and UK had never deposed Saddam

Postby mrswdk on Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:12 am

On the morning of 9 April, Kadhim wanted his own personal moment of liberation and revenge. He took his sledgehammer and began to swing it at the plinth beneath the towering bronze dictator.

When the Americans arrived they looped a steel cable round the bronze Saddam's head and used a winch to help Kadhim finish the job. It all happened live on international TV. The image of furious and delighted Iraqis slapping the fallen statue with their shoes went around the world.

Kadhim said his story was told to President George W Bush in the Oval Office. But he now wishes he had left his sledgehammer at home.

Kadhim, like many Iraqis, blames the invaders for starting a chain of events that destroyed the country. He longs for the certainties and stability of Saddam's time.

First, he says, he realised it was not going to be liberation, but occupation. Then he hated the corruption, mismanagement and violence in the new Iraq. Most of all he despises Iraq's new leaders.

"Saddam has gone, and we have one thousand Saddams now," he says. "It wasn't like this under Saddam. There was a system. There were ways. We didn't like him, but he was better than those people."

"Saddam never executed people without a reason. He was as solid as a wall. There was no corruption or looting, it was safe. You could be safe."

Many Iraqis echo that. Saddam's regime was harsh, and it could be murderous. He led the country into a series of disastrous wars and brought crippling international sanctions down on their heads.

But with the benefit of 13 years of hindsight, the world that existed before 9 April 2003 seems to be a calmer, more secure place. They have not had a proper day of peace since the old regime fell.

I asked Kadhim he would do if he could meet Tony Blair.

"I would say to him you are a criminal, and I'd spit in his face."

And what would he say to George Bush?

"I'd say you're criminal too. You killed the children of Iraq. You killed the women and you killed the innocent. I would say the same to Blair. And to the coalition that invaded Iraq. I will say to them you are criminals and you should be brought to justice."

As for democracy, many I have spoken to believe the hopelessly sectarian political system is broken. At least, they say, law and order existed under Saddam.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36706265
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Re: Iraqis wish America and UK had never deposed Saddam

Postby riskllama on Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:18 am

no surprise there.
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Re: Iraqis wish America and UK had never deposed Saddam

Postby notyou2 on Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:53 pm

Well DUH!
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Re: Iraqis wish America and UK had never deposed Saddam

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:34 pm

So when the Brits want Brexit they are dumb-dumbs, but when Iraqis want Hussein, they are brilliant! I think I get where this is going - criticism only works on countries that are doing well.
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Re: Iraqis wish America and UK had never deposed Saddam

Postby riskllama on Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:05 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:So when the Brits want Brexit they are dumb-dumbs, but when Iraqis want Hussein, they are brilliant! I think I get where this is going - criticism only works on countries that are doing well.

nah, the brits did it to themselves. the iraqis, not so much...
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Re: Iraqis wish America and UK had never deposed Saddam

Postby The asylum on Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:22 pm

riskllama wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:So when the Brits want Brexit they are dumb-dumbs, but when Iraqis want Hussein, they are brilliant! I think I get where this is going - criticism only works on countries that are doing well.

nah, the brits did it to themselves. the iraqis, not so much...


There's a world of difference to the outcome of these though. Now that Britain is not held back under European red tape we'll flourish. While the rest of Europe, especially the southern countries will continue to go under.
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Re: Iraqis wish America and UK had never deposed Saddam

Postby riskllama on Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:23 pm

um, you failed to mention the "iraqi outcome"... :-s
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Re: Iraqis wish America and UK had never deposed Saddam

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:31 pm

Pretty sure the Iraqi's hung Saddam themselves. Dragged his lifeless corpse around afterwards. Least this is what I was told by folks fighting in the war way before I entered.
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Re: Iraqis wish America and UK had never deposed Saddam

Postby The asylum on Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:13 am

riskllama wrote:um, you failed to mention the "iraqi outcome"... :-s


Not so good thus far but hopefully in time it'll become stable.

I'd like to see Blair imprisoned for his part in this whole sordid affair. Possibly the only thing in this world that I agree with the flat chested bitter little dwarf chink on. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to get medieval and spill her innards all over the street though.

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Re: Iraqis wish America and UK had never deposed Saddam

Postby BrutalBob on Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:03 am

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Pretty sure the Iraqi's hung Saddam themselves. Dragged his lifeless corpse around afterwards. Least this is what I was told by folks fighting in the war way before I entered.


Thats pretty much how they do a funeral over there.

Sometimes they burn a few flags.
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Re: Iraqis wish America and UK had never deposed Saddam

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:12 am

BrutalBob wrote:
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Pretty sure the Iraqi's hung Saddam themselves. Dragged his lifeless corpse around afterwards. Least this is what I was told by folks fighting in the war way before I entered.


Thats pretty much how they do a funeral over there.

Sometimes they burn a few flags.

Sometimes they take a shit in a river, then bathe in it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: Iraqis wish America and UK had never deposed Saddam

Postby riskllama on Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:19 pm

how do u feel about Blackwater/l'academie/triple canopy, etc. DDS? I am genuinely curious.
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Re: Iraqis wish America and UK had never deposed Saddam

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:31 pm

Private military contractors in general? I never really gave them that much thought. I know they were contracted out to hold high valued areas (you guessed it, oil), but I personally never seen them overseas. I can sorta see the benefit of having them, capable of operating outside of the RoE, but it can be a two edged sword. If I knew someone in there I'm pretty sure I'd have more to talk about but it's a subject lost on me mostly.

Side note, wanted to join them, but the prerequisites last I heard is either make it to E-7 or E-8 or have some sort of SF background, I lacked both and never bothered.
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