Random Historical Mafia(The Gunpowder Plot); Town Win!

[dakky21]

I actually started the case on Mitch. I did not just "jump" in. I will admit my mistake was not keeping my vote off so mafia could hammer and kill any further discussion. I could feel you cringe every time Mitch posted thinking he was helping his team. Now that we know Mitch was scum I ask everyone to re read the game, not hard cause its short. Notice the dynamic between Mitch and Mets?? It's like Mets wants absolutely nothing to do with Mitch because Mitch tries Soooo hard to play the way he thinks mafia can help his team, that it becomes comical watching how he hurts them.

I really look forward to continuing this discussion but if I am killed???

Mets is scum. Trust me

My post of substance:
Actually, I started the case on Mitch with his joke vote being in orange color. Meta said he is scum again, just like in last game. He doesn't post joke votes in orange if he is town. So actually, you did "jump" in. Just saying.

The Mets theory is justified but could be wrong. Let's see what happens tonight and if I die, check HotShot's case. I truly believe he could be scum, jumping to every vote and even trying to hammer me D1.

[william18]

Day 3: The Sheriff of Worcestershire
November 3st, 1605

As the men come back to the hall to resume their meeting place, they see again that one of the attendees is absent.

They send the guards to check his living arrangements. He was no where to be found.

"Check the police station, and the jails".

After a few hours, the guards scoured all of these places. Finally they found him. In the Jail House. Sitting in a chair overlooking a row of cells, with a bullet in his head.


Ragian - Richard Walsh, Sheriff of Worchestershire (Jailkeeper) has been killed.

Day 3 has begun

[Metsfanmax]

I actually started the case on Mitch. I did not just "jump" in. I will admit my mistake was not keeping my vote off so mafia could hammer and kill any further discussion. I could feel you cringe every time Mitch posted thinking he was helping his team. Now that we know Mitch was scum I ask everyone to re read the game, not hard cause its short. Notice the dynamic between Mitch and Mets?? It's like Mets wants absolutely nothing to do with Mitch because Mitch tries Soooo hard to play the way he thinks mafia can help his team, that it becomes comical watching how he hurts them.

I don't think I acknowledged mitch's inanity more than once before I voted for him, and that's pretty regular for me. It is true that I want absolutely nothing to do with mitch, but that's been true in every game I have played with him. The only time I have paid any attention at all to mitch was that time in the Surprise Mafia when he predicted the existence of the flying pumpkin with lasers shooting out of its ass, which I later realized is because he likes to go read about obscure roles.

Interesting that Ragian was the sheriff. That disproves my claim that the townies were all royalty or members of parliament, etc.

[BuJaber]

Well I'm guessing he protected N1's scum target from getting killed and now we'll never know who it was.

Mets suspected IB and vice versa... interesting. Don't know who to believe.

Hotshot might be a good person to lynch actually. I'll re read some stuff and build a case.

[Metsfanmax]

Mets suspected IB and vice versa... interesting. Don't know who to believe.

I didn't suspect IB. I already explained that to Ragian. I said him trusting greg was unwise, not alignment indicative.

[Iron Butterfly]

I am going to claim.

Thomas Knyvett, 1st Baron Knyvett - Town Cop

Good news and bad news. Night one I investigated Ragian. I was actually torn between Ptlow, who I came close to switching to and Rags. Both because they were always away and that is a tell for me. Not always the case but it raises flags. I picked Rags because on day one he seemed to also be pointing fingers at several people while settling on no one.

As of last night here was my list minus Rags as I just cut and pasted the list.

2. BuJaber - firmly believe to be Town. His tone and manner sealed it after initial doubt.

4. dakky21- more or less the same as Bujaber
5. WingCmdrGinkapo - he was on my short list to investigate BUT I choose not to because someone else is involved with him I have leaned Town most of the game and still do.
6. Iron Butterfly

8. gregwolf121- He was on my list to investigate and I have believed him to be mafia for most of it, until he questioned Mitch and all but said he tracked him. NOW one can still question Gregwold because Mets destroyed any oportunity to follow up same day and perhaps gather more information that could be helpful.
9. HotShot53- He is always a tuff read. He has been on my list as well BUT he also claimed an action that seemed to catch Mitch.
10. Marashu- Mafia
11. Metsfanmax- I beleive to be God Father
12. TimWoodBury- Tim also stated he had an action so I refrained.

In the end last night I investigated Marashu and he came back Mafia

I think with all the roles seemingly out there all will come out in the wash.

[Metsfanmax]

I hammered at the point that I did because I did not feel there was anything useful left to say on D2, and that if D2 continued on more townies would start giving up information unnecessarily. Evidently I was correct to do so, as IB was even hinting overnight that he had a valuable role, because for some reason people can't keep their mouth shut when they need to.

vote marashu

[Iron Butterfly]

I hammered at the point that I did because I did not feel there was anything useful left to say on D2, and that if D2 continued on more townies would start giving up information unnecessarily. Evidently I was correct to do so, as IB was even hinting overnight that he had a valuable role, because for some reason people can't keep their mouth shut when they need to.

vote marashu

Maybe that is true. If you are mafia what else can you say? It is not for you to decide either. You did not post all day only to hammer and kill all discussion. You were also on the verge of trying to make it seem I was mafia throwing Mitch under the bus for Town cred. I was not hinting, I was protecting my ass, which seemed to have worked out nicely. If you are who I think you are and knew I would flip cop would ya kill me??

If you were mafia and knew that by killing me a Town person would most likely be lynched would not mafia kill me??

I also do not want the same crap to happen today that happened yesterday. Marashu may be mafia but I want full discussion or at least for everyone to say what they need to say.

[Metsfanmax]

Maybe that is true. If you are mafia what else can you say?

If I were mafia why would I draw attention to myself like that by hammering? mitch was going to die anyway. I have played a game or two before.

It is not for you to decide either.

I was one of six people who voted for mitch, I do not consider it my decision only.

You did not post all day only to hammer and kill all discussion.

I didn't post all day because I had been completely booked on Tuesday -- I drove back and forth to DC in a single day -- and then the next day I had to catch up on work and couldn't really pay attention to the thread until the evening. By the time I was able to figure out what was going on, scum had been revealed.

You were also on the verge of trying to make it seem I was mafia throwing Mitch under the bus for Town cred.

I never made an argument remotely resembling this. I said greg might have done this, not you.

I was not hinting, I was protecting my ass, which seemed to have worked out nicely. If you are who I think you are and knew I would flip cop would ya kill me??

If I was scum you would have been dead last night. You made it comically obvious that you were something like a cop by hinting that bad things would happen if you were killed. The fact that you were calling me out wouldn't really have mattered, no one would suspect me of so brazenly killing you in that manner, and I'd gladly trade a risk of that for killing the cop.

Lynch me tomorrow, IDC, I'd rather be dead than have to play alongside this crap. Town will probably still win at this point.

[dakky21]

If I was scum you would have been dead last night. You made it comically obvious that you were something like a cop by hinting that bad things would happen if you were killed. The fact that you were calling me out wouldn't really have mattered, no one would suspect me of so brazenly killing you in that manner, and I'd gladly trade a risk of that for killing the cop.

Lynch me tomorrow, IDC, I'd rather be dead than have to play alongside this crap. Town will probably still win at this point.

Only if he is telling the truth, which I don't believe he is. I got my own reasons not to believe him. I will probably claim today, but I don't believe HIS claim.... he is not a cop.

[TimWoodbury]

vote marusa(on phone not sure of how its spelt).

Wing i omce again ask if you got any sort of result last night or n1.

Im asking because i still suspect you but willing to call you town if you answer truthfully

[Iron Butterfly]

So then who do you think is mafia? Mitch is dead. Marusha is caught and there is a short list.

Please don't play the elitist "you guys suck at mafia" card as it gets a tad old. Yeh mafia is a pain in the ass and can be frustrating but it also "Is what it is"

I have no problem stating I can be wrong. *grin* that does not mean I believe you either.

Your neck is not on the chopping block today and a lot can happen between now and tomorrow. Instead of cursing us incompetents why not show us how it's done?

[Iron Butterfly]

No one else vote please.

[HotShot53]

If I was scum you would have been dead last night. You made it comically obvious that you were something like a cop by hinting that bad things would happen if you were killed. The fact that you were calling me out wouldn't really have mattered, no one would suspect me of so brazenly killing you in that manner, and I'd gladly trade a risk of that for killing the cop.

Lynch me tomorrow, IDC, I'd rather be dead than have to play alongside this crap. Town will probably still win at this point.

Only if he is telling the truth, which I don't believe he is. I got my own reasons not to believe him. I will probably claim today, but I don't believe HIS claim.... he is not a cop.

Until you say why you don't believe he is a cop, no-one has anything except your say-so to go on. Could he be fake-claiming cop in order to get a mislynch, or to throw a partner under the bus to get major town cred? Anything is possible, but scum fake claiming cop is pretty rare. Obviously should hold off on voting until this is all cleared up.

[BuJaber]

GIANT WALL OF TEXT INCOMING. Bear with me.. and I appreciate anyone who actually reads the whole thing. (Top picks listed at the bottom)

Please explain.

Is it joke vote or do you have reasons?

Joke vote, mainly. Haven't really heard much from him, though, besides agreeing with HotShot.

vote metsfan this is random historical mafia so its could have been any random character yet he choose to bring in a seeminly random charater name into the mix (i googled the characer and found he was in on a plot to bomb and asinate the king at one point) and this main plot has to do with bombing a place putting 2 and 2 together here and its better then going on nothing....

@Dakky im thinking ALL characters here are semi dependant on there allignment unlike ur thinkng in this one.

I'd FoS you for googling Guy Fawkes if I didn't do the same thing. I wouldn't put it past Mets to know about Guy Fawkes beforehand. I'm more curious to find out why you want to know character names. The "Trust me, I'll have a good reason later" play doesn't usually work in these games. (I'm not asking you to claim D1 with no pressure, I just want to know how, roughly, you think it will benefit town to make the characters known). I know D1 mass claims can break the game if it wasn't balanced right, but that's a double-edged sword that could just be giving the mafia a kill list.

"Joke vote, mainly" I don't like this answer. It should be joke or not. If marashu had something new to go on it would be a new vote or FOS on hotshot, not an explanation of past voting.

First post where Marashu mentions a mass claim. He says it could be game breaking. Why would he care if he is town? If the game is unfairly balanced we as town can win it then everyone can share their thoughts and feedback later. Only people who might be worried about town having the upper hand is scum. Not proof... but made me wonder.

town has to eliminate all mafia members to win yes, but this doesn't hold true for scum, they win when its impossible for town to win. and yes the mod didn't say their was a deadline, but he also didn't say their wasn't.
my question right now is nothing more than speculation and doesn't necessarily need to be worried about right now. though id still be interested to hear peoples thoughts on the matter.

greg was very curious about the 5th of november thing. He spent a significant portion of his low post count on it. As town I felt it was a waste of time to discuss it, he didn't seem to agree. Now we could just have two different opinions, or we could be on different teams. Ie he could be scum.

However... with it being day 1.. how much time can we spend just talking? We have no actions to talk about, just pure guesses, and longer discussions are likely to create confusion which only helps scum. [...]
5 days is a quite a long time for 12 players though so it's possible the game ends before then anyway.

D1 12 players
N1 11 players
D2 10 players
N2 9 players
D3 8 players
N3 7 players
D4 6 players
N4 5 players
D5 4 players <- This would be the start of Nov 5. This, of course, assumes that we don't have a vigi and that nothing ends up blocking a kill. I don't know if we would need to kill the whole mafia or just Guy Fawkes by then, if it is a timed thing, but if it is, I think it's safe to assume no more than 3 mafia, since 4 mafia (33% of the starting players) would require us to not mislynch if we want to have them all dead by D5. So I guess 5 days is a long time, but ideally we would want it to end before D5, yeah?

As for D1, the longer discussion helps town in the long run. Once we start getting information later in the game, it's useful to see who is defending whom, who is interacting with whom, and so on. It can help build or solidify cases later on. So while they're probably causing some confusion right now, I doubt it's to achieve the lofty goal of a D1 mislynch.

That said...
Vote BuJaber

I don't like how you seem to be saying there's lots of time for discussion, but want to rush D1. That, and if we're gonna get a claim from someone, I think I'd rather have it sooner so we have time to discuss it, rather than be forcing claims right near deadline - especially if your claim somehow does trigger a character mass claim. I'm pretty sure my vote puts you at L-3 - IIRC, L-2 is normally where people are requested to claim, yes?

ptlowe, if you're lurking, come out and say hi.

2 bolded sections:
1. Nobody confirmed or could have confirmed there was a Guy Fawkes in the game except whoever is playing Guy Fawkes. Why did Marashu seem to think there definitely is a Guy?
2. First he doesn't want a mass claim, and now it seems he wants it to happen asap.. but doesn't want to start it. Unless I misunderstood this quote.

At least two of the people who voted for me already are scum. I refuse to believe 4 townies would have voted this fast. This should help town later. Also I already had suspected one of them, and this makes it clear in my mind. Sadly I'm not a vig.

I just find it interesting that I said two voters are scum at that point and now I'm thinking I was on to something. Mitch was one of them.. Marashu is 2nd??

There is a much easier case against Bujaber. Guy Fawkes was trying to assasinate the king, blowing up the houses of parliment was just the method. If Bujaber was really King James then by logic the game should end on his death.

What, and the Harry Potter game ends when Harry Potter dies? Batman mafia ends if Batman dies? That's never how this game works, you know better, which means you're intentionally obfuscating.

Harry Potter isnt a story about a single boy, its about good defeating evil. Harry Potter living is secondary to that endeavour. Same is true with batman.

1605 1st Nov is about Guy Fawkes and co trying to kill the king. Single entity not group.

Or are you to suggest next that town arent hunting Guy Fawkes? I mean your D1 play suggests hunting him is important, but you know fiction is irrelevant to mafia as per your latest post.

This part really stood out in the Wing vs Mets thing. I was going back and forth between who I agreed with most. This part makes me question Mets a little though.

I will unvote, as BuJaber's claim seems reasonable, I can see the King getting the governor role.

I don't really see the case on Dakky of him not standing out enough... he tried to lead the case on Mitch, didn't he?

And in Wing & Met's little spat, nothing all that scummy has come up... I'll believe Wing for now that the original post got edited when the theme changed etc, although that could just be a good excuse.

I re-read the thread again, and nothing lynchworthy is jumping out at me yet...

Totally passive post from HS that adds practically nothing. This is one of very few if not the only thing he said in the early pages.

quick summary
so the Bujaber case has ended in a claim, which since their has been no counterclaim odds are bujaber is telling the truth. only 2 ways to be absolutely sure, lynch bujaber. or lynch someone else and have bujaber stop the lynch. either way not a good idea right now.
the wing case has been dropped, for lack of solid evidence
the whole argument between wing and mets, basically i felt that it was going around in circles
the case on dakky seems to be going nowhere.

basically since the bujaber case we have been looking for a new direction to go. just what that direction should be im not sure yet. there were i few things i noticed while i was reading the recent posts, but i want to go back and reread the thread to see if they actually come out to anything.

Nice summary. Thanks. We begin here with people saying they have thoughts but not wanting to share them.

I'm not quite buying the meta read on dakky. In the last game I really remember being in with him (the Stack the Deck game), I was mafia and he was town, and I remember making a case on how quiet he was D1, then how follow-the-PR he was D2. Granted, it's different this time, since I'm town and don't actually know what he is, but based on his play so far, it's not screaming mafia to me.

Out of time, I'll try to post more tonight before bed.

This post caught my eye. It might be nothing. But I find it interesting that someone would remember and talk about a game in which they were mafia when they are supposedly town. It's not like anyone accused marashu of anything and used meta as evidence so he would feel obligated to provide contrary meta evidence.... possible scum tell?

@hotshot, what do you think of mitch now that you pointed to dakky leading the charge on him?

Well, even dakky gave up that charge once he realized no-one was following... I don't think it's enough "meta" that because someone does a joke vote in orange instead of red they should be lynched. It does seem a bit strange that dakky joined the BuJaber wagon after everyone else was getting off... not sure what to make of that.

Yes dakky's play was strange, and we tried to lynch him eventually. However, here we see hotshot defending Mitch. Might be nothing. But at this stage and with mitch flipping scum, we have to consider who played in a way that suggests they were allies.

I think I will keep my vote where it is for now, I just don't like his statement I am not Guy Fawkes , we can all say that, prove it who are you ? As for BuJaber even though I believe him ,I still can't see how his ability is good for town at this stage.Even though I am upset with Dakky and his meta I can't jump on that wagon yet ,I can't in good faith vote for someone because I am mad at them. I like to hear a bit more from PT and GregWolf

Interesting that mitch mentions PT and gregwolf, while ignoring Hotshot and marashu. (HS, marashu, and greg all posted once before him, and didn't say much, but he only named greg... hiding who his buddies are perhaps?)

Hung over. Just wanted to add that I think Greg's last input looked like "I'm still here, but not saying anything, merely summing up." That always raises red flags with me. He's promised more, though. Hotshot did sort of the same thing, I feel.

Here is what I was looking for... people Ragian may have put on a scum list. Greg .. 1 Hotshot .. 1.

I went back and reread the posts and found something interesting, WCG thought both Bujaber and Dakky were scum, look at the info, everyone was on BuJaber ,almost hung him, them we believed his story about being king, but Dakky jumped on him after people were getting of that band wagon, why ? maybe Dakky is right ,maybe Dakky is the real king and BuJaber is a decoy or maybe Dakky was the decoy and BuJaber will save Dakky after the hammer, or Wing was right all long and we all are being played the fool.

Anything that comes from mitch is interesting to me at this point. There might be hidden clues. Here one of the possibilities he raises is that Wing is right about both me and dakky being scum. Since then most people have felt that dakky and I told the truth about our alignment. This makes me feel that maybe mitch was supporting his buddy, Wing. Just wanted to make a note of this.

This makes no sense. The whole point of counterclaiming is to ensure that the other person gets lynched. If you were King and you counterclaimed him, BuJaber would be insta-lynched as a matter of policy. You would know that he was lying and therefore probably scum, so it would make sense. You wouldn't be at risk of a lynch, you would be if anything at risk of a mafia night-kill.

This part just caught my attention. Why would the 2nd person to claim be believed instantly? As town if I see 2 contradicting claims I'd have to analyze the posts and decide who is lying. I don't know if this says anything about Mets' alignment but I do not like this logic at all and I don't think town would be inclined to make lynch decisions as quickly as he is implying.

Wing with you pushing and voting dakky at this moment looks really nad on you. I do bealive my vote is on you but jist incase its not vote wingcommander

Terrible reason to vote for Wing at this stage. He was trying to force dakky to claim who was dodging peoples' questions. Townies would definitely put pressure on people for information because they're the ones who lack it.

Wow. That escalated quickly. I don't get why dakky isn't revealing his role and name. Surely, scum know enough already. Hotshot's hammer looks weird to me. Also, Greg hasn't returned.

So, is the day over?

More evidence for Ragian's potential scum list. Greg .. 2.

As for reads... my top town reads right now are Jaber and Wing - Wing mainly because he's been pretty unguarded, in my opinion (ie the fake claim post and the unsearchable character post). I don't think Jaber is fake claiming, and his role seems too broken in mafia hands to be mafia. Plus, I feel like he's at least been trying to scumhunt. dakky is probably town based on role. Top scum reads right now would be IB, who I feel isn't really pushing as hard as I might expect, and mitch - tough one to say for sure, but that case based on a joke before roles came out makes it feel like he's just trying to fling mud, and may have been skimming with posts ordered by author, rather than really trying to find scum. But yeah, without a D1 lynch flip, there's not as much info as I'd like, so I feel like my cases are kinda weak.

Marashu had IB as a suspect a while back. IB now says he is a cop who investigated Marashu and found him to be scum. Might be worth noting.

Thanks for showing up PT, I am not scum but can't prove it,I have a bad feeling about WCG and Mets, if someone whats to check me out they can,that is all I can say now ,hope to see Day 2

Any names mitch mentions are interesting to me. It might give us a clue when we need it. I don't think he would put the spotlight on his buddies. This would suggest that WCG and Mets are town.

I never understood people who wait with their thoughts. PT you should have wrote what you think about Mitch right away, not prolonging it even more while saying you didn't have time last week. Bad things happen when you wait too much. Crap.

His thoughts are just as good as anyone elses and no more or less accurate. It is easy to lament his loss because we now know he was Town doc.

I do find it odd he was chosen for death. He would have been at the top of my list to look at today along with other low profile players from yesterday.

Yes maybe you're right, but not being upset at all that we missed his thoughts? Really? Even if I have no idea what their alignment is, as town, I want people to share any thoughts they have.. You just never know what might be useful. Having nothing is definitely worse. This post made me suspect IB strongly, but his recent post has me all confused, and I will talk about it below.

I believe Tim is on the right track,WCG is acting scummy, and this notion that he can't find his name is hard to accept.FOS Wing.

I am inclined to think that this is pretty much confirming that Wing is town. There's throwing your allies under the bus ... but mentioning them twice within one page and building a case on them with nothing... AND right after Tim voted for Wing... Maybe what we should get from this is that Tim is scum here.

Tim now that we have a couple of names, one real and the other claimed but named, what was your theory or thought in regard to names on Day 1?

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my theory is that the characters are alignment related. Henry Percy, 9th Duke of Northumberland was parliament so he can call him good, Bu's character King James can also call good so im thinking im onto something with th characters being allignment related

Yes they probably are. It's a historical theme with a government and an assassination plot. This post is useless and a little suspicious. Maybe if he thought names would tell us everything and he is town (they can't because people can fake claim any name from that period), he would have mentioned his name here. He didn't.

Instinct has nothing to do with having a case, which you have all but admitted you do not. In other words your gut means shit.
It seems several are FOSing me for not pushing a "BIG"case against anyone and yet cant find crap themselves so they expect me to pull it out my ass? Meanwhile you were all agreeing on my sage wisdom in pointing out why The opening scene matters.

FOS is a waste of fucking time so stop acting like it means something. You have a case post it. If you dont stop acting like someone else should because you don't.

Vote Mitch I get tired of him playing like an idiot savant and getting a free pass because he is "Mitch"and his "meta" He has pretty much piggy backed on other people this game to beyond the point of annoyance...so yeh...

Or maybe this is the perfect time to throw mitch under the bus before he reveals his allies. IB might be right about FOS's being a waste of time.. but he's the only who has stated that opinion. Once or twice I mention him by name and he seems to quickly want to defend yourself. A little jumpy...

Mitch and Tim appears to be buddies and Tim seems desperate to be lynched, so am comfortable with both!

Vote Mitch

I am still unclear why there are votes on me.

Wing seems to have suspected Tim earlier too.. This makes me more inclined to trust my suspicions.

@Wing since greg is asking mitch if he did anything alst night may i ask if you did anything and if so to who did you do it to(dont need to say what you did just if you did and who)

HOWEVER...this made me stop and wonder about Tim. I'm not sure I have a case for or against him. This is basically a soft-claim from Tim.

I also do not believe mitch's claim, for other reasons. Looks like he's lynched now anyway

Everyone has their mysterious "other" reasons. We need more people to share. Hotshot's posts really have been lacking in both count and quality this game.

@BuJ, I've mentioned my top picks. I can reiterate: Hotshot and Greg (Greg might redeem himself, though). Also, BuJ, I tend to post more. What can I say? The exam period had me working more than usual being an external examiner, grading written exams, and blah blah blah. As mentioned before, it will be like this for almost two more weeks. When in a game, I will give it my best, but I'm also painfully aware of what these festivals do to my best intentions. If you want me subbed, let William and me know.

Wait, has mitch already been lynched? I must have misunderstood something along the way.

Hotshot and greg mentioned as suspects again.

OK gregwolf121, but by saying that you have info that applied specifically to madmitch and that you wanted to know specifically if he visited anyone last night, you have already effectively soft-claimed what your role is. Also, it was completely unnecessary to ask that question because backup doc is a role that cannot have visited anyone before he became doc, so if the information you have is what you're signalling (i.e. that you're a tracker/watcher) then you knew he was lying immediately.

This is also the reason why I didn't like IB immediately jumping onto the case with greg. Either greg is just giving away unnecessary information to scum, or this was part of a ploy to bus mitch and gain himself town points.

I really like this post and analysis.

First, just want to say that I'm heading out of town right after work tomorrow and get home sometime Sunday, so I won't be able to post at day start.

I don't like Mets coming in with the fast hammer, especially since mitch was so obviously scum by that point. Doesn't seem his usual play. But then, if mafia, why draw the attention to himself. Leaves me feeling more confused than anything.

However it does sound a lot like the sort of role you would make up if you searched for people who were alive at the time.

Do you think this means mitch made up his own claim, or do you think it was one provided by the mod, or do you think the mod didn't provide fake claims? Because if it's the latter, perhaps a mass character claim should be considered.

@HotShot, unless your reason was role related (which, after reading your post, I'm not sure it is), I don't see how your logic could be detrimental to town. If anything, it makes it look like you don't want to commit to why you thought mitch was scum (which we now clearly see he was).

One more thought. Mitch flipping goon shows the interesting possiblity that there are vanilla roles in the game.

mentioning mass claims again, this time in a positive light. Really going back and forth on that point. Goon does not mean vanilla. Goons can participate in kills and chat with other mafia. Suggesting there might be vanilla could suggest that Marashu wants the ability to claim vanilla later. A little suspicious.

Speaking if throwing team mates under the bus...

I actually started the case on Mitch. I did not just "jump" in. I will admit my mistake was not keeping my vote off so mafia could hammer and kill any further discussion. I could feel you cringe every time Mitch posted thinking he was helping his team. Now that we know Mitch was scum I ask everyone to re read the game, not hard cause its short. Notice the dynamic between Mitch and Mets?? It's like Mets wants absolutely nothing to do with Mitch because Mitch tries Soooo hard to play the way he thinks mafia can help his team, that it becomes comical watching how he hurts them.

I really look forward to continuing this discussion but if I am killed???

Mets is scum. Trust me

Yes I picked up parts of that. Not sure if it means Mets is scum though.

My post of substance:
Actually, I started the case on Mitch with his joke vote being in orange color. Meta said he is scum again, just like in last game. He doesn't post joke votes in orange if he is town. So actually, you did "jump" in. Just saying.

The Mets theory is justified but could be wrong. Let's see what happens tonight and if I die, check HotShot's case. I truly believe he could be scum, jumping to every vote and even trying to hammer me D1.

This might be one of the strongest cases so far. In addition to hotshot being featured several times above.

I am going to claim.

Thomas Knyvett, 1st Baron Knyvett - Town Cop

Good news and bad news. Night one I investigated Ragian. I was actually torn between Ptlow, who I came close to switching to and Rags. Both because they were always away and that is a tell for me. Not always the case but it raises flags. I picked Rags because on day one he seemed to also be pointing fingers at several people while settling on no one.

As of last night here was my list minus Rags as I just cut and pasted the list.

2. BuJaber - firmly believe to be Town. His tone and manner sealed it after initial doubt.

4. dakky21- more or less the same as Bujaber
5. WingCmdrGinkapo - he was on my short list to investigate BUT I choose not to because someone else is involved with him I have leaned Town most of the game and still do.
6. Iron Butterfly

8. gregwolf121- He was on my list to investigate and I have believed him to be mafia for most of it, until he questioned Mitch and all but said he tracked him. NOW one can still question Gregwold because Mets destroyed any oportunity to follow up same day and perhaps gather more information that could be helpful.
9. HotShot53- He is always a tuff read. He has been on my list as well BUT he also claimed an action that seemed to catch Mitch.
10. Marashu- Mafia
11. Metsfanmax- I beleive to be God Father
12. TimWoodBury- Tim also stated he had an action so I refrained.

In the end last night I investigated Marashu and he came back Mafia

I think with all the roles seemingly out there all will come out in the wash.

You couldn't back me up a little earlier against Ragian? I know I was wrong and that's part of the process..But I was the only one suggesting we look more closely at him and you claim you had the same idea but never mentioned it. IF you believe me to be town and are town yourself wouldn't you at least acknowledge it or something.. Maybe it's nothing .. maybe I'm just feeling upset that I had no support.
Interesting that you also pegged greg as scummy in the beginning.


DAKKY - I don't care if you claim or not. Please just tell me who you targeted N1 and N2. Please. lol.. I have tried to shorten a list of suspects and your input may or may not be helpful but I want to have as much information as I can get.


In conclusion these seem to be the top 3 lynch candidates:
1. Hotshot
2. Gregwolf
3. Marashu

Final post made by hotshot is interesting though, not typical of mafia to be so cautious. Then again, IB said nobody vote yet first, he could have just taken the idea from him. I will hold off just for a little while I wait for dakky and anyone else who will bless us with their information.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

vote marusa(on phone not sure of how its spelt).

Wing i omce again ask if you got any sort of result last night or n1.

Im asking because i still suspect you but willing to call you town if you answer truthfully

You are on your own with this.

I ask again, why should I answer?

[Ragian]

Go town!

[TimWoodbury]

vote marusa(on phone not sure of how its spelt).

Wing i omce again ask if you got any sort of result last night or n1.

Im asking because i still suspect you but willing to call you town if you answer truthfully

You are on your own with this.

I ask again, why should I answer?

If you answer i move on to asking someone else. You tell the truty i finally bealive you to be town lie and well why would you lie...i jist wanna know IF you got a result nothing about tje action taken

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

vote marusa(on phone not sure of how its spelt).

Wing i omce again ask if you got any sort of result last night or n1.

Im asking because i still suspect you but willing to call you town if you answer truthfully

You are on your own with this.

I ask again, why should I answer?

If you answer i move on to asking someone else. You tell the truty i finally bealive you to be town lie and well why would you lie...i jist wanna know IF you got a result nothing about tje action taken

Everyone thinks I am town anyway. I have nothing to gain, everything to lose by answering your question. If you want me to give, you have to give me something yourself.

Or move on

[TimWoodbury]

Fine i know for a fact you got no result the past 2 days onbyour night actions. If you lied and said you fot a result why would town lie and say they got a result....

[TimWoodbury]

But now you know why i was asking your obviously going to say yah i didnt get any results.

When this is supposed to be full non vanilla (obviouwly mod changes that part)

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Fine i know for a fact you got no result the past 2 days onbyour night actions. If you lied and said you fot a result why would town lie and say they got a result....

Oh so my role is investigative is it?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

What I will say, this does probably make Tim town. I'm not going to explain why.

[dakky21]

DAKKY - I don't care if you claim or not. Please just tell me who you targeted N1 and N2. Please. lol.. I have tried to shorten a list of suspects and your input may or may not be helpful but I want to have as much information as I can get.

I didn't visit anyone last two nights. Happy now? I just have a feeling about IB and HotShot.

What I will say, this does probably make Tim town. I'm not going to explain why.

We're all secret now, huh? If you're scum, does this make Tim scum as well?

[Iron Butterfly]

I am Cop. marashu is scum.

Dakky I want you to explain why I am not the cop.