Random Historical Mafia(The Gunpowder Plot); Town Win!

by **madmitch** on Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:35 pm

As everyone knows not voting in red does not count .it was a joke vote but that's Dakky being Dakky :roll:

but to vote for me because of a past game is just wrong. So you want to get everyones eyes on me and off you. nice try Bujaber. If there is a copper or anyone with powers that can see the truth take a look at us and see who's who?

by **BuJaber** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:26 am

fine by me; investigate away.

I stand by my reasoning.. It's still early and there's nothing substantial to go on yet.

by **Marashu** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:34 am

BuJaber, I'm wondering how putting pressure on mitch gets you information on dakky. They pretty much start every D1 with this, and while their bickering can help bring information on them, I feel like your logic is a bit backwards here.

mitch, the cop is going to investigate who the cop feels like investigating. They'll do it anyway - they're not going to do it just because you asked.

As for Mets, I guess I'm so used to Storr pulling stuff like that, I don't really see it as being either town or mafia, so I pretty much ignored it.

by **TimWoodbury** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:53 am

vote metsfan this is random historical mafia so its could have been any random character yet he choose to bring in a seeminly random charater name into the mix (i googled the characer and found he was in on a plot to bomb and asinate the king at one point) and this main plot has to do with bombing a place putting 2 and 2 together here and its better then going on nothing....

@Dakky im thinking ALL characters here are semi dependant on there allignment unlike ur thinkng in this one.

by **TimWoodbury** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:55 am

@BuJaber what makes you think metsfan is not skum??

what makes you side with dakky??

you seem to be buddying up with dakky do you know more about him already then we dont know??

by **BuJaber** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:39 am

TimWoodbury wrote:@BuJaber what makes you think metsfan is not skum??

what makes you side with dakky??

you seem to be buddying up with dakky do you know more about him already then we dont know??

Just a gut feeling about metsfan.

As for dakky: no I do not, I just think this is a good way to gather information. Some will disagree and that's fine. The point is not just to find information on this game but to also try out different strategies to see if they can be reused in other games.

For example it would be interesting to see what dakky does now that I voted with him. That first mitch vote may just be (from what I gather) his typical starting move. He also could have voted tim if he were to follow his joke vote meta. He didn't. I want to see if there's a reason for it.

BTW Tim - Mets brought up Guy Fawkes because of the introduction that William made, which is indicating that we're playing on the theme of the infamous gunpowder plot. However, you are correct in saying that it is random historical mafia, so we don't know yet if that has any real significance.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:01 am

The intro is very significant. It suggests the goal of the game for Town. Stop the bad guys from blowing up British Parliament. Guy Fawkes day is Nov 5th and the letter posted NOV 1st. There is a chronology to follow. The game may be titled "Random Historical" Mafia but we have no idea what that means. I could be wrong but I find it highly unlikely a "Good" Joker would be in this game. Random historical is also an oxymoron in that History follows a chronolgy and is not random,just like the three dates in the opening are not random. This is a mafia game we find the bad guys game over no matter the theme.

As far as Mets. His response certainly seemed out of character to me. Always so serious. If Mets is mafia I find it highly unlikely he would draw such early attention to himself. To say he "probably" was not Guy Fawkes I found rather amusing.

I do not agree with a 4 day time limit. It only benifits Mafia and encourages not posting or dragging down the game so as to no lynch or make a hasty lynch. Day one is usually a mislynch granted but with such a short day it only makes the odds of a mislynch worse.

by **Metsfanmax** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:09 am

TimWoodbury wrote:vote metsfan this is random historical mafia so its could have been any random character yet he choose to bring in a seeminly random charater name into the mix (i googled the characer and found he was in on a plot to bomb and asinate the king at one point) and this main plot has to do with bombing a place putting 2 and 2 together here and its better then going on nothing....

As IB points out, my post was not random, the date and year correspond to the time when Guy Fawkes and fellow conspirators attempted to blow up Parliament. As I said, I'm not Guy Fawkes, but I would be very surprised if he is not in the game as a character.

Anyway, I said it mainly so that we could skip the joke phase. I knew that people would say revealing things in response to it so I figured why not, let's go for it.

Currently my intuition is to lynch dakky. When he is town or 3P he usually engages in over-the-top banter designed to attract a lot of attention. His recent posts suggest he is trying to play pretty vanilla, which for him I think is a scum tell. And voting mitch is pretty much exactly what you want to do if you want to reveal as little as possible about your intentions, because you can always justify it by mitch being crazy.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:07 pm

Marashu wrote:Vote ptlowe because reasons.

Also, was half expecting the day to be a week, but I just noticed the OP says that days will only last 4 days. Just pointing that out in case other people tend to jump to the last page (like I usually do).

Please explain.

Is it joke vote or do you have reasons?

by **william18** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:30 pm

Vote Count:

Tim - ptlowe
Dakky21 - madmitch
Gregwolf121 - Ragian
Metsfanmax - Hotshot53, Timwoodbury
madmitch - Gregwolf121, BuJaber
ptlowe - Marashu

by **william18** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:31 pm

I should be a little more explicit with regards to the days. As long as the thread isn't dead, days will last a week, perhaps longer.

by **dakky21** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:37 pm

And you missed my vote on madmitch in the vote count.

Anyway, be it a joke vote or not, I can't explain my meta on mitch. It's just like we are stuck to each other, and I know how he plays and I see a different pattern when he is really town or really scum. So currently, my meta could be wrong, but I'll stick on him for now. Maybe we can get a claim.

by **Marashu** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:43 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:Please explain.

Is it joke vote or do you have reasons?

Joke vote, mainly. Haven't really heard much from him, though, besides agreeing with HotShot.

TimWoodbury wrote:vote metsfan this is random historical mafia so its could have been any random character yet he choose to bring in a seeminly random charater name into the mix (i googled the characer and found he was in on a plot to bomb and asinate the king at one point) and this main plot has to do with bombing a place putting 2 and 2 together here and its better then going on nothing....

@Dakky im thinking ALL characters here are semi dependant on there allignment unlike ur thinkng in this one.

I'd FoS you for googling Guy Fawkes if I didn't do the same thing. I wouldn't put it past Mets to know about Guy Fawkes beforehand. I'm more curious to find out why you want to know character names. The "Trust me, I'll have a good reason later" play doesn't usually work in these games. (I'm not asking you to claim D1 with no pressure, I just want to know how, roughly, you think it will benefit town to make the characters known). I know D1 mass claims can break the game if it wasn't balanced right, but that's a double-edged sword that could just be giving the mafia a kill list.

by **Metsfanmax** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:59 pm

Marashu wrote:I'd FoS you for googling Guy Fawkes if I didn't do the same thing. I wouldn't put it past Mets to know about Guy Fawkes beforehand.

I'm not exactly a history expert but I watch V for Vendetta at least once a year =/

by **gregwolf121** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:21 pm

first offunvote

secondly i saw mets Guy Fawkes reference as a joke, as Guy Fawkes tried to blow up parliament, and that fits the scenario, yes others have said this too.

third i think IB is on to something with the dates in the Day 1 scene, November 1st 1605. i'm wondering if the mod is following the timeline, i.e. there's a bomb set to go off on November 5th, and we have to stop it by then. thoughts?

by **madmitch** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:24 pm

@ Mets have not seen that movie for awhile,think I will watch tonight, did the same thing googled the name , but why would you state you are not him , ARE YOU NOT taking a risk,then who are you :?:

@ Dakky you want to claim ,go ahead have fun 8-[

by **TimWoodbury** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:05 pm

Marashu wrote:

TimWoodbury wrote:vote metsfan this is random historical mafia so its could have been any random character yet he choose to bring in a seeminly random charater name into the mix (i googled the characer and found he was in on a plot to bomb and asinate the king at one point) and this main plot has to do with bombing a place putting 2 and 2 together here and its better then going on nothing....

@Dakky im thinking ALL characters here are semi dependant on there allignment unlike ur thinkng in this one.

I'd FoS you for googling Guy Fawkes if I didn't do the same thing. I wouldn't put it past Mets to know about Guy Fawkes beforehand. I'm more curious to find out why you want to know character names. The "Trust me, I'll have a good reason later" play doesn't usually work in these games. (I'm not asking you to claim D1 with no pressure, I just want to know how, roughly, you think it will benefit town to make the characters known). I know D1 mass claims can break the game if it wasn't balanced right, but that's a double-edged sword that could just be giving the mafia a kill list.

my quote is exactly why i was wanting to know characters names. I was thinking that in THIS historical mafia game i was thinking everyones characters should be dependant on the allignment. as IB said above he also agrees in this case the chances of a "good" joker is slim to none in this as its historical case and it follows history. im glad i wasnt the only one who had to google guy fawkes i just aint much of a really old history person

by **BuJaber** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:13 pm

Mod seems pretty active/responsive and the day limit is not as final as I first thought. That means we can take our time discussing just don't forget to post to keep it alive.

However... with it being day 1.. how much time can we spend just talking? We have no actions to talk about, just pure guesses, and longer discussions are likely to create confusion which only helps scum.

Greg- yes I saw the timeline and noted the days.. but william specifically said town has to eliminate all mafia members to win. He said nothing about a deadline that we should worry about. 5 days is a quite a long time for 12 players though so it's possible the game ends before then anyway.

IB - any suggestions on what we should do? It's day 1.. people go with gut or meta. As much as we don't want a mislynch, it's better than a no lynch in my opinion, so we just need majority to agree on one target based on some rationale and we hope for the best.

Marashu - ptlowe IS being a little quiet.. hmm

by **gregwolf121** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:31 pm

town has to eliminate all mafia members to win yes, but this doesn't hold true for scum, they win when its impossible for town to win. and yes the mod didn't say their was a deadline, but he also didn't say their wasn't.
my question right now is nothing more than speculation and doesn't necessarily need to be worried about right now. though id still be interested to hear peoples thoughts on the matter.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:15 pm

BuJaber wrote:Mod seems pretty active/responsive and the day limit is not as final as I first thought. That means we can take our time discussing just don't forget to post to keep it alive.

However... with it being day 1.. how much time can we spend just talking? We have no actions to talk about, just pure guesses, and longer discussions are likely to create confusion which only helps scum.

Greg- yes I saw the timeline and noted the days.. but william specifically said town has to eliminate all mafia members to win. He said nothing about a deadline that we should worry about. 5 days is a quite a long time for 12 players though so it's possible the game ends before then anyway.

IB - any suggestions on what we should do? It's day 1.. people go with gut or meta. As much as we don't want a mislynch, it's better than a no lynch in my opinion, so we just need majority to agree on one target based on some rationale and we hope for the best.

Marashu - ptlowe IS being a little quiet.. hmm

I am curious as to why you are looking at me for answers when you have already seemed to answer the questions.

by **BuJaber** on Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:21 am

Iron Butterfly wrote:
I am curious as to why you are looking at me for answers when you have already seemed to answer the questions.

I talk too much, sometimes I forget other people aren't the same way :mrgreen:

.

That said I was curious to see if you'd come up with an initial scum tell or something. And to stick to my pattern I will answer this one too and say that it's early and you probably don't want to make any moves that aren't well thought out and deliberate.

I'm gonna stop now.

by **madmitch** on Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:24 am

@ BuJaber ,why are you asking I.B. for his opinion ? are you two partners or something ? FOS BuJaber ,

by **Ragian** on Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:59 am

I quite liked mets's facetious reply. I think BuJ's FOS on him is weak and it is weird that he looks for IB for the right path (not because IB isn't a great player and all that jazz, but because IB could be scum, so it's weird that anyone town would look to others for directions D1).

unvote vote BuJaber

by **madmitch** on Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:44 am

Just finished watching V for Vendetta ,forgot how good the movie was. BuJaber you are acting like a follower not a leader so you might be the bomber :-s

It just seems strange that right out of the gate you follow Dakky and voted for me and now you are asking I.B. for advice ,and yes I read your reason but I think you screwed up and you are two late to shut the timer off

so VOTE BuJaber

by **Iron Butterfly** on Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:31 am

I will have to agree. He was saying there was nothing to go on as there was no information and it being day one and all. I even found how he backed off a bit weird in that he knew he screwed up.Now does that make him scum or is it an honest mistake. I can not say but he has made himself the day one case. We need a claim, which I think will be important for this game.

Vote Bujaber

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