When will paedophilia be legal?

[rishaed]

Just as simply as the first time love was redefined via marriage rights based on tax codes, as soon as a single un-elected lifetime appointed state supreme court judge from a single state feels like coming out of the closet as a pedophile that refuses to be discriminated against any longer overturns a democratically derived Constitutional amendment by ruling...

"Love is a universally fundamental human right; therefore everyone who is under 18 is being discriminated against.'

in addendum - 'There are already some far more evolved European countries that are and have been allowing ALL it's citizens to exercise their right to love'

In short, a universal human right does not kick in only on a human beings 18th birthday, and the government should be granting and respecting human rights equally.

Anything that can be redefined can and should expect to be redefined again.

Hey champ, as far as I know paedophilia is forbidden everywhere in europe as well.

Not really. All European states (as far as I'm aware) allow sexual activity with children under the age of 18, they just tend to draw the line somewhere in the mid- to late-teens rather than out-and-out legalizing it for all children.

Then again, the same is true in a lot of American states and has been for some time, so I think Phats has rather missed the boat with this one.

There is a difference: pedophilia as a term refers to sex with pre-puberty kids. Most european countries set the age of consent somewhere in their teens. Technically this isn't pedophilia. That's how it is in most of the world.


shades of blue(light to dark): 13-16
shades of green(light to dark): 17-19
pink: must be married

I think Wauwws definition is probably the best one? Also I hope it never gets legalized. And even if it does doesn't mean that it is right. A lot of things have been "legal" that doesn't mean that they are right.

[Army of GOD]

There is a difference between having sex with a postpubescent teen and a prepubescent kid. Like, an 18 year old porking a 16 year old is defined as pedophilia but I doubt most people believe that.

[The asylum]

Just as simply as the first time love was redefined via marriage rights based on tax codes, as soon as a single un-elected lifetime appointed state supreme court judge from a single state feels like coming out of the closet as a pedophile that refuses to be discriminated against any longer overturns a democratically derived Constitutional amendment by ruling...

"Love is a universally fundamental human right; therefore everyone who is under 18 is being discriminated against.'

in addendum - 'There are already some far more evolved European countries that are and have been allowing ALL it's citizens to exercise their right to love'

In short, a universal human right does not kick in only on a human beings 18th birthday, and the government should be granting and respecting human rights equally.

Anything that can be redefined can and should expect to be redefined again.

There's no truth in what you say about European countries being open to this shit! The way things are going with people making excuses for mentalmillnesses though it will be.

[tzor]

I'm thinking by around 2052.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

That's so funny ...

Where?

I was just listening to Andrew Wilkow talk about this just today. There is already considerable pressure among liberal rags to bring sympathy for such perverts and an attempt to remove it as a mental disorder just as homosexuality was removed as a sexual disorder. I suspect that you will see it happen first in the UK.

Never the less, once the Democratic Party in the US realize that they can take this minority of a minority population and run with them, it will become a major political issue, just as opening up bathrooms to trans-gendered people is now (or the "War on women who aren't really women") and you will see the lowering of the age of consent significantly.

(These are the same people who for some reason want to be invaded by a religious movement started by a pedophile.)

Assuming that good doesn't triumph over evil. 5-10 years in the UK and 10-15 years in the US.

[AndyDufresne]

Never the less, once the Democratic Party in the US realize that they can take this minority of a minority population and run with them, it will become a major political issue, just as opening up bathrooms to trans-gendered people is now (or the "War on women who aren't really women") and you will see the lowering of the age of consent significantly.

(These are the same people who for some reason want to be invaded by a religious movement started by a pedophile.)

Assuming that good doesn't triumph over evil. 5-10 years in the UK and 10-15 years in the US.

--Andy

[mrswdk]

Never the less, once the Democratic Party in the US realize that they can take this minority of a minority population and run with them, it will become a major political issue, just as opening up bathrooms to trans-gendered people is now (or the "War on women who aren't really women") and you will see the lowering of the age of consent significantly.

(These are the same people who for some reason want to be invaded by a religious movement started by a pedophile.)

Assuming that good doesn't triumph over evil. 5-10 years in the UK and 10-15 years in the US.

--Andy

tzor confirmed as Phatscotty's multi.

[betiko]

Hey tzor... Do you mean that there will be one government one day that will protect pedophiles as much as perverted priests are protected by the church? I'm pretty sure that will never happen, not even by 2052

[tzor]

I was just listening to Andrew Wilkow talk about this just today. There is already considerable pressure among liberal rags to bring sympathy for such perverts and an attempt to remove it as a mental disorder just as homosexuality was removed as a sexual disorder. I suspect that you will see it happen first in the UK.

It's normally takes a while for Andrew to post his pile of prep. Here is the link: Conference aims to normalize pedophilia

If a small group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals have their way at a conference this week, pedophiles themselves could play a role in removing pedophilia from the American Psychiatric Association’s bible of mental illnesses — the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), set to undergo a significant revision by 2013. Critics warn that their success could lead to the decriminalization of pedophilia.

The August 17 Baltimore conference is sponsored by B4U-ACT, a group of pro-pedophile mental health professionals and sympathetic activists. According to the conference brochure, the event will examine “ways in which minor-attracted persons [pedophiles] can be involved in the DSM 5 revision process” and how the popular perceptions of pedophiles can be reframed to encourage tolerance.

Hey tzor... Do you mean that there will be one government one day that will protect pedophiles as much as perverted priests are protected by the church? I'm pretty sure that will never happen, not even by 2052

Oh no. The church (and a whole lot of other institutions as well) avoided controversy while at the same time going under the misguided notion that such people were suffering from a curable disease. If the conference has any way, pedophiles will become as acceptable as homosexuals and heterosexuals. In short it will be their right to have sex with minors an the minors right to have sex with them and there won't be a damn thing you will be able to do about it; even you are the parent of the minor. In fact you might even be branded a bigot for just thinking that this isn't normal, right and proper.

[Phatscotty]

Just as simply as the first time love was redefined via marriage rights based on tax codes, as soon as a single un-elected lifetime appointed state supreme court judge from a single state feels like coming out of the closet as a pedophile that refuses to be discriminated against any longer overturns a democratically derived Constitutional amendment by ruling...

"Love is a universally fundamental human right; therefore everyone who is under 18 is being discriminated against.'

in addendum - 'There are already some far more evolved European countries that are and have been allowing ALL it's citizens to exercise their right to love'

In short, a universal human right does not kick in only on a human beings 18th birthday, and the government should be granting and respecting human rights equally.

Anything that can be redefined can and should expect to be redefined again.

Hey champ, as far as I know paedophilia is forbidden everywhere in europe as well.

Oops. I was thinking of incest being totes kewl in many advanced evolved European countries. At least that was the addendum though and not the actual ruling so totes kewl totes. However parents can marry their children in at least a few European countries which neatly one-ups the pedophilia aspect so this is kinda like the mystery chunk missing from the moon. It does in fact look like a chunk is missing, but really there isn't.

My bad yo

please name just 1 country (in the entire world) in which marring your child is legal.
I hope you were joking... If you're not, stop watching fox news and speaking out of your ass.

If I can name one (of many!) then will you admit either it is you who watch FOX news or it is you who speaketh out of thoust asseth?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I was just listening to Andrew Wilkow talk about this just today. There is already considerable pressure among liberal rags to bring sympathy for such perverts and an attempt to remove it as a mental disorder just as homosexuality was removed as a sexual disorder. I suspect that you will see it happen first in the UK.

It's normally takes a while for Andrew to post his pile of prep. Here is the link: Conference aims to normalize pedophilia

If a small group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals have their way at a conference this week, pedophiles themselves could play a role in removing pedophilia from the American Psychiatric Association’s bible of mental illnesses — the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), set to undergo a significant revision by 2013. Critics warn that their success could lead to the decriminalization of pedophilia.

The August 17 Baltimore conference is sponsored by B4U-ACT, a group of pro-pedophile mental health professionals and sympathetic activists. According to the conference brochure, the event will examine “ways in which minor-attracted persons [pedophiles] can be involved in the DSM 5 revision process” and how the popular perceptions of pedophiles can be reframed to encourage tolerance.

Hey tzor... Do you mean that there will be one government one day that will protect pedophiles as much as perverted priests are protected by the church? I'm pretty sure that will never happen, not even by 2052

Oh no. The church (and a whole lot of other institutions as well) avoided controversy while at the same time going under the misguided notion that such people were suffering from a curable disease. If the conference has any way, pedophiles will become as acceptable as homosexuals and heterosexuals. In short it will be their right to have sex with minors an the minors right to have sex with them and there won't be a damn thing you will be able to do about it; even you are the parent of the minor. In fact you might even be branded a bigot for just thinking that this isn't normal, right and proper.

All in all, what a ridiculous post. That's like saying murder or theft would become legal if psychopathy or kleptomania were removed from the dsm.

These things were crimes long before any type of rigorous psychology, and will continue to be irrespective of their status in the dsm. Whether pedophilia (or more likely ephebophilia or whatever it's called) remains classified or not as a mental illness would have no effect on its legality. The dsm is not a legal document.

-TG

[GabonX]

With that last comment I was just pointing out that 'pedophilia' is legal in quite a lot of US states as well as European ones.

an 18 year old porking a 16 year old is defined as pedophilia

well it depends on the case, like if you have a couple between a 20yo and a 17yo for example, it's not the same thing that if they are 60 and 17.

In both those cases it's still pedophilia on the part of the legal adult.

None of these comments describes pedophilia .

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2] Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.[1] A person who is diagnosed with pedophilia must be at least 16 years old, but adolescents must be at least five years older than the prepubescent child for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilia.[1][2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

Trying to seduce minors is wrong, but none of the situations you guys are describing are examples of pedophilia. Pedophilia is not a catch all term applicable to adults who are sexually attracted to teens under the age of 18 as you guys are using it. It's a specific disorder defined by the characteristics described above, key being that the children in question are pre puberty.

[mrswdk]

People used to say homosexuality was a psychiatric disorder as well.

[macbone]

Hey, man, Huxley was right about a lot of other things. You might as well add society's eventual acceptance of child sex to the list (although in fairness to Huxley, even he couldn't forsee something like pedophilia becoming something morally acceptable).

[mrswdk]

These things go in cycles. Ancient Roman, Greek, Persian, Celtic, Japanese etc. cultures all practiced some form of pederasty. Modern Western society is probably not far off returning to the starting point.

[betiko]

These things go in cycles. Ancient Roman, Greek, Persian, Celtic, Japanese etc. cultures all practiced some form of pederasty. Modern Western society is probably not far off returning to the starting point.

where on earth do you feel like pedophilia has become more acceptable?
seriously... can anybody talk about facts and stop the brain wanking?

[mrswdk]

These things go in cycles. Ancient Roman, Greek, Persian, Celtic, Japanese etc. cultures all practiced some form of pederasty. Modern Western society is probably not far off returning to the starting point.

where on earth do you feel like pedophilia has become more acceptable?
seriously... can anybody talk about facts and stop the brain wanking?

My point was more about how society (particularly in Europe, but also in many other regions around the world) is opening up in general, although on a more specific note it could be pointed out that in Europe adult-child sexual relationships have become a subject of academic research and discourse (e.g. Sandfort) and that children are in general becoming more openly sexualized (e.g. the marketing of padded swimsuits and make-up to pre-pubescent girls).

Not to mention, of course, that in many countries the marriage of female children to adult men is still commonplace in 2016. Countries with an Islamic culture spring to mind, although a colleague of mine whose family are Indian said that when her grandparents married her grandfather was 20 and her grandmother was 13.

[betiko]

These things go in cycles. Ancient Roman, Greek, Persian, Celtic, Japanese etc. cultures all practiced some form of pederasty. Modern Western society is probably not far off returning to the starting point.

where on earth do you feel like pedophilia has become more acceptable?
seriously... can anybody talk about facts and stop the brain wanking?

My point was more about how society (particularly in Europe, but also in many other regions around the world) is opening up in general, although on a more specific note it could be pointed out that in Europe adult-child sexual relationships have become a subject of academic research and discourse (e.g. Sandfort) and that children are in general becoming more openly sexualized (e.g. the marketing of padded swimsuits and make-up to pre-pubescent girls).

Not to mention, of course, that in many countries the marriage of female children to adult men is still commonplace in 2016. Countries with an Islamic culture spring to mind, although a colleague of mine whose family are Indian said that when her grandparents married her grandfather was 20 and her grandmother was 13.

well yes, sorry there are all the countries where marriage can happen extremely young, even prepubert, being in africa or in asia, due to family agreements. I wouldn't really call it pedophilia though, because the groom didn't necesairly choose to be married with a prepubert/extremly young girl; or he can also wait a few years before having sex with his wife until she's pubert.
It's more of a tradition/culture issue rather than a true deviant behaviour.

What is really scrary is what some parents are willing to do with their kids to get a few bucks in thailand or other third world countries wheresome perverts take advantage and go on sex tours to f*ck kids.

But I absolutely don't agree about europe. At least in southern europe... A pedophile is seen at least as horrible as a serial killer or a terrorist. An adult fucking a prepubert... that's kind of the worse thing a person can be accused of.

[mrswdk]

These things go in cycles. Ancient Roman, Greek, Persian, Celtic, Japanese etc. cultures all practiced some form of pederasty. Modern Western society is probably not far off returning to the starting point.

where on earth do you feel like pedophilia has become more acceptable?
seriously... can anybody talk about facts and stop the brain wanking?

My point was more about how society (particularly in Europe, but also in many other regions around the world) is opening up in general, although on a more specific note it could be pointed out that in Europe adult-child sexual relationships have become a subject of academic research and discourse (e.g. Sandfort) and that children are in general becoming more openly sexualized (e.g. the marketing of padded swimsuits and make-up to pre-pubescent girls).

Not to mention, of course, that in many countries the marriage of female children to adult men is still commonplace in 2016. Countries with an Islamic culture spring to mind, although a colleague of mine whose family are Indian said that when her grandparents married her grandfather was 20 and her grandmother was 13.

well yes, sorry there are all the countries where marriage can happen extremely young, even prepubert, being in africa or in asia, due to family agreements. I wouldn't really call it pedophilia though, because the groom didn't necesairly choose to be married with a prepubert/extremly young girl; or he can also wait a few years before having sex with his wife until she's pubert.

I'm on my work laptop so I'm not going to Google examples to disprove you, but I highly doubt all those husbands go 'she's only 13, better leave that one to mature for 5-6 years'. Plus, we are talking about the legalization and social acceptability of adult-child relationships, not the amount of people who actually act upon the legalization. So the point here is that in many countries such relationships are legal and accepted.

It's more of a tradition/culture issue rather than a true deviant behaviour.

Well, yes. Behaviors are only considered 'deviant' in societies where they are outlawed or otherwise unaccepted. In many countries adult-child marriages are considered deviant, in others they are considered not deviant. The discussion at hand in this thread is, at what point will adult-child relationships stop being considered deviant in places such as Europe?

What is really scrary is what some parents are willing to do with their kids to get a few bucks in thailand or other third world countries wheresome perverts take advantage and go on sex tours to f*ck kids.

Good point. There are who industries built around pedophilia in many countries, notably in SE Asia. Also worth noting that their business models are sustained almost entirely by the money of North American and Western European clients, so there is clearly a demand for it in the developed world.

But I absolutely don't agree about europe. At least in southern europe... A pedophile is seen at least as horrible as a serial killer or a terrorist. An adult fucking a prepubert... that's kind of the worse thing a person can be accused of.

For now. It wasn't so long ago that homosexuals and Jews were reviled across Europe, and they've both done a good job of breaking down those walls.

[AndyDufresne]

--Andy

[Phatscotty]

People used to say homosexuality was a psychiatric disorder as well.

One thing that can never be changed - Phatscotty called it

[waauw]

I have to admit, mrswdk isn't entirely wrong. Pedophilia, though still forbidden, is in Belgium considered a psychiatric disorder. Pedophiles who go to prison undergo psychiatric treatment and, according to what I remember of the belgian statistics, about half of them will commit the crime again after being released from prison. Personally I'd rather they receive life sentences or death penalties.

[Phatscotty]

People used to say homosexuality was a psychiatric disorder as well.

People used to say murder was wrong...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aB766gdqdw&t=4m00s

[mrswdk]

I have to admit, mrswdk isn't entirely wrong. Pedophilia, though still forbidden, is in Belgium considered a psychiatric disorder. Pedophiles who go to prison undergo psychiatric treatment and, according to what I remember of the belgian statistics, about half of them will commit the crime again after being released from prison. Personally I'd rather they receive life sentences or death penalties.

The death penalty? Jesus.

[The asylum]

Homosexuality is a mental disorder! The sufferers of this disorder are more likely to have paedophile tendencies! As long as people keep trying to normalise individuals with mental disorders then we are heading in the direction of normalising all manner of behaviour.

These creatures need to be castrated or killed as soon as they show a liking for youngsters. They are more likely to commit murder to cover their perverted actions. And one dead child is worth more than 1m of these monsters! However, with law and order facing massive austerity cuts and stupid libtards whining about human rights this problem will get worse until the point it's completely legal.

Everything that was wrote in this thread before this post is complete bullshit and unworthy of reading. Thank you and f*ck all you!

[mrswdk]

Personally I'd rather they receive life sentences or death penalties.

These creatures need to be castrated or killed as soon as they show a liking for youngsters.

Europeans once again living up to their reputation for decadent liberalism in this thread.