Congratulations Sadiq Khan- new mayor of London

[mrswdk]

The difference between 'City of London' and 'London' can be explained in one sentence, as you just demonstrated. 'London' is the city as a whole, the 'City of London' is one borough within London.

What makes the matter complicated is Sym (as per) making factually incorrect statements about the UK's political infrastructure. I am reminded of the time he insisted that the UK Government doesn't have an official position on the EU referendum, despite the fact that it very definitely does.

[Symmetry]

The difference between 'City of London' and 'London' can be explained in one sentence, as you just demonstrated. 'London' is the city as a whole, the 'City of London' is one borough within London.

What makes the matter complicated is Sym (as per) making factually incorrect statements about the UK's political infrastructure. I am reminded of the time he insisted that the UK Government doesn't have an official position on the EU referendum, despite the fact that it very definitely does.

Not exactly mate, the City of London is also a county within London, and a city in its own right, as well as a borough in Greater London.

It is funny when you try to explain politics.

[mrswdk]

Except that in the context of 'Sadiq is mayor of London' we are clearly talking about the metropolis of London, which is what his title refers to. 'London' does not have two mayors.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

The difference between 'City of London' and 'London' can be explained in one sentence, as you just demonstrated. 'London' is the city as a whole, the 'City of London' is one borough within London.

What makes the matter complicated is Sym (as per) making factually incorrect statements about the UK's political infrastructure. I am reminded of the time he insisted that the UK Government doesn't have an official position on the EU referendum, despite the fact that it very definitely does.

Not exactly mate, the City of London is also a county within London, and a city in its own right, as well as a borough in Greater London.

It is funny when you try to explain politics.

If you are going to be petty, then be right.

There are only 32 boroughs of London. The City of London is not a borough of London.

[thegreekdog]

This is the non-fun part of Symmetry - he will harrangue on this minor issue until he destroys the viability of this thread.

[mrswdk]

His general pattern seems to be:

- wades into the discussion trying to make a genuine point
- is called on a fairly basic error he has made
- attempts to save face by burying the mistake in an avalanche of trolling and pretend that being annoying was his intent all along

[thegreekdog]

His general pattern seems to be:

- wades into the discussion trying to make a genuine point
- is called on a fairly basic error he has made
- attempts to save face by burying the mistake in an avalanche of trolling and pretend that being annoying was his intent all along

+50 Saxbucks

[The asylum]

Khan got 56.9% of the final vote in a city where 12.4% of the population is Muslim. It's most likely that the vast majority of people who voted for Khan were non-Muslim.

Religion hasn't been used at all during the mainstream mayoral campaigns. Once it became clear Goldsmith wasn't managing to overtake Khan in the polls he and his campaign started trying to smear Khan about having spoken alongside extremists in the past, but there was never any suggestion that Khan's religion made him unfit for office.

With your statistics above, you didn't actually prove anything. You would also need to show how many Londoners voted.

True, turnout is important. Turnout was 45.3% of eligible voters.

In the second round of voting, Khan got 1.14 million votes and Goldsmith got 910,000. This is 2.05 million votes. If 2.05 million is 45.3% of eligible voters, then that means there are 4.52 million eligible voters in London.

If we assume the proportion of Muslims/non-Muslims is the same among eligible voters as among the population at large, that means that 560,000 voters are Muslims and 3.96 voters are non-Muslim.

Scenario 1 (hereby referred to as Operation Muslim Conspiracy) is that, inspired by blind allegiance based upon religion, every single Muslim in London came out and voted for Khan. This would mean 560,000 of Khan's votes were from Muslims, while 508,000 were from non-Muslims (or that 51.8% of Khan's voters were Muslims, while 48.2% were not). However, coming to this conclusion and stating that Khan was carried to victory by Operation Muslim Conspiracy is making two huge assumptions:

1 - every single Muslim voted
2 - every single Muslim voted, and voted for Khan

There are a number of holes in these assumptions, not least that deprived sections of the population are among the most likely to be disenfranchised and therefore are more likely, on average, to refrain from voting. Given that Muslims (in common with most ethnic minority groups) are more likely to be poor, and therefore disenfranchised, then even if a higher-than-normal number of Muslims turned out just because of Khan then we can still reasonably assume that only about 50% of Muslims voted. This would mean a maximum of 280,000 Muslim votes for Khan, and 734,000 non-Muslim votes for Khan. Even if we split the difference and go for the hugely generous estimate of 75% of Muslims voting for Khan, that still means a maximum of Muslim votes 420,000 for Khan and 593,000 non-Muslim votes for Khan.

And that 420,000 is only if we're still assuming that 100% of Muslims who voted voted for Khan, which is another wild assumption in itself. Even in the US presidential elections Obama didn't manage to monopolize the black vote (even if he did get about 95% of it), and that's in a country where ethnicity plays a significant role in politics. I'd hypothesize that at least 10% of Muslims who voted in the London elections voted for Goldsmith, and in all likelihood probably more.

So, on balance, unless we subscribe to Operation Muslim Conspiracy then far more non-Muslims than Muslims voted for Khan.

ANYHOO

The point is that the role played by religion in the London mayoral elections was minuscule at most. The only party which attempted to play the religion card was Britain First (who ran on an anti-Islam platform), and they ended up with 1% of the vote. The majority of people in London simple don't care what religion/ethnicity their politicians are.

Yeah, is it really notable that a Muslim was elected? I suppose if this was like rural Alabama in the United States it would be noteworthy.

In the context of how prominent the demonization of Muslims is throughout much of Western Europe and North America, it is notable that a Western European's capital city has just elected a Muslim as its leader. While it's not particularly notable in the context of an enormously diverse capital city, it still sends quite a visible message to others.

How about there being 1.3 million Muslims in greater London and lets say 900k are at eligible age to vote. And then let's say all the ethnic minorities or modern britons as you prefer to say, like Diane Abbot andyourself who would vote for a brain damaged sloth rather than a white man. Voted for Khan, that would easily reach the number of votes obtained by Jihadiq Khan. Would you agree?

It is after all complete guesswork on your behalf and totally meaningless!

[Army of GOD]

educate yourselves, fools

[The asylum]

There is Islam as practiced by modern Britons such as Sadiq Khan and there is medieval Islam as practiced by Ayatollah Dukasaur and his fellow mods.

Ah bless you, you think there's a type of Islam practiced by modern Britons. Got to love and cuddle special people like you. Hopefully the real world will never taint your beautiful naïveté

The real world has spoken, kiddo. You've been left behind.

You know less about the real world than the toilet roll presently residing in my arse hair son.

I do have a question for you though. How do you see the gay and lesbian community being accepted into areas of high Islamic population?

[mrswdk]

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How about there being 1.3 million Muslims in greater London and lets say 900k are at eligible age to vote. And then let's say all the ethnic minorities or modern britons as you prefer to say, like Diane Abbot andyourself who would vote for a brain damaged sloth rather than a white man. Voted for Khan, that would easily reach the number of votes obtained by Jihadiq Khan. Would you agree?

It is after all complete guesswork on your behalf and totally meaningless!

Of course, as you point out it is also possible that 'Operation Muslim Conspiracy' was in fact 'Operation Minority Conspiracy', and almost all non-whites came out to the polls and gave Khan his votes. Let's take a look!

40% of people in London are non-white, so let's assume that 40% of London's 4.52 million voters are non-white. That means 1.8 million are non-white. If we hypothesize an unusually high turnout of 63% of non-whites at the polls, all of them voting for Khan, then that gives Khan his 1.14 million votes!

That would then mean 910,000 out of the 2.72 million voting age white people voting for Goldsmith, a white turnout of 33%.

Here, let's also remind ourselves that turnout across all of London was 45.3%.

So yes, you are quite possibly correct! Assuming every single voter in London voted along ethnic lines, assuming white people could barely be bothered to vote, and assuming Khan rode a tsunami of ethnic minority hatred of whitey, then yes - Khan has been swept to power by a minority coup. We have no objective reason to believe that any of those three statements are true, but as Einstein may or may not have said: 'nothing is impossible'. Good sleuthing, asylum!

[Symmetry]

The difference between 'City of London' and 'London' can be explained in one sentence, as you just demonstrated. 'London' is the city as a whole, the 'City of London' is one borough within London.

What makes the matter complicated is Sym (as per) making factually incorrect statements about the UK's political infrastructure. I am reminded of the time he insisted that the UK Government doesn't have an official position on the EU referendum, despite the fact that it very definitely does.

Not exactly mate, the City of London is also a county within London, and a city in its own right, as well as a borough in Greater London.

It is funny when you try to explain politics.

If you are going to be petty, then be right.

There are only 32 boroughs of London. The City of London is not a borough of London.

Me and the Mrs stand corrected. I guess it is complicated.

[saxitoxin]

Point Roberts, Washington is unconnected from the USA mainland and can only be accessed through Canada. When the German arbiters drew the border between British North America and the U.S., they just drew a straight line -



- by ancient legal provisions, if a woman standing on one side of the border, gives birth and her baby falls onto the other side, then the baby is seized by the RCMP and given to the Haida Indians who raise it as one of their own until the age of 9 and then feed it to a pod of orca whales. This has happened three times in the last two years, mostly by women coming up from Alabama who were unable to get abortions.

I think I'm remembering all of this correctly. Some details might be a little off. But the key facts are pretty much accurate.

[Symmetry]

There is Islam as practiced by modern Britons such as Sadiq Khan and there is medieval Islam as practiced by Ayatollah Dukasaur and his fellow mods.

Ah bless you, you think there's a type of Islam practiced by modern Britons. Got to love and cuddle special people like you. Hopefully the real world will never taint your beautiful naïveté

The real world has spoken, kiddo. You've been left behind.

You know less about the real world than the toilet roll presently residing in my arse hair son.

I do have a question for you though. How do you see the gay and lesbian community being accepted into areas of high Islamic population?

You mean cities? Gay and Lesbian communities tend to do pretty well in them.

I suggest you learn how to wipe your ass correctly mate.

[The asylum]

There is Islam as practiced by modern Britons such as Sadiq Khan and there is medieval Islam as practiced by Ayatollah Dukasaur and his fellow mods.

Ah bless you, you think there's a type of Islam practiced by modern Britons. Got to love and cuddle special people like you. Hopefully the real world will never taint your beautiful naïveté

The real world has spoken, kiddo. You've been left behind.

You know less about the real world than the toilet roll presently residing in my arse hair son.

I do have a question for you though. How do you see the gay and lesbian community being accepted into areas of high Islamic population?

You mean cities? Gay and Lesbian communities tend to do pretty well in them.

I suggest you learn how to wipe your ass correctly mate.

Like Leicester? Maybe you should look up gay attacks and the offenders religion. Quite mild in comparison to what happens in full islamic countries.

[Symmetry]

There is Islam as practiced by modern Britons such as Sadiq Khan and there is medieval Islam as practiced by Ayatollah Dukasaur and his fellow mods.

Ah bless you, you think there's a type of Islam practiced by modern Britons. Got to love and cuddle special people like you. Hopefully the real world will never taint your beautiful naïveté

The real world has spoken, kiddo. You've been left behind.

You know less about the real world than the toilet roll presently residing in my arse hair son.

I do have a question for you though. How do you see the gay and lesbian community being accepted into areas of high Islamic population?

You mean cities? Gay and Lesbian communities tend to do pretty well in them.

I suggest you learn how to wipe your ass correctly mate.

Like Leicester? Maybe you should look up gay attacks and the offenders religion. Quite mild in comparison to what happens in full islamic countries.

A quick search finds that there are a few gay clubs in Leicester, so the gay community seems to be thriving in Leicester.

I don't expect you to take that on board, of course. That's just the example you asked me to look at. I expect you'll move the goalposts now that your attempt at a real world example blew up on you.

[The asylum]

I never asked you to look up gay clubs. I said look up gay attacks inleicester. What do I care anyway if you want to avoid the truth!

[Symmetry]

I never asked you to look up gay clubs. I said look up gay attacks inleicester. What do I care anyway if you want to avoid the truth!

No mate, you asked me how gay and lesbian communities did in areas with a high Islamic population, and you chose Leicester as your city of choice.

I do have a question for you though. How do you see the gay and lesbian community being accepted into areas of high Islamic population?

You mean cities? Gay and Lesbian communities tend to do pretty well in them.

I suggest you learn how to wipe your ass correctly mate.

Like Leicester? Maybe you should look up gay attacks and the offenders religion. Quite mild in comparison to what happens in full islamic countries.

A quick search finds that there are a few gay clubs in Leicester, so the gay community seems to be thriving in Leicester.

I don't expect you to take that on board, of course. That's just the example you asked me to look at. I expect you'll move the goalposts now that your attempt at a real world example blew up on you.

Now you're moving the goalposts, as was expected.

[The asylum]

I get the feeling that any type of communication with you can be rather frustrating. Go back read my first post, which you have quoted twice and start again. I'm done here!

[Symmetry]

I get the feeling that any type of communication with you can be rather frustrating. Go back read my first post, which you have quoted twice and start again. I'm done here!

If you expected someone who would just give you a thumbs up, you will find me a tad frustrating. Perhaps you need a bit more experience in the real world kiddo.

Getting back on topic, now that Asy has scurried off, Trump is apparently offering an exception to his no-Muslims allowed rule in the case of Sadiq Khan.

Sadiq Khan: I don't want exemption from 'ignorant' Trump's Muslim ban

Sadiq Khan, the new mayor of London, has rebuffed Donald Trump’s suggestion that he could be an exception to Trump’s proposed policy to ban all Muslims from travelling to the United States.

Khan, the capital’s first Muslim mayor, said the call by the presumptive Republican nominee for president for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the US was something that directly affected those closest to him, and said making an exception for him was not the answer.

“This isn’t just about me – it’s about my friends, my family and everyone who comes from a background similar to mine, anywhere in the world,” Khan said.

[mrswdk]

Getting back on topic, now that Asy has scurried off, Trump is apparently offering an exception to his no-Muslims allowed rule in the case of Sadiq Khan.

Welcome to, like, two days ago.

[Symmetry]

Getting back on topic, now that Asy has scurried off, Trump is apparently offering an exception to his no-Muslims allowed rule in the case of Sadiq Khan.

Welcome to, like, two days ago.

You're so funny when you try to talk all grown-up and such.

[mrswdk]

Maybe if you actually read a couple of articles before putting forwards your views on current affairs you wouldn't keep falling on your face and having to engage in these lame attempts at smoke and mirrors.

[The asylum]

I get the feeling that any type of communication with you can be rather frustrating. Go back read my first post, which you have quoted twice and start again. I'm done here!

If you expected someone who would just give you a thumbs up, you will find me a tad frustrating. Perhaps you need a bit more experience in the real world kiddo.

I expected yo to read the question and answer it. The reason I find communicating with you frustrating is because I'm not trained to deal with mentally ill children!