[FINISHED] Board Game Mafia: Endgame - Piece of Peace

[dakky21]

BTW I win with either side I choose. So be careful and that was the "confusing part" thing. I am nothing and I didn't want to claim D1 but the slow game killed me, so I hope things move quicker now.

[rizky_biznezz]

@mitch hotshot posted right before u saying he was playing just incase u missed it

[rizky_biznezz]

I guess i appreciate ur honesty dakky lol.... but are u planning on hunting scum or town if it doesn't matter either way to u?

[Ragian]

Wow. Do jokers exist in board games? Interesting. So, the question is which side you prefer, dakky. I reckon the way you've played so far, you seem to be scumhunting (however crap that term is), so with that in mind I don't have inclinations to "get rid of you" for fear that you'd support the dark side. What do you propose we do with your claim?

@Wing, you need to do better.

[rizky_biznezz]

I'm not jumping to vote dakky either I would prefer to try for scum.. Assuming he is telling the truth and with it being so early in the game im guessing town would be his first choice to side with... Correct me if I'm wrong dakster lol

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Okay so the last post has a little bit of substance here but Jeeves! This takes being overly defensive to a whole new level. I also tend to be suspicious of players who point out their own town meta (In bold above) as an excuse for their actions. Someone who is scum (and at all smart) and knows aspects of their town meta is going to try to imitate their meta. So actually pointing out your town meta, that's just not gonna work for me.

I read it all the same way. I wasnt interested in Dakky's vote at all. (Which Tim notes in his defence, yet continues with the multi post anyway). The bit which really stood out to me is below. A defence based on a thought he once had in a game but didnt act on? Reallly? About six months ago, I had a dream of this game and so I know everyones alignments. Listen to me.

each player has there own patterns i dont think ive ever actually voted for a person who wasnt wanting to be in the game though there was 1 game i was wanting to vte for inactives and i was town in that one.

Wing, do you have any examples of games where your theory turned out to be true?

Nope, but my gut instincts have been bang on point for the last few games. Theyve been better than any logic. Marashu in Stack the Deck anyone?

@Wing, you need to do better.

I really dont.

[Ragian]

Yes, but suit yourself.

[madmitch]

@mitch hotshot posted right before u saying he was playing just incase u missed it

UNVOTE Thanks Rizky I did. Now I have to rethink my picks.

[mandalorian2298]

Yes, I was serious. They taught me that joke voting for someone who is not playing is generally scummy.
So Tim voting Aladdin sounds scummy to me. Joke vote phase is more important than you think... inexperienced players easily reveal themselves.

just tell the truth dakky you just simply love me:) you should know very well alredy that i joke vote whoever never cared much for whoever i joke vote for as its imply a joe obviously we dont wanna kill a person whos not gonna be playing/looking to be replaced right from the get go maybe down the road day 3-4 if still here and still not playing or wantig to pay but thats esides the fact

De ja Vou all over again. Let me guess you need to be lynched on odd days this game??

LMAO. Anyway, as they said before, don't reference active games with this one.

just tell the truth dakky you just simply love me:) you should know very well alredy that i joke vote whoever never cared much for whoever i joke vote for as its imply a joe obviously we dont wanna kill a person whos not gonna be playing/looking to be replaced right from the get go maybe down the road day 3-4 if still here and still not playing or wantig to pay but thats esides the fact

In my eyes, you're just digging yourself deeper with that unprovoked defense. No one followed my attack, but you're still defending, trying to solve the situation. One more minus in my book, you can say you were joking and all but defending like this with only me on your head is... another question mark to me.

i respond as i see fit your the only one who saw my joke vote as scummy others thought you was crazy and that last post was simply saying it was a joke vote. with that its the last im gonna say towards that lets move on as its not gonna go anywhere just ends in me and you back forth wich dont help town at all

At first my vote on dakky was in jest, obviously, but his overreaction to a joke vote against a non-player seemed way too over the top and try hard.


Let it be known that my vote on dakky has converted into serious

You didn't played last 10 games here so you obviously don't know how things work... you have full right to be serious, but you should know some patterns which regularly happen, and some of those are voting for not playing character or person... I remember my first game where I got insta-lynched for voting for Arnold Schwarzenegger (or someone like him).... these things make you smarter

each player has there own patterns i dont think ive ever actually voted for a person who wasnt wanting to be in the game though there was 1 game i was wanting to vte for inactives and i was town in that one.

At first my vote on dakky was in jest, obviously, but his overreaction to a joke vote against a non-player seemed way too over the top and try hard.


Let it be known that my vote on dakky has converted into serious

You didn't played last 10 games here so you obviously don't know how things work... you have full right to be serious, but you should know some patterns which regularly happen, and some of those are voting for not playing character or person... I remember my first game where I got insta-lynched for voting for Arnold Schwarzenegger (or someone like him).... these things make you smarter

each player has there own patterns i dont think ive ever actually voted for a person who wasnt wanting to be in the game though there was 1 game i was wanting to vte for inactives and i was town in that one.

Okay so the last post has a little bit of substance here but Jeeves! This takes being overly defensive to a whole new level. I also tend to be suspicious of players who point out their own town meta (In bold above) as an excuse for their actions. Someone who is scum (and at all smart) and knows aspects of their town meta is going to try to imitate their meta. So actually pointing out your town meta, that's just not gonna work for me.

FP'd by dakky

Mostly Friday was busy for me. I didn't get as much time to post as I thought.

Great catch Strike!

To me, this behaviour looks straight up scummy. My view on this that, the goal of the townies is to look for scum, while the goal of the sumsters is to survive. Any townie (save a Survivor) with the basic understanding of Mafia math should be ready to take a sack in exchange for getting one scummster killed, since the town usually starts with a 3-1 numeral advantage. Conversly, a scumster must be real careful not to get killed early because it makes things much tougher for his side.

vote Tim

In other news: FOS LSU for submarining. I'm glad to be in a game with you again, too, but I would be even more glad if you start posteding regulary.

As for dakky's strange claim, I'm not sure what to think of it, yet. Sounds like a Jester or Survivor type thing, but who knows? / could have cooked up some crazy hybrid role and, based on the little that I have seen of dakky's playing style I think that he is capable of confusing everyone even with a normal role, so this should make the game fun, at least (or totally unbalance it so we should all start preparing names to hurl at /, just in case. )

/, can we get a vote count?

[madmitch]

Dakky claims he is good for town ,but how? he says he is not town or mafia or even 3rd party, then what the hell is he ? a jesture is 3rd party right?? How can we trust him? maybe he is the game board ? or the rule book for all games ? or maybe he is the game maker ? who knows ? but to come out this early in the game with such a claim is suspicious and does not do any favors for town, so I think we better keep an eye on him,

[dakky21]

As for dakky's strange claim, I'm not sure what to think of it, yet. Sounds like a Jester or Survivor type thing, but who knows? / could have cooked up some crazy hybrid role and, based on the little that I have seen of dakky's playing style I think that he is capable of confusing everyone even with a normal role, so this should make the game fun, at least (or totally unbalance it so we should all start preparing names to hurl at /, just in case. )

Just to clarify: someone must be dead first in order to pick side. I can pick any dead player and get his alignment and role and abilities. So that means if there's a dead cop, I can be cop. If there's a dead godfather... I can continue as godfather. So the confusing part is who to hunt, town or mafia or 3rd party, because all deaths suit me. I can wait till endgame and (example) if it is 4 mafia vs 5 town, I can select dead goon and get mafia win, or if it is clear who the mafia is, select town and win with town.... so this is freaking me out.

FP'd by mitch... see, good for town as I can become some good town role as well if it gets killed early.

[HotShot53]

As for dakky's strange claim, I'm not sure what to think of it, yet. Sounds like a Jester or Survivor type thing, but who knows? / could have cooked up some crazy hybrid role and, based on the little that I have seen of dakky's playing style I think that he is capable of confusing everyone even with a normal role, so this should make the game fun, at least (or totally unbalance it so we should all start preparing names to hurl at /, just in case. )

Just to clarify: someone must be dead first in order to pick side. I can pick any dead player and get his alignment and role and abilities. So that means if there's a dead cop, I can be cop. If there's a dead godfather... I can continue as godfather. So the confusing part is who to hunt, town or mafia or 3rd party, because all deaths suit me. I can wait till endgame and (example) if it is 4 mafia vs 5 town, I can select dead goon and get mafia win, or if it is clear who the mafia is, select town and win with town.... so this is freaking me out.

FP'd by mitch... see, good for town as I can become some good town role as well if it gets killed early.

Will we know when you pick someone to copy? I'm guessing not, otherwise if you picked scum you'd just get lynched instantly and pick a cop you'd get killed immediately. So effectively, you are like a third party survivor for now since there is little reason to pick a side too early.

[Ragian]

Oh, now I get your role. Can you choose whenever in the game?

[dakky21]

Oh, now I get your role. Can you choose whenever in the game?

Yes, any time and anyone, but only once.

Will we know when you pick someone to copy? I'm guessing not, otherwise if you picked scum you'd just get lynched instantly and pick a cop you'd get killed immediately. So effectively, you are like a third party survivor for now since there is little reason to pick a side too early.

Exactly, but if the cop dies and I choose him, at least you'll get one more investigation... If I go with scum, you won't get anything and I'll get lynched at one point or I could lie about one investigation if cop is dead, but I'm dead as well then. So yeah, it will be fun.

Now back to scumhunting, as I guess that's funnier than townhunting My joke vote is still on mitch, but yeah, Tim is currently scummiest. Expect my hammer (on anyone) if it gets to it.

[madmitch]

thanks Dakky for clearing things up .

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Any plans to pick an easily provable low powered town roll early if one should fall Dakky?

My view on this that, the goal of the townies is to look for scum, while the goal of the sumsters is to survive. Any townie (save a Survivor) with the basic understanding of Mafia math should be ready to take a sack in exchange for getting one scummster killed, since the town usually starts with a 3-1 numeral advantage. Conversly, a scumster must be real careful not to get killed early because it makes things much tougher for his side.

The only person who has somewhat unprovoked given playing advice to townies in my limited experience is Aage. And Aage only does so when he is afia to appear town as it is net zero move in reality. Not sure wht to make of this as I dont know Mandalorian.

[Iron Butterfly]

unvote HS

Interesting claim by Dakky. I can see how it could be a double edged sword but honestly seems to help Town more, at least in the early game. Survivor types have always worried me as they will in the end do what helps them to win, which is why more often I go for the lynch.

Dakky is different. He is a good insurance card for Town. I would however get nervous if he has not switched by mid game. the only scenario I can see him joining mafia is if it is a tight game where mafia needs to be lynched.

As far as Tim is concerned. My first inclination was to think he was Town. In fact he was my first Town read. He made several reads and was openly scum hunting. His posting frequency and length of posts do not suggest mafia to me. Now is that highlighted portion by Strike something that suggests that Tim is trying to hard? Maybe but with everything combined I am not buying it.

Vote LSU

Glad to see HS here.

[dakky21]

Any plans to pick an easily provable low powered town roll early if one should fall Dakky?

Since my role is so weird, I believe there could be other weird roles and/or even more powerful, so I don't want to pick alignment on the first one who falls, let's have at least 3-4 dead, then I'll pick something.

Dakky is different. He is a good insurance card for Town. I would however get nervous if he has not switched by mid game. the only scenario I can see him joining mafia is if it is a tight game where mafia needs to be lynched.

As I said, we will see. If we get two scum lynched in two days, I'll probably switch to scum. If 4 townies are killed in 2 days (and 2 nights), I'll probably switch to town, especially if there was a good/fun role which got killed. The problem is I don't know what abilities roles have, as there is probably no "Town Cop" but instead he could be named "Town Dice Thrower", so choosing the abilities may be interesting. If a townie is close to a lynch, I suggest a full claim so when I hammer, I know what I will get if I choose that player.

[BuJaber]

Seems like the general consensus is that dakky is telling the truth, and I agree. For now, it is in his best interest to support town, so we shouldn't vote him out. If scum starts to gain an advantage then he might switch.
Dakky's role is actually interesting because how scum deal with him could also give us clues.

[BuJaber]

Is it common in these games not to know how many mafia there are and what roles actually exist? It makes the whole thing mysterious, challenging, and fun; so I'm not complaining. But as I'm used to more vanilla real life games, this many unknowns is a new concept to me.

[dakky21]

Dakky's role is actually interesting because how scum deal with him could also give us clues.

Actually you won't find anything if they spare me. Just another townie will die and no new info. It's about the lynches, if they bandwagon on me, then you could find something new. But since I can help them, I don't expect that to happen.

Is it common in these games not to know how many mafia there are and what roles actually exist? It makes the whole thing mysterious, challenging, and fun; so I'm not complaining. But as I'm used to more vanilla real life games, this many unknowns is a new concept to me.

If it's properly balanced, in a game with 16 people, there should be at least 3 scum, few 3rd parties and at least 10 townies.

[mandalorian2298]

Any plans to pick an easily provable low powered town roll early if one should fall Dakky?

My view on this that, the goal of the townies is to look for scum, while the goal of the sumsters is to survive. Any townie (save a Survivor) with the basic understanding of Mafia math should be ready to take a sack in exchange for getting one scummster killed, since the town usually starts with a 3-1 numeral advantage. Conversly, a scumster must be real careful not to get killed early because it makes things much tougher for his side.

The only person who has somewhat unprovoked given playing advice to townies in my limited experience is Aage. And Aage only does so when he is afia to appear town as it is net zero move in reality. Not sure wht to make of this as I dont know Mandalorian.

It's less of an advice then it is an explanation of the logic behind my vote for Tim.

[mandalorian2298]

Is it common in these games not to know how many mafia there are and what roles actually exist? It makes the whole thing mysterious, challenging, and fun; so I'm not complaining. But as I'm used to more vanilla real life games, this many unknowns is a new concept to me.

From the way you write I already had the impression that you are more accustomed to classic mafia (you sound like the guys on MafiaScum forums, where I peaked once). On CC, the game is rarely vanilla unless it says so in the title. Also, people are a lot less cagey then MafiaScum type players and there is much more general wackyness.

I was afraid that, during my absence, a new, saner, generation of players came along but I'm happy to report that this is not the case.

[Ragian]

As I said, we will see. If we get two scum lynched in two days, I'll probably switch to scum. If 4 townies are killed in 2 days (and 2 nights), I'll probably switch to town, especially if there was a good/fun role which got killed. The problem is I don't know what abilities roles have, as there is probably no "Town Cop" but instead he could be named "Town Dice Thrower", so choosing the abilities may be interesting. If a townie is close to a lynch, I suggest a full claim so when I hammer, I know what I will get if I choose that player.

Are you saying that you don't want to go with a winning team? Why?

[dakky21]

As I said, we will see. If we get two scum lynched in two days, I'll probably switch to scum. If 4 townies are killed in 2 days (and 2 nights), I'll probably switch to town, especially if there was a good/fun role which got killed. The problem is I don't know what abilities roles have, as there is probably no "Town Cop" but instead he could be named "Town Dice Thrower", so choosing the abilities may be interesting. If a townie is close to a lynch, I suggest a full claim so when I hammer, I know what I will get if I choose that player.

Are you saying that you don't want to go with a winning team? Why?

This is a game, remember? I'll probably want to make it more interesting than pure winning.