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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby mrswdk on Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:02 am

Dukasaur wrote:I'm no friend of the Russians, but they're not entirely wrong. I think it's pretty scary how fast American propaganda changed gears. Six months ago all you'd see on the news is "We need to stop ISIS at all costs!" Now that the Russians are kicking the shit out of ISIS, the lead story on every newscast is "We have to get humanitarian aid to the suffering people of Aleppo before it's too late."

ISIS was a convenient bogeyman to scare people with, but a dead bogeyman isn't so scary. The war hawks need to keep ISIS alive to keep frightening people. That's not news, but what is news is the completely effortless way they've been able do a 180 without any meaningful outrage at home. The mainstream media gets more supine by the year. No way Edward R. Murrow would have let this pass, or even Walter Cronkite.

The American media may be privately owned, but they're no less tools of the state than the Russian media.


Yeah but that's okay because USG is a democracy, not like Putin and his oligarch friends who want to invade Ukraine.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby Bernie Sanders on Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:06 pm

mrswdk wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:I'm no friend of the Russians, but they're not entirely wrong. I think it's pretty scary how fast American propaganda changed gears. Six months ago all you'd see on the news is "We need to stop ISIS at all costs!" Now that the Russians are kicking the shit out of ISIS, the lead story on every newscast is "We have to get humanitarian aid to the suffering people of Aleppo before it's too late."

ISIS was a convenient bogeyman to scare people with, but a dead bogeyman isn't so scary. The war hawks need to keep ISIS alive to keep frightening people. That's not news, but what is news is the completely effortless way they've been able do a 180 without any meaningful outrage at home. The mainstream media gets more supine by the year. No way Edward R. Murrow would have let this pass, or even Walter Cronkite.

The American media may be privately owned, but they're no less tools of the state than the Russian media.


Yeah but that's okay because USG is a democracy, not like Putin and his oligarch friends who want to invade Ukraine.


Got news for you mrswdk, the Russians have already invaded the Ukraine.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby Symmetry on Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:45 pm

Dukasaur wrote:The American media may be privately owned, but they're no less tools of the state than the Russian media.


Utter BS. Russia has a terrible record for freedom of the press. Don't be an apologist for the Russian gov't. If you really see no difference between assassination of critics and a free media, you need help.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:43 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:The American media may be privately owned, but they're no less tools of the state than the Russian media.


Utter BS. Russia has a terrible record for freedom of the press. Don't be an apologist for the Russian gov't. If you really see no difference between assassination of critics and a free media, you need help.

I said I'm no friend of Russia. I know full well what kind of criminal gang is running things in Russia. Former KGB thugs turned kleptocrats. No argument there, whatsoever.

The core of my point is about the American media. Of what use if freedom of the press if you don't use it for anything? Free to speak the truth, and yet choose to parrot the official Pentagon line.

Why do you think the American media are so supine? Many have spoken about it. Career advancement depends on being given access to high-ranking officials, and high-ranking officials won't give access to someone who doesn't toe the line. That's why the American media choose to parrot the official Pentagon line. Not because they're afraid of being shot or imprisoned, or sent to the coal mines, but because it might reduce their chances of scoring the six o'clock anchor slot next year! WHORES! Bootlicking whores. Crawling on their hands and knees to lick the boot of any General or Undersecretary of Defense who will throw them a crumb and grant them an interview full of lies. Dreaming of the day that the Vice-President might pass by and defecate on their face because oh! what a grand photo-op that would be!

God, I would have so much respect for these monkeys if they had something to fear! If speaking the truth meant being sent to the Gulag, I would say, "yeah, they need to save themselves first and foremost." But they don't. They're free to say whatever they want. They CHOOSE to blubber the official lies because of competitive advantage, because the monkey who drools the most while shining the Undersecretary of the Navy's shoes this year, will be most likely to get the first photo-op with SEAL Team 3 when they come back from blowing up the Rwandan Parliament buildings or whatever.

My grandfather was court-martialed for telling the truth about Stalin. And he was given a chance to save himself. He had a good post as an instructor at the Staff College and archivist of the Czech Army. They offered him a deal, to recant, sign his name to a pack of lies praising our Russian brothers, and he could have kept his post and his status. He refused. He would not turn his back on the truth, would not deny the despicable treacheries that the Russians pulled on the Czech, Slovak, Polish, and Rumanian resistance movements. Gave up his lands, his titles, his rank, his job, his name. Willingly entered a life of poverty, prohibited by the terms of his court-martial from ever seeking any position of responsibility, spent the remaining 40 years of his life carrying luggage for East German tourists.

If my grandfather had looked at the 40 years of poverty ahead, compared it to the idyllic life of an archivist and military history instructor, it might be forgivable if he had chosen the wrong path. He didn't, but it might be forgivable if he had. But that's not the choice these monkeys face. These drooling NBC and ABC and CBS monkeys, crawling on their hands and knees through the Pentagon halls, shining the floor with tongue, they face no life of poverty, no jail term, no loss of life or limb. All they face is a marginally-reduced pace of career advancement if they fail to score the SEAL Team photo-op. Whores. Sad, pathetic, despicable whores, licking Big Massah's anus. Slaves who have been given their freedom, but choose to remain on the plantation, because truth is a big scary place.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby Bernie Sanders on Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:05 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:The American media may be privately owned, but they're no less tools of the state than the Russian media.


Utter BS. Russia has a terrible record for freedom of the press. Don't be an apologist for the Russian gov't. If you really see no difference between assassination of critics and a free media, you need help.

I said I'm no friend of Russia. I know full well what kind of criminal gang is running things in Russia. Former KGB thugs turned kleptocrats. No argument there, whatsoever.

The core of my point is about the American media. Of what use if freedom of the press if you don't use it for anything? Free to speak the truth, and yet choose to parrot the official Pentagon line.

Why do you think the American media are so supine? Many have spoken about it. Career advancement depends on being given access to high-ranking officials, and high-ranking officials won't give access to someone who doesn't toe the line. That's why the American media choose to parrot the official Pentagon line. Not because they're afraid of being shot or imprisoned, or sent to the coal mines, but because it might reduce their chances of scoring the six o'clock anchor slot next year! WHORES! Bootlicking whores. Crawling on their hands and knees to lick the boot of any General or Undersecretary of Defense who will throw them a crumb and grant them an interview full of lies. Dreaming of the day that the Vice-President might pass by and defecate on their face because oh! what a grand photo-op that would be!

God, I would have so much respect for these monkeys if they had something to fear! If speaking the truth meant being sent to the Gulag, I would say, "yeah, they need to save themselves first and foremost." But they don't. They're free to say whatever they want. They CHOOSE to blubber the official lies because of competitive advantage, because the monkey who drools the most while shining the Undersecretary of the Navy's shoes this year, will be most likely to get the first photo-op with SEAL Team 3 when they come back from blowing up the Rwandan Parliament buildings or whatever.

My grandfather was court-martialed for telling the truth about Stalin. And he was given a chance to save himself. He had a good post as an instructor at the Staff College and archivist of the Czech Army. They offered him a deal, to recant, sign his name to a pack of lies praising our Russian brothers, and he could have kept his post and his status. He refused. He would not turn his back on the truth, would not deny the despicable treacheries that the Russians pulled on the Czech, Slovak, Polish, and Rumanian resistance movements. Gave up his lands, his titles, his rank, his job, his name. Willingly entered a life of poverty, prohibited by the terms of his court-martial from ever seeking any position of responsibility, spent the remaining 40 years of his life carrying luggage for East German tourists.

If my grandfather had looked at the 40 years of poverty ahead, compared it to the idyllic life of an archivist and military history instructor, it might be forgivable if he had chosen the wrong path. He didn't, but it might be forgivable if he had. But that's not the choice these monkeys face. These drooling NBC and ABC and CBS monkeys, crawling on their hands and knees through the Pentagon halls, shining the floor with tongue, they face no life of poverty, no jail term, no loss of life or limb. All they face is a marginally-reduced pace of career advancement if they fail to score the SEAL Team photo-op. Whores. Sad, pathetic, despicable whores, licking Big Massah's anus. Slaves who have been given their freedom, but choose to remain on the plantation, because truth is a big scary place.



Actually, media is somewhat controlled through their sponsors who pay for commercial time and/or printed ads. Fox News is a mouth piece for the Republican Party and is as partisan as you get. Comparable to RT which is a mouth piece for the Kremlin.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby Symmetry on Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:51 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:The American media may be privately owned, but they're no less tools of the state than the Russian media.


Utter BS. Russia has a terrible record for freedom of the press. Don't be an apologist for the Russian gov't. If you really see no difference between assassination of critics and a free media, you need help.

I said I'm no friend of Russia. I know full well what kind of criminal gang is running things in Russia. Former KGB thugs turned kleptocrats. No argument there, whatsoever.

The core of my point is about the American media. Of what use if freedom of the press if you don't use it for anything? Free to speak the truth, and yet choose to parrot the official Pentagon line.

Why do you think the American media are so supine? Many have spoken about it. Career advancement depends on being given access to high-ranking officials, and high-ranking officials won't give access to someone who doesn't toe the line. That's why the American media choose to parrot the official Pentagon line. Not because they're afraid of being shot or imprisoned, or sent to the coal mines, but because it might reduce their chances of scoring the six o'clock anchor slot next year! WHORES! Bootlicking whores. Crawling on their hands and knees to lick the boot of any General or Undersecretary of Defense who will throw them a crumb and grant them an interview full of lies. Dreaming of the day that the Vice-President might pass by and defecate on their face because oh! what a grand photo-op that would be!

God, I would have so much respect for these monkeys if they had something to fear! If speaking the truth meant being sent to the Gulag, I would say, "yeah, they need to save themselves first and foremost." But they don't. They're free to say whatever they want. They CHOOSE to blubber the official lies because of competitive advantage, because the monkey who drools the most while shining the Undersecretary of the Navy's shoes this year, will be most likely to get the first photo-op with SEAL Team 3 when they come back from blowing up the Rwandan Parliament buildings or whatever.

My grandfather was court-martialed for telling the truth about Stalin. And he was given a chance to save himself. He had a good post as an instructor at the Staff College and archivist of the Czech Army. They offered him a deal, to recant, sign his name to a pack of lies praising our Russian brothers, and he could have kept his post and his status. He refused. He would not turn his back on the truth, would not deny the despicable treacheries that the Russians pulled on the Czech, Slovak, Polish, and Rumanian resistance movements. Gave up his lands, his titles, his rank, his job, his name. Willingly entered a life of poverty, prohibited by the terms of his court-martial from ever seeking any position of responsibility, spent the remaining 40 years of his life carrying luggage for East German tourists.

If my grandfather had looked at the 40 years of poverty ahead, compared it to the idyllic life of an archivist and military history instructor, it might be forgivable if he had chosen the wrong path. He didn't, but it might be forgivable if he had. But that's not the choice these monkeys face. These drooling NBC and ABC and CBS monkeys, crawling on their hands and knees through the Pentagon halls, shining the floor with tongue, they face no life of poverty, no jail term, no loss of life or limb. All they face is a marginally-reduced pace of career advancement if they fail to score the SEAL Team photo-op. Whores. Sad, pathetic, despicable whores, licking Big Massah's anus. Slaves who have been given their freedom, but choose to remain on the plantation, because truth is a big scary place.


There really is no equivalence. Also, you've gone nuts.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby Symmetry on Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:56 pm

Bernie Sanders wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:The American media may be privately owned, but they're no less tools of the state than the Russian media.


Utter BS. Russia has a terrible record for freedom of the press. Don't be an apologist for the Russian gov't. If you really see no difference between assassination of critics and a free media, you need help.

I said I'm no friend of Russia. I know full well what kind of criminal gang is running things in Russia. Former KGB thugs turned kleptocrats. No argument there, whatsoever.

The core of my point is about the American media. Of what use if freedom of the press if you don't use it for anything? Free to speak the truth, and yet choose to parrot the official Pentagon line.

Why do you think the American media are so supine? Many have spoken about it. Career advancement depends on being given access to high-ranking officials, and high-ranking officials won't give access to someone who doesn't toe the line. That's why the American media choose to parrot the official Pentagon line. Not because they're afraid of being shot or imprisoned, or sent to the coal mines, but because it might reduce their chances of scoring the six o'clock anchor slot next year! WHORES! Bootlicking whores. Crawling on their hands and knees to lick the boot of any General or Undersecretary of Defense who will throw them a crumb and grant them an interview full of lies. Dreaming of the day that the Vice-President might pass by and defecate on their face because oh! what a grand photo-op that would be!

God, I would have so much respect for these monkeys if they had something to fear! If speaking the truth meant being sent to the Gulag, I would say, "yeah, they need to save themselves first and foremost." But they don't. They're free to say whatever they want. They CHOOSE to blubber the official lies because of competitive advantage, because the monkey who drools the most while shining the Undersecretary of the Navy's shoes this year, will be most likely to get the first photo-op with SEAL Team 3 when they come back from blowing up the Rwandan Parliament buildings or whatever.

My grandfather was court-martialed for telling the truth about Stalin. And he was given a chance to save himself. He had a good post as an instructor at the Staff College and archivist of the Czech Army. They offered him a deal, to recant, sign his name to a pack of lies praising our Russian brothers, and he could have kept his post and his status. He refused. He would not turn his back on the truth, would not deny the despicable treacheries that the Russians pulled on the Czech, Slovak, Polish, and Rumanian resistance movements. Gave up his lands, his titles, his rank, his job, his name. Willingly entered a life of poverty, prohibited by the terms of his court-martial from ever seeking any position of responsibility, spent the remaining 40 years of his life carrying luggage for East German tourists.

If my grandfather had looked at the 40 years of poverty ahead, compared it to the idyllic life of an archivist and military history instructor, it might be forgivable if he had chosen the wrong path. He didn't, but it might be forgivable if he had. But that's not the choice these monkeys face. These drooling NBC and ABC and CBS monkeys, crawling on their hands and knees through the Pentagon halls, shining the floor with tongue, they face no life of poverty, no jail term, no loss of life or limb. All they face is a marginally-reduced pace of career advancement if they fail to score the SEAL Team photo-op. Whores. Sad, pathetic, despicable whores, licking Big Massah's anus. Slaves who have been given their freedom, but choose to remain on the plantation, because truth is a big scary place.



Actually, media is somewhat controlled through their sponsors who pay for commercial time and/or printed ads. Fox News is a mouth piece for the Republican Party and is as partisan as you get. Comparable to RT which is a mouth piece for the Kremlin.


It would be comparable if it was the mouthpiece of the government, and if the government shut down its rivals, and if critical journalists ended up dead. As is, Fox really isn't comparable. It may be a tool, but it ain't RT.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby mrswdk on Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:57 pm

Dukasaur wrote:My grandfather was court-martialed for telling the truth about Stalin. And he was given a chance to save himself. He had a good post as an instructor at the Staff College and archivist of the Czech Army. They offered him a deal, to recant, sign his name to a pack of lies praising our Russian brothers, and he could have kept his post and his status. He refused. He would not turn his back on the truth, would not deny the despicable treacheries that the Russians pulled on the Czech, Slovak, Polish, and Rumanian resistance movements. Gave up his lands, his titles, his rank, his job, his name. Willingly entered a life of poverty, prohibited by the terms of his court-martial from ever seeking any position of responsibility, spent the remaining 40 years of his life carrying luggage for East German tourists.

If my grandfather had looked at the 40 years of poverty ahead, compared it to the idyllic life of an archivist and military history instructor, it might be forgivable if he had chosen the wrong path.


Sure sounds like he chose the wrong path to me.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby Symmetry on Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:12 pm

mrswdk wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:My grandfather was court-martialed for telling the truth about Stalin. And he was given a chance to save himself. He had a good post as an instructor at the Staff College and archivist of the Czech Army. They offered him a deal, to recant, sign his name to a pack of lies praising our Russian brothers, and he could have kept his post and his status. He refused. He would not turn his back on the truth, would not deny the despicable treacheries that the Russians pulled on the Czech, Slovak, Polish, and Rumanian resistance movements. Gave up his lands, his titles, his rank, his job, his name. Willingly entered a life of poverty, prohibited by the terms of his court-martial from ever seeking any position of responsibility, spent the remaining 40 years of his life carrying luggage for East German tourists.

If my grandfather had looked at the 40 years of poverty ahead, compared it to the idyllic life of an archivist and military history instructor, it might be forgivable if he had chosen the wrong path.


Sure sounds like he chose the wrong path to me.


While I find his blasé view of a free press a despicable dismissal of the very real horrors inflicted on Russian journalists, and his lazy cultural equivalency to be I'll thought out, at least his grandfather took a path that I can respect. Duk is right in understanding why he might have chosen the wrong path, but it's still right that he chose a courageous path instead.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby riskllama on Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:06 pm

he's just lucky he didn't get shot or worse yet, chucked in some gulag.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby mrswdk on Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:19 pm

Symmetry wrote:
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Dukasaur wrote:My grandfather was court-martialed for telling the truth about Stalin. And he was given a chance to save himself. He had a good post as an instructor at the Staff College and archivist of the Czech Army. They offered him a deal, to recant, sign his name to a pack of lies praising our Russian brothers, and he could have kept his post and his status. He refused. He would not turn his back on the truth, would not deny the despicable treacheries that the Russians pulled on the Czech, Slovak, Polish, and Rumanian resistance movements. Gave up his lands, his titles, his rank, his job, his name. Willingly entered a life of poverty, prohibited by the terms of his court-martial from ever seeking any position of responsibility, spent the remaining 40 years of his life carrying luggage for East German tourists.

If my grandfather had looked at the 40 years of poverty ahead, compared it to the idyllic life of an archivist and military history instructor, it might be forgivable if he had chosen the wrong path.


Sure sounds like he chose the wrong path to me.


While I find his blasé view of a free press a despicable dismissal of the very real horrors inflicted on Russian journalists, and his lazy cultural equivalency to be I'll thought out, at least his grandfather took a path that I can respect. Duk is right in understanding why he might have chosen the wrong path, but it's still right that he chose a courageous path instead.


Yeah. He might have had to spend the entire rest of his life banished to poverty, but at least he went to bed each night knowing that 40 years ago he told a few people about something that the government didn't want him to tell them about.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby Symmetry on Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:25 pm

riskllama wrote:he's just lucky he didn't get shot or worse yet, chucked in some gulag.


Sadly, Russia incarcerated at a lower rate of people under the height of it's Gulag era than the US does now.

Russia is still remarkably poor when it comes to press freedon though There really is no equivalency.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby riskllama on Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:26 pm

quit trolling the dead, mrs...
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby Symmetry on Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:34 pm

mrswdk wrote:
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mrswdk wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:My grandfather was court-martialed for telling the truth about Stalin. And he was given a chance to save himself. He had a good post as an instructor at the Staff College and archivist of the Czech Army. They offered him a deal, to recant, sign his name to a pack of lies praising our Russian brothers, and he could have kept his post and his status. He refused. He would not turn his back on the truth, would not deny the despicable treacheries that the Russians pulled on the Czech, Slovak, Polish, and Rumanian resistance movements. Gave up his lands, his titles, his rank, his job, his name. Willingly entered a life of poverty, prohibited by the terms of his court-martial from ever seeking any position of responsibility, spent the remaining 40 years of his life carrying luggage for East German tourists.

If my grandfather had looked at the 40 years of poverty ahead, compared it to the idyllic life of an archivist and military history instructor, it might be forgivable if he had chosen the wrong path.


Sure sounds like he chose the wrong path to me.


While I find his blasé view of a free press a despicable dismissal of the very real horrors inflicted on Russian journalists, and his lazy cultural equivalency to be I'll thought out, at least his grandfather took a path that I can respect. Duk is right in understanding why he might have chosen the wrong path, but it's still right that he chose a courageous path instead.


Yeah. He might have had to spend the entire rest of his life banished to poverty, but at least he went to bed each night knowing that 40 years ago he told a few people about something that the government didn't want him to tell them about.[/qutookva

Meh, he took a stand, and got his family into a position where, no matter how much I disagree with DuK's arguments in favour of state sanctioned murder, he won't be killed or tortured for speaking his mind. I think that's a good thing to stand for
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:15 pm

Symmetry wrote:no matter how much I disagree with DuK's arguments in favour of state sanctioned murder,

I don't believe I made any arguments in favour of state-sanctioned murder.

I don't disagree with you that freedom of the press is sadly lacking in Russia. My point was that the Americans have the blessing of a free press, and choose not to use it, which is very sad.

The major Russian media outlets are government-controlled. It's pretty clear why they tell government-sponsored lies. The major American media are not government-controlled. They tell government-sponsored lies of their own free will. That's even sadder.

I hope that's clear enough.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby Symmetry on Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:27 pm

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Symmetry wrote:no matter how much I disagree with DuK's arguments in favour of state sanctioned murder,

I don't believe I made any arguments in favour of state-sanctioned murder.

I don't disagree with you that freedom of the press is sadly lacking in Russia. My point was that the Americans have the blessing of a free press, and choose not to use it, which is very sad.

The major Russian media outlets are government-controlled. It's pretty clear why they tell government-sponsored lies. The major American media are not government-controlled. They tell government-sponsored lies of their own free will. That's even sadder.

I hope that's clear enough.


You argued that the American media was as bad as the Russian. That got a rise our of me . I think you insult the memories of those journalists who took a dangerous stand and lost their lives by saying that kind of media they died for is worse, or equivalent to the system that saw them hunted and murdered.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby ADodgeStratus on Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:30 pm

I think the problem with the world is black lives matter, a racist, violent organization!
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Postby Dukasaur on Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:33 pm

ADodgeStratus wrote:I think the problem with the world is black lives matter, a racist, violent organization!

Oh my God, it's anti-pimpdave!

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pimpdave wrote:The Tea Party (a racist, violent organization) often incites violence in individuals (see Jared Lee Loughner). The Tea Party Death Squads are the militant operatives that work in teams. Sometimes operatives act alone, but because I hold myself to a strict standard of journalistic integrity taught to me by Fox News, I can't label Loughner as a Tea Party Death Squad Operative at this time.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby Symmetry on Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:35 pm

ADodgeStratus wrote:I think the problem with the world is black lives matter, a racist, violent organization!


Huh, who woulda thunk the racists here would resort to this.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby riskllama on Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:53 pm

he is probly owned by a black person, sym. a black person who doesn't perform regular maintenance on him, blares rap music thru his cheap, factory speakers, throws fast food wrappers on the floor and washes him twice a year, if that.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby GoranZ on Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:13 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
Symmetry wrote:no matter how much I disagree with DuK's arguments in favour of state sanctioned murder,

I don't believe I made any arguments in favour of state-sanctioned murder.

I don't disagree with you that freedom of the press is sadly lacking in Russia. My point was that the Americans have the blessing of a free press, and choose not to use it, which is very sad.

The major Russian media outlets are government-controlled. It's pretty clear why they tell government-sponsored lies. The major American media are not government-controlled. They tell government-sponsored lies of their own free will. That's even sadder.

I hope that's clear enough.


You argued that the American media was as bad as the Russian. That got a rise our of me . I think you insult the memories of those journalists who took a dangerous stand and lost their lives by saying that kind of media they died for is worse, or equivalent to the system that saw them hunted and murdered.

You dont know what you are talking about Symmetry...

Here is how it looks in reality
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Western media is flooded by blood money.
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby jgordon1111 on Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:05 pm

GoranZ wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
Symmetry wrote:no matter how much I disagree with DuK's arguments in favour of state sanctioned murder,

I don't believe I made any arguments in favour of state-sanctioned murder.

I don't disagree with you that freedom of the press is sadly lacking in Russia. My point was that the Americans have the blessing of a free press, and choose not to use it, which is very sad.

The major Russian media outlets are government-controlled. It's pretty clear why they tell government-sponsored lies. The major American media are not government-controlled. They tell government-sponsored lies of their own free will. That's even sadder.

I hope that's clear enough.


You argued that the American media was as bad as the Russian. That got a rise our of me . I think you insult the memories of those journalists who took a dangerous stand and lost their lives by saying that kind of media they died for is worse, or equivalent to the system that saw them hunted and murdered.

You dont know what you are talking about Symmetry...

Here is how it looks in reality
Image

Western media is flooded by blood money.


Ah someone else calling the troll monkey out on his blatant ignorance,he will strike back with more of his enlightened thoughts proclaiming his glorious knowledge of every possible subject, due to his ability to quick glance the internet, watch for his go to tactic, well what I said means what you said, or i was speaking obliquely, rhetorically etc when called out on his b.s.
Now back to the people who actually think about the subjects they speak on
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby Symmetry on Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:58 pm

Satirical cartoon, OK. I'll add satire to the list of things you don't understand.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
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Re: On the brink of new World War

Postby GoranZ on Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:03 pm

Symmetry wrote:Satirical cartoon, OK. I'll add satire to the list of things you don't understand.

Its how most of nonwesterners think about western media. You guys like blood, and that is represented as you like it.
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