Humanity, please WAKE UP

[jgordon1111]

Jgordon1111 I'm pretty sure the birther crap started with the Hillary camp in 07-08.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... inton.html

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism ... -movement/


The plaque your talking about is the capstone. Quit playing word games. Your not good at it.
BTW I don't remember ever claiming to be anything specific. If you can provide a post I made claiming I'm anything please do. I know some things are Understood . When we talked about the quarter in my pocket I never made a claim to be a brother.
Lets start with Hillary, she yes picked it up after TRUMP who will admit to supporting her brought that idea up first,
Yes the capstone is the plaque, my hole point was to get people to read that, then look at the mural and think.
The reason I originally asked you the question I did was because in your symbolism thread you alluded to knowing what Masonic symbols really mean, the only way you know that is if you are or you are guessing, what you read is not always accurate.
That is why I asked you those 2 specific questions, your answers told me what I wanted to know.


The NWO goes back a hell if a lot farther back than GWB. How about Paul Warburg in February 17, 1950 stating "We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest." The Warbugs have their ties to the founding of the Federal Reserve and relations to the Skull and Bones.

And yes George H W Bush grandfather was a known skull and bones brother, one of the few members who's name came to light.

[UCAbears]

Of course he can question the motives behind it. Everyone should question the motives behind everything, that's why there are conspiracy theorist out there. I'm not certain that he isn't a true American, I, just like many others, question his background because of the lack of proof on many issues for one, as well as some of the illegal moves he's pulled in office. But, who hasn't right?

Well, if the facts have been thoroughly established that he is American, and they have been, and the facts have been thoroughly established that he qualifies to be a US president, and they too have been, people will wonder what it is about his background that you think makes him not truly American.

Racism is a pretty obvious suggestion. After all, you ain"t exactly crying for Clinton's Sander's birth certificates.

They aren't the POTUS... And because I question a person's birth doesn't make me a racist.

[Metsfanmax]

UCAbears, if President Obama presented you with what he claimed was his birth certificate, would you have the skills to determine whether it was authentic?

[UCAbears]

UCAbears, if President Obama presented you with what he claimed was his birth certificate, would you have the skills to determine whether it was authentic?

Why, of course I would. Haven't you seen me on Pawn Stars?

[UCAbears]

[UCAbears]

Interesting Mr. Barry Soetoro
Where's the paper version of Obamas Hawaii birth certificate?

[Dukasaur]

[Bernie Sanders]

Of course he can question the motives behind it. Everyone should question the motives behind everything, that's why there are conspiracy theorist out there. I'm not certain that he isn't a true American, I, just like many others, question his background because of the lack of proof on many issues for one, as well as some of the illegal moves he's pulled in office. But, who hasn't right?

Well, if the facts have been thoroughly established that he is American, and they have been, and the facts have been thoroughly established that he qualifies to be a US president, and they too have been, people will wonder what it is about his background that you think makes him not truly American.

Racism is a pretty obvious suggestion. After all, you ain"t exactly crying for Clinton's Sander's birth certificates.

They aren't the POTUS... And because I question a person's birth doesn't make me a racist.

Considering even Trump won't deny that President Obama is a natural born American now....if you ain't a racist, you are just plain nutso!

[UCAbears]

Oh.. gotcha..

[Bernie Sanders]

[Symmetry]

Of course he can question the motives behind it. Everyone should question the motives behind everything, that's why there are conspiracy theorist out there. I'm not certain that he isn't a true American, I, just like many others, question his background because of the lack of proof on many issues for one, as well as some of the illegal moves he's pulled in office. But, who hasn't right?

Well, if the facts have been thoroughly established that he is American, and they have been, and the facts have been thoroughly established that he qualifies to be a US president, and they too have been, people will wonder what it is about his background that you think makes him not truly American.

Racism is a pretty obvious suggestion. After all, you ain"t exactly crying for Clinton's Sander's birth certificates.

They aren't the POTUS... And because I question a person's birth doesn't make me a racist.

Meh, the issue came up during his presidential campaign, and he showed his birth certificate then. As these facts have made no dent in your position, it's fair to ask what really drives your questions.

It's obviously not an issue of law- that's sorted.
It's obviously not really about the birth certificate- that's been shown
It's obviously not a requirement you ask of other candidates- as you agree above

So, we're left with the question of what drives you to think that Obama is not American, in the face of all evidence.

[UCAbears]

No sense in discussing this any further as you obviously ignore any post(look above). Research for yourself and stop believing everything you see on the mainstream, seriously.

[Symmetry]

No sense in discussing this any further as you obviously ignore any post(look above). Research for yourself and stop believing everything you see on the mainstream, seriously.

OK, I didn't mean to piss you off, but this does seem to prove my point- that there's a deeper anger at work with your arguments. Something impervious to rational critique that pushes you away from "mainstream" debate, and pulls you toward fringe elements.

Still, I could have been nicer in telling you the truth. I'm not always able to avoid bluntness when attempting to talk down conspiracy theorists.

[UCAbears]

I'm not pissed. What makes you think you even have a point to prove? What truth do you claim to have said? Nothing you have said has disproved anything i've said. What do you have against people that question what they're told to believe? I just don't see it.

[Symmetry]

I'm not pissed. What makes you think you even have a point to prove? What truth do you claim to have said? Nothing you have said has disproved anything i've said. What do you have against people that question what they're told to believe? I just don't see it.

Firstly, I think you made the right choice in discussing this matter further with me. It takes a big man to admit he was wrong, and a bigger man to prove it through action.

Now, I understand that when you see the birth certificate, you "just don"'t see it". That's something we can work on.

You've taken the first step. Next, we'll examine why you think fringe conspiracy theorists are more trustworthy than accredited journalists

[UCAbears]

There are plenty of accredited journalists that are also conspiracy theorists... And, have you examined his birth certificate? Is there an original version of it, and not just a PDF? And, explain his Kenya birth certificate too. Enlighten me.

[Symmetry]

There are plenty of accredited journalists that are also conspiracy theorists... And, have you examined his birth certificate? Is there an original version of it, and not just a PDF? And, explain his Kenya birth certificate too. Enlighten me.

Sure there's an original, the governor of Hawaii, a Republican, swore to it. If you're really demanding a standard of evidence that you know to be impossible, people will question your motives

Still, I think we're making progress.

[UCAbears]

Hahaha he swore to it so it must be true.. Progression stalled.

[Symmetry]

Hahaha he swore to it so it must be true.. Progression stalled.

Interesting, you think that Linda Lingle is male. I think you may have a poor grasp on the facts here. Now that you've been proven wrong again, how are we progressing towards your core belief.

How can I further dispel your delusion?

[UCAbears]

You should lay off the acid, man. I've heard its a hell of a drug.

[Symmetry]

You should lay off the acid, man. I've heard its a hell of a drug.

Hostility toward those who are trying to help you is natural.

So, now that we've established that your delusions about the birth certificate are false, what's next?

More transexual Republicans? Perhaps a few more wingnut sites?

You're not helping yourself with this. We're here to help

[UCAbears]

Well, your attempt to kill the thread has progressed. Good work, sir.

[Symmetry]

Well, your attempt to kill the thread has progressed. Good work, sir.

Dispelling your delusion needs no praise. We're all better off for it.

[2dimes]

Has anyone gone to www.OrlyTastzEsq.com or whatever is on that "certified copy." ?

Riddled with code viruses?

[Symmetry]

Has anyone gone to www.OrlyTastzEsq.com or whatever is on that "certified copy." ?

Riddled with code viruses?

Christ, just watching her on the news caused me to drop an IQ point.