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[Iron Butterfly]

Storr there are too many people to keep built up reads of everyone. I will add that I believe Rizky to be town as his posts to mr appear to be genuine and are well spaced. (Compare to the IB suddenly becoming highly active last night, or Player jumping onto every wing vote) i will also add slash as the quiet mafia type manipulating from the shadows. His posts always try to twist.

Whilst in theory I shoot Rish if Deg turn up town, I am struggling with the idea of Rish being scum. Claimed jailer is not something we want to get wrong. Did this three way finder come from Rage?

I did not "suddenly" become active. I just got tired of hearing the same players talk fairy tale BS over and over. I have also posted my theory several times on the cult being alive and well to be all but ignored. Ironicly I was going to joke about thanking folks for targeting me to get me back in game as I was losing interest very quickly.

You still have not explained how you got your guilt % numbers on Rish and I nor why there are only two possible ways one of us could be scum.

[degaston]

Unofficial vote count

WingCmdr Ginkapo (6): DJPatrick, degaston, PLAYER57832, CatchersMitt14, Iron Butterfly, Marashu

degaston (2): StorrZerg, LSU Tiger Josh

the white rose (1): rishaed

StorrZerg (1): the white rose

[Ragian]

Humm. I am inclined to vote for Wing, but I don't like a fair few of the voters there...

@Storr, why are you voting deg?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Unvote Vote Deg

Part of your post seems to be missing - you know, "because... reasons"?

You were one of the 3 listed by Ragian's invention.

[Ragian]

Why deg over wing ?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Honestly I wish mafia would kill me this game. As I stated before with the lack of interest from the moderators(lack of vote counts etc...) and how the main mod seems to have vanished I don't have that much interests in it. The sweater obviously didn't work as intended, but the 8 ball I would say is unproven since there is no guarantee that IB gave a true result seeing how he may be cult/scum/whatever since it is quite odd that he would have info on someone that was antitown to start the game.

Don't give up now - you guys are still way ahead!

Youre going to have to expand on that comment Deg. Looks very much like you just admitted to being scum.

I did not "suddenly" become active. I just got tired of hearing the same players talk fairy tale BS over and over. I have also posted my theory several times on the cult being alive and well to be all but ignored. Ironicly I was going to joke about thanking folks for targeting me to get me back in game as I was losing interest very quickly.

You still have not explained how you got your guilt % numbers on Rish and I nor why there are only two possible ways one of us could be scum.

You comments about cult were tiny. When I put in the effort and built the case against CM you ignored it. So I fail to see why you want a cookie for that one. You clearly dont care enough about the idea of a cult to actually lead on it.

So you were tired of hearing from the same players, but didnt actually think to contribute properly earlier? Doesnt really stack up to be honest. Whatever reason you want to argue, you did "suddenly" become active. That IS a fact.

@Rage - With the exception of Mars its a whos who of scummy players on my lynch. Unfortunately its also a whos who of people I have annoyed by suggesting they are scum.

@Deg - Aladdin asked if anyone could corroborate my meta read on you, unfortunately no one can as the death chat was me, you, Epi and Dazza. So I thought I would post the source of my meta read for others to evaluate.

[degaston]

Honestly I wish mafia would kill me this game. As I stated before with the lack of interest from the moderators(lack of vote counts etc...) and how the main mod seems to have vanished I don't have that much interests in it. The sweater obviously didn't work as intended, but the 8 ball I would say is unproven since there is no guarantee that IB gave a true result seeing how he may be cult/scum/whatever since it is quite odd that he would have info on someone that was antitown to start the game.

Don't give up now - you guys are still way ahead!

Youre going to have to expand on that comment Deg. Looks very much like you just admitted to being scum.

The little laughing face at the end indicates that it was meant to be humorous.

But if you need me to explain it further:

• I think LSU is scum.
• LSU makes a post about wishing to be modkilled.
• I joke that "you guys" (scum) are still way ahead. (7 town dead & 1 town of questionable alignment vs 1 dead scum)

So...

[degaston]

EBWOP: "mafiakilled", not "modkilled"
Either way, neither one helps town.

[degaston]

EBWOP2: *sigh* Neither one helps town... if he was actually town.
So he's either a town player wishing for something that's bad for town, or he's lying scum.

[benga]

Vote lsu

[PLAYER57832]

The overwhelming majority diving on wing right now concerns me. Why now? What about earlier? Why didn't people pile on yesterday. I mean look at yourself, you made some awful push at the end of the day. Voice your concern sure, but you should have known there would have been no way to gain traction like that on someone new to the votes.

Why now? I think it's obvious that benga's post means that it has to be Wing or me lynched today. If town chooses correctly, it will eliminate one scum, and confirm 2 others as town (assuming benga is telling the truth). If someone thinks they have a case on rishaed, then they can present it, otherwise, voting for anyone else is just a distraction. As I said before, I've seen a vote change direction in 2 hours, so 39 hours was plenty of time to get off falko. I might have been wrong about Ragian (though that hasn't been proven yet), but at least I was trying. I thought it was obvious that there was no case against falko, and that was before I noticed Wing's scummy reasoning.

Except, your current vote is not for any of those. If you truly believe it must be you or wing, and you are innocent, then why aren't you voting wing?

[degaston]

Except, your current vote is not for any of those. If you truly believe it must be you or wing, and you are innocent, then why aren't you voting wing?

I am - check the unofficial vote count at the top of the page.

[PLAYER57832]

OOOPS just realized I misread, you have 2 votes against you and did, indeed vote wing... I cannot, obviously delete my prior post, though.

[degaston]

Except, your current vote is not for any of those. If you truly believe it must be you or wing, and you are innocent, then why aren't you voting wing?

I am - check the unofficial vote count at the top of the page.

The name on the left is the votee - the names after that are the people who have voted for that votee.

[degaston]

Vote lsu

Um... is there some reason you aren't voting for one of the names that Ragian's invention gave you?

[rishaed]

Alright... So i've been reading up and considering which of wing or deg is the better choice.
My vote on TWR is now useless seeing as Marashu has confirmed him to be town. unvote Vote Wing

[Ragian]

I'm leaving for seven days now. I will try to sneak a peak or two, but I have alerted sitters (for my games, though) so I make no promises.

I'm going to vote for wing. I feel he's been the worst at tackling the accusations.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Deg - What happened to your idea that Rage was scum? Seems to be a lot of faith in his invention here.

[degaston]

Deg - What happened to your idea that Rage was scum? Seems to be a lot of faith in his invention here.

When I think I have a case on someone, I will push it about as hard as I can without being illogical. But at the same time, I am aware that my suspicions are not proof, so I still try to keep an open mind to the possibility that I may be wrong, or that there may be a better case that is more important.

In this case, I thought that my case against Rage was better than anyone's case on Falko, but after N3 I was not going to push it until I had heard whatever new information was available. Benga's information about the bulletproofing and scum detector made me consider that Rage's inventions were helpful. And the results from the scum detector fit with what I suspected. Flipping you as scum would be pretty solid evidence that benga, rishaed, Ragian, and myself are all town. Meanwhile, LSU's posts today have not helped him, I think.

You've been making too many little slip ups. "Forgetting" that you told Falko to lynch PT when you used that as a reason to lynch him. "Forgetting" that you said you'd have something to explain about Ragian today. The false dichotomy that either IB or rishaed had to be lying. Official sounding probabilities that you pulled out of your ass. Probably some other things, but that's enough for me.

[PLAYER57832]

LUS-- why are you voting deg?

[AladdinSane]

Humm. I am inclined to vote for Wing, but I don't like a fair few of the voters there...

@Storr, why are you voting deg?

I hope you have beter luck getting an anser frum him than I have had. Storr seems determmined to dodge a number of qwestjuns atm. He's veered hard away frum wanting to linch Wing on D3/N3, to Deg, and on teh flimsiest of preteckts. And dat's after Wing was named by teh alinement indickator.

And despite his protestashuns to teh contrery, he has failed to anser a number of qwestjuns I have raised. Maybe I'm geting a bit too close fer cumfert...

Well, I gess Storr has a cupple days wile teh "Alinement Indickator" drama plays itself out. I'll be making shore teh awkward qwestjuns don't go away, tho.

@Mods: Hello? Anybody home? An ocashunal orffishal vote count wood be noice...or sum kind of sine dayt the game is still been modarated.

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If I am jailed at night I could not kill nor be investigated.

What?
What games have you been playing all these years?

Since when has a jailkeeper ever protected someone from an investigation? It's like a mafia 102 role, fairly basic stuff. I feel like you're starting to make crap up to defend yourself now.

[Iron Butterfly]

If I am jailed at night I could not kill nor be investigated.

What?
What games have you been playing all these years?

Since when has a jailkeeper ever protected someone from an investigation? It's like a mafia 102 role, fairly basic stuff. I feel like you're starting to make crap up to defend yourself now.

You wanna argue what a jail keeper does?

[Iron Butterfly]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper

I have always played under the assumption that jail keeper can not be targeted. I have played in games where that was most certainly the case.

[StorrZerg]

If I am jailed at night I could not kill nor be investigated.

What?
What games have you been playing all these years?

Since when has a jailkeeper ever protected someone from an investigation? It's like a mafia 102 role, fairly basic stuff. I feel like you're starting to make crap up to defend yourself now.

Yeah it is basic. Jail removes player from the night phase. Nothing in or out. Mechanically when I host that's how it goes.