[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[LSU Tiger Josh]

My glasses are suppose to basically see whoever has "blood" on their hands from murdering at night". Who knows how they will work though which is why I sent a note to Benga so he would be aware it was mine.

I'm pretty much at a loss right now, but all the misspellings is killing the game for me(no offense) but it gives me a headache trying to decode half the stuff that is not spelled properly. I'll try and reread at least today, but with the lack of interests from the mods it makes it difficult for me to really get invested in a game that could easily die away with no vote counts going on, five day nights etc...

[degaston]

Speaking of Meta, I have considered that Ragian might have sent me the suicide gun as revenge for getting him lynched in HP, but that wouldn't indicate his alignment.

I won that game. How did your alignment fare?

They would have fared a lot better if they had listened to me and lynched aage and Storr... and protected the cop.

[StorrZerg]

@deg and wing. I'd like your second best case for mafia that isn't each other. As well as 2 people you strongly read as town.

[DJPatrick]

My glasses are suppose to basically see whoever has "blood" on their hands from murdering at night". Who knows how they will work though which is why I sent a note to Benga so he would be aware it was mine.

I'm pretty much at a loss right now, but all the misspellings is killing the game for me(no offense) but it gives me a headache trying to decode half the stuff that is not spelled properly. I'll try and reread at least today, but with the lack of interests from the mods it makes it difficult for me to really get invested in a game that could easily die away with no vote counts going on, five day nights etc...
LSU Tiger Josh
The man, the myth, the legend has returned

@ tIGER...YEAH, overwhelmed by a plethora of off-topic bullshyte...who cares who got which sweater even if such an animal exists...but I wouldn't sweat the mispellings...in these less than enlightened day who can tell what is a role and what is just low IQ?...re the "lack of interest from the mods"...hey they said it was a bastard of a Mafia GAME

[StorrZerg]

djpatrick do you not know how to use the quote function?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@deg and wing. I'd like your second best case for mafia that isn't each other. As well as 2 people you strongly read as town.

Players. Came into the day with a game plan to mislynch me. Has added no reason, but highlights other peoples posts voting me. Seems very paranoid as Ive barely attacked him all game. Refuses point blank to offer opinion whilst claiming to have unwritten insight.

Storr, Benga and Mars as most town. Storr copchecked and revived townie. Mars has to be town. I like Bengas actions. Special mention to White Rose, copchecked and entered his disregard logic stubborness phase from which he will never return. Clearly not got anyone to talk to at night.

What confuses me is that unless I am mistaken Benga is basically VT now (ignoring that he is inventors lovechild), so why would mafia target him? They certaintly wouldnt kill IB. So what happened to the mafia kill? My paranoid idea that Rish redirected me N1 and N2 is back, with the surprise being that mafia lack a factional kill. It doesnt add up though.

[AladdinSane]

finding out what the deal is with the apples, kinda (mods gave everyone an apple, and those who ate them got random things happening, some good, some bad).

Who, spesifickly, gave you teh info about teh appuls wen you were ded? How did dey know? Why are you avoiding dese qwestjuns?

[AladdinSane]

Storr, Benga and Mars as most town. Storr copchecked and revived townie. Mars has to be town.

At this point in time, im leaing on wing as a lynch. Reasons seemed poor for who to kill. Didn't care about people claiming before shooting them. His reason on not shooting aladdinsane was poor imo. Stacking with vig would have proved his power.

Additionally i do believe he has been trying to pocket me, I pushed on people and he railed with me. Not questioning really anything i did. Town wcg would have been more cautious against me, and would have stood up to some of my reads imo. Not be blatantly cool with them.

Unvote
Vote WCG

@Storr: Still beleeve Wing is tryin to pokket you? If not, why not? Just becorse their was no NK last nite? Don't ferget, Wing cood have made an attempt (as SK) on Benga (bullettproof), or teh unknown person who saved you wen you revived Marashu cood have blokked his shot (as SK). Yesterday you were so gung-ho on linching Wing, but you've dun a complete flip on very flimsy evidense, despite teh fact dat Wing is on teh shortlist of tree now. And wot about orl those other reesons you give above fer suspecking Wing? Are you doing an about-face on dem too? It dozent add up. Here is you D3/N3 on Wing:

Faulty logic... we have had 1 kill each night. . And a jailer who admits blocking a "town CPR doc" aka a sk, or additional mafia kp. Ffs.

mets rish and wcg comes down to how they present why they did what actions they did. rish makes more sense.

would you care to respond to my allegations against wing?????

anyone not willing to lynch wing today, needs to be aware of who he might shoot, and should be concerned. He really only has a few options on who to shoot, any wrong shot should be an instant lynch for him.

yes, since he attempted to shoot 2 nights in a row.... with poor reasoning imo...

To me his kill targets are people that wouldn't be targeted by other powers at night, as in no watch/track/doc so it reeks more to me of a SK who is trying to stay hidden while accomplishing his goals. Secondly sk generally has to shoot, they don't have the option to shoot.

following up that last point.. you don't hint about it because we had just had a huge discussion about if the vig should claim. If he had claimed early, he would have been pretty believable. Thing is, he didn't. He was forced to claim latter, AND we have a real dead vig, and people seem to be ok with his killing. To me his kill targets are people that wouldn't be targeted by other powers at night, as in no watch/track/doc so it reeks more to me of a SK who is trying to stay hidden while accomplishing his goals. Secondly sk generally has to shoot, they don't have the option to shoot.

So, are you going to be pushin fer a Wing linch on D4? We need to elimminate SKs just as mutch as we need to elimminate Mafia, rite?

And if you reely tink Wing is SK, shoodent we ask Rish to jail him agin tonite, to stop him frum NKing?

o absolutely not. wing if he is a sk HAS to find and hit a mafia. in order for us to believe he is really town sided.

@met scould be mafia cpr doc too

in the first quote i don't act like wing is vig. The whole point is showcasing that i don't think he is vig. because he isn't doing the things i think a "wing" vig would do. SO YES I"VE TAKEN A STANCE THE WHOLE TIME

AladdinSane, why did you not try and get wing lynched today.

Aladdin, white rose, deg, benga, rish, falko are all anti town.

Tis a shame, Falko was my really obvious doc "save" target! Gonna have to carefully consider now!

Yeeeeeeah, about dat. Wit dat kind of judgement, I'm def not hapy haven you runnen around at nite killen peepul, even if you are Town.

Are you going to help lynch wing tomorrow?

You state here that your role is harmful to town, so why shouldn't we lynch you tomorrow?

I am town, and I can choose not to use my power. My role is not a reason to kill me.

yes.

how ever your choice on how you tried to use your role. is

Are you even reading the same game? I was absolutely against keeping wing alive at the latter half of day 3. Good lord

I wanted to lynch Wing today, but didn't garner enough support.

So, you've gone from full-on "LINCH WING" to LINCH DEG, just on teh basis of no NK, wen it is paytently obvius it still quite posible fer him to be SK, AND wen he is now on a short-list of 3 to be scum? Care to eggsplain?

And wot positive reesons have you given to suspekt Deg over Wing agin???

I have used rags item and was bulletprof-so perhaps I was targeted

I have used one more item given to me and one of this 3 is scum
WingCmdr Ginkapo
rishaed
degaston

if rish didn't jail wing and wing tried to shot me, that would explain no kills this night

vote wing

I don't find you the target because you are spent. Still other roles that can be doing things. I strongly don't suspect rishaed. suspect that

That leaves wing and deg. Wing claims no shot, and no deaths. That in all does buy him some credit.


Vote Deg

Dat is litterly teh only reeson you give fer switching: "Wing claims no shot, and no NKs". It's weak, and no basis fer sutch a dramtic ternaround.

[StorrZerg]

@deg and wing. I'd like your second best case for mafia that isn't each other. As well as 2 people you strongly read as town.

Players. Came into the day with a game plan to mislynch me. Has added no reason, but highlights other peoples posts voting me. Seems very paranoid as Ive barely attacked him all game. Refuses point blank to offer opinion whilst claiming to have unwritten insight.

Storr, Benga and Mars as most town. Storr copchecked and revived townie. Mars has to be town. I like Bengas actions. Special mention to White Rose, copchecked and entered his disregard logic stubborness phase from which he will never return. Clearly not got anyone to talk to at night.

What confuses me is that unless I am mistaken Benga is basically VT now (ignoring that he is inventors lovechild), so why would mafia target him? They certaintly wouldnt kill IB. So what happened to the mafia kill? My paranoid idea that Rish redirected me N1 and N2 is back, with the surprise being that mafia lack a factional kill. It doesnt add up though.

Players is a weak scum read. I don't feel any drive behind your accusation. I want you to sell me a scum read. I don't believe for a min this is the best town wing has to offer

And while your town reads are nice, there isn't much to be learned. Since its mostly logic and not a read. You could make the same conclusion as a mafia. And it doesn't add anything new.

[benga]

used glasses on IB, blood was found on his hands
with rishs jail maybe that's the reason there was no kill N3

[StorrZerg]

I'm skeptical to trust that result. Why? Because all his inventions have flipped. Cop check was wrong. His forced role claim on me backfired

Also does attempting to kill =blood on hands? Or does it only count if said person did a night kill?

[benga]

I'm skeptical to trust that result. Why? Because all his inventions have flipped. Cop check was wrong. His forced role claim on me backfired

Also does attempting to kill =blood on hands? Or does it only count if said person did a night kill?

did night kill from the start of the game
I asked dakky, otherwise I wouldn't use the gift

[Ragian]

Does the blood indicate that he tried to kill someone ?

[degaston]

I'm skeptical to trust that result. Why? Because all his inventions have flipped. Cop check was wrong. His forced role claim on me backfired

Also does attempting to kill =blood on hands? Or does it only count if said person did a night kill?

did night kill from the start of the game
I asked dakky, otherwise I wouldn't use the gift

Sorry, could you rephrase this? I can't tell what you're trying to say.

[Ragian]

Humm. I was too late. Storr, are you saying that the glasses might give out flipped results?

[benga]

I'm skeptical to trust that result. Why? Because all his inventions have flipped. Cop check was wrong. His forced role claim on me backfired

Also does attempting to kill =blood on hands? Or does it only count if said person did a night kill?

did night kill from the start of the game
I asked dakky, otherwise I wouldn't use the gift

Sorry, could you rephrase this? I can't tell what you're trying to say.

sorry for being short, doing it while I work

it said he will have blood on hands if he made a kill during any night from the start of game, not just N3 (from the start of the game)

kill=killing any other way than lynch

[Ragian]

So the conclusion is that IB has committed a murder. We need to decide if it's true or inverted .

[degaston]

Humm. I was too late. Storr, are you saying that the glasses might give out flipped results?

Some Inventors may have gadgets that do nothing, or that have negative results upon using. However, an Inventor who knows in advance that their Inventions do nothing or have harmful effects not stated to the person who receives the invention is called a False Inventor.

LSU's inventions do something, and do not seem to be harmful to the users or others, so he does not seem to fit the profile of a false inventor. Mafiascum doesn't give a name for someone who doesn't know that their inventions don't work as expected, so I made up insane inventor. I think this fits with what has been seen so far, so I do not believe that the result from the glasses is true. This could mean that it either changed the target, or flipped the result. Since he used it during the day, it could not have been redirected, therefore changing the target would mean that the results were either about benga, or some random target. I think either one of these possibilities is unlikely, so I would assume that it flipped the results, and IB does not have blood on his hands.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I think both IB and Deg are mafia.

The hotshot saga makes little sense

[benga]

I think both IB and Deg are mafia.

The hotshot saga makes little sense

it's possible that IB (or scum) had N0 action and used it to check out HS or something like that

[rizky_biznezz]

Wondering what IB has to say about it all but guess its possible.. It does explain why there was no kill if IB was in jail... But not sure if the inventions can be trusted.. It had already crossed my mind though because I couldn't work out why benga would be the target when he can't investigate and we have other roles out there..

[Ragian]

I think both IB and Deg are mafia.

The hotshot saga makes little sense

So should we lynch you and if you flip town go for Deg and then IB? 2 for 1 trade?

[degaston]

So no tricks up your sleeve, no working hard to help town win.

I'm trying to get you lynched, aren't I?

You are the opposite to Aladdin, you keep your notes to yourself, however you just admitted to having none.

With well over 100 posts per "day", I think Aladdin is a big part of why we have so many modkilled townies. That level of posting overwhelms some people and they give up trying to follow the thread. It's easier for scum, because they know who's on their side and who's not. He makes this game all about him, and drowns out other voices. Then he inserts his speculation into areas that just need a factual response from someone else. We certainly don't need more of that. So if I'm the opposite of that, then thanks for the compliment. And if you think I haven't been doing anything, then you haven't been reading my posts.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I think both IB and Deg are mafia.

The hotshot saga makes little sense

So should we lynch you and if you flip town go for Deg and then IB? 2 for 1 trade?

No, but I am glad that my death would tell so much. Thats not a reason to lynch town. I prefer the 2 for 0 trade.

[Ragian]

So if we lynch deg and he turns up town, what do we do?