What if everything you thought you knew was a GIANT lie.

[tzor]

That meme sucks. Hitler didn't admit his sins and ask for forgiveness, he just kept on sinning.

He did commit suicide, but that was to avoid having to face the victorious leaders.

[tzor]

In fact, though there are plenty who disagree with me, I would actually argue that we would not have science without religion, that religion is the original process of defining/quantifying the universe in a way that we can understand (that is, religion is the term for our understanding of God).

Yes I would probably disagree in a nit picking way. Science is derived from Philosophy. "Philosophy is the study of the general and fundamental nature of reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language." A branch of philosophy deals with religion, but it is the actual structure of philosophy which is the foundation for both the study of religion and the various studies under the scientific method.

On the other hand, one can make an interesting argument that in the west, we would not have had real science without the church.

Before Christianity, we had two isolated schools of thought.
The Greeks were really into theory, but thought actual experiments were beneath them.
The Romans were more into engineering, compiling rules on what worked and what did not work.

Christian monks, with lots of time on their hands when not praying most of the time, were the ones to make and compile observations and to derive laws and rules from those observations; the foundation of the scientific method. The need for Priests well trained in a slowly dying language as well as in the faith in general prompted the formation of the University system which in turn would eventually train those in the scientific method and apply that to the sciences.

In fact some of the more interesting Greek bad science from observations wound up reappearing in the Renaissance when they were rediscovered and merely assumed to be correct. One good example is like the Monty Python (if she weighs as much as a duck she must be a witch) argument. Flat bottomed boats lifted more than round bottom boats because leaves (which are flat) float. (Too bad surface tension tends to fail at the size of a typical wooden vessel.)

[KoolBak]

The Italian and Russian popes are meeting for the first time in thousands of years. Dogs and cats living together....gods.

[jgordon1111]

The Italian and Russian popes are meeting for the first time in thousands of years. Dogs and cats living together....gods.

Not quiet thousands, but not since constanopile maybe

[tzor]

Not quiet thousands, but not since Constantinople maybe

No, much later than that. We are talking about the Patriarch of Moscow and all Rus' not the Patriarch of Constantinople.

During the 15th century the Russian Church was pivotal in the survival and life of the Russian state. Such holy figures as Sergius of Radonezh and Metropolitan Alexis helped the country to withstand years of Tatar oppression, and to expand both economically and spiritually.

At the Council of Florence 1439, a group of Orthodox Church leaders agreed upon terms of reunification with Papacy. The Moscow Prince Vasily II, however, rejected the concessions to the Roman Church and forbade the proclamation of the acts of the Council in Moscow in 1452. The Russian Metropolitan Isidore, who had signed the Union act, was in the same year expelled from his position as an apostate.

In 1448, the Russian Church in Moscow became effectively independent from the Patriarchate of Constantinople — when the Russian bishops in Moscow elected their own primate, Jonas, a Russian bishop, without recourse to Constantinople. The Russian church within the bounds of the Grand Duchy of Moscow was thenceforth effectively autocephalous.

Metropolitan Jonas was given the title of Metropolitan of Kiev and All Rus', but his successors styled themselves as Metropolitans of Moscow and All Rus'. Five years later, Constantinople fell to the Ottoman Turks. From this point onward the Russian Orthodox Church saw Moscow as the Third Rome, legitimate successor to Constantinople, and the metropolitan of Moscow as head of the Russian Church.

The growing might of the Russian state contributed also to the growing authority of the Autocephalous Russian Church and during the reign of Tsar Fyodor I his brother-in-law Boris Godunov contacted the Ecumenical Patriarch, who "was much embarrassed for want of funds,"[4] with a view elevate the status of the Russian Orthodox Church to an independent autocephaly. On January 23, 1589 the Moscow Patriarchate was created, making the Russian Church autocephalous, and Job, Metropolitan of Moscow became the Patriarch of Moscow and all Rus'.

so the tl;dr is ... less than 500 years. (427 to be precise)

[Dukasaur]

If it was the Patriarch of Constantinople, it would be much more recent.

JP the 2nd met the Patriarch of Constantinople in 1999. He also visited the Patriarchs of Romania and the Ukraine, but although he tried to arrange a meeting with the Russian papa, it never came about, mainly due to secular political issues and not religious ones.

[Phatscotty]

btw the big bang was posited after evolution was.

which big bang?

[Phatscotty]

If the earth is flat how does gravity work?

Gravity isn't real

[Phatscotty]

Is the Earth Flat? Or is it a Ball?
Why is Antartica blocked from claim?
Why did Richard E. Byrd, a decorated veteran, claim he reached a giant ice wall, after flying south over Antartica, that he could not fly above, and that is was rich with coal, uranium, and possibly oil?
Why did the U.S. and Russia launch a number of nukes into the sky in the 1950's? What were they trying to destroy?
Why is the U.N. Logo that of a Flat Earth model?
Why can you not book a direct flight from Cape Town, South Africa to Sao Paulo, Brazil among others, without a connection flight to the north? Shouldn't it be a straight shot if the world is round?


Why do you believe what you believe? Hasn't everything you know been planted in you, over and over, since you can remember? Doesn't the government decide what is taught in school? Haven't they pretty much always? Take a look around you and really try to look at the big picture.

Let God be true, but every man a liar. - Romans 3:4

Questioning is fine, but God does not teach us to lie. Believing the things you insinuate requires God to have created the Earth as a lie. The evidence you claim is being fabricated is not even close to all the evidence in most of these issues. It is just the latest round of conspiracies.

You say question... fine, but that includes the PEOPLE who are telling you what the Bible says. Read it yourself, and do some research. There is no inconsistency between the Bible and science, only between what some people find it easier to think the Bible is saying. It was one thing for ancient people to not understand science. For modern individuals, with full access to all kinds of evidence to do the same requires some serious deception.

If there are no inconsistenties between the Bible and science, why do many scientist and physicists in particular seem to mock it and teach against its word?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Club

The X Club was a dining club of nine men who supported the theories of natural selection and academic liberalism in late 19th-century England. Thomas Henry Huxley was the initiator: he called the first meeting for 3 November 1864.[1] The club met in London once a month—except in July, August and September—from November 1864 until March 1893, and its members are believed to have wielded much influence over scientific thought. The members of the club were George Busk, Edward Frankland, Thomas Archer Hirst, Joseph Dalton Hooker, Thomas Henry Huxley, John Lubbock, Herbert Spencer, William Spottiswoode, and John Tyndall, united by a "devotion to science, pure and free, untrammelled by religious dogmas."[2]

The nine men who would compose the X Club already knew each other well. By the 1860s, friendships had turned the group into a social network, and the men often dined and went on holidays together. After Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species was published in 1859, the men began working together to aid the cause for naturalism and natural history. They backed the liberal Anglican movement that emerged in the early 1860s, and both privately and publicly supported the leaders of the movement.

According to its members, the club was originally started to keep friends from drifting apart, and to partake in scientific discussion free from theological influence. A key aim was to reform the Royal Society, with a view to making the practice of science professional. In the 1870s and 1880s, the members of the group became prominent in the scientific community and some accused the club of having too much power in shaping the scientific landscape of London. The club was terminated in 1893, after depletion by death, and as old age made regular meetings of the surviving members impossible.

[Phatscotty]

Why is the U.N. Logo that of a Flat Earth model?

[Phatscotty]

What is your position on the mythical city/land of Atlantis?

Atlantis has already been found.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=216654&p=4774776&hilit=atlantis#p4774776

[Bernie Sanders]

btw the big bang was posited after evolution was.

which big bang?

When he did your Mother.

[UCAbears]

Why is the U.N. Logo that of a Flat Earth model?

YASSSS

[jgordon1111]

Ok UCA, when the hypothesis that the earth was round it was finally accepted because ships on the open ocean could be spotted coming over the horizon, explain how there is a horizon with the flat earth theory even today traveling on a ship you can see Hawaii growing out of the water slowly,is this some mystical magic? Some conspiracy I can give a little credence to, not this one.just to much counter proof that can be seen by thousands on a daily basis, hell I would accept a matrix theory way before I would lend any credence to this.

[warmonger1981]

Why is the UN flag broken up into 33 different sections? Is the number representative of something?

[jgordon1111]

Why is the UN flag broken up into 33 different sections? Is the number representative of something?

Masonic input!?
Take note how I answered

[UCAbears]

Why is the UN flag broken up into 33 different sections? Is the number representative of something?

Maybe the number of "smartcities" aka resettlement zones they're planning on moving us to?

[waauw]

Why is the UN flag broken up into 33 different sections? Is the number representative of something?

Three: The spiritual meaning of number Three deals with magic, intuition, fecundity, and advantage. The number Three invokes expression, versatility, and pure joy of creativity. Three is also a time identifier as it represents Past, Present and Future. Consecutive Threes in your life may symbolize the need to express yourself creatively, or consider your present directional path in relation to past events and future goals. Three may also represent promising new adventures, and assurance of cooperation from others whom you may require help. Three typically symbolizes reward and success in most undertakings.

http://www.whats-your-sign.com/spiritual-meaning-of-numbers.html

[warmonger1981]

It is the most important degree that Freemasonry gives and it is the number of vertebrae that make up the human spine, and the human foot has 33 muscles. Its a magical number. There are 33° to Freemasonry. There are multiple references to 33 in the bible: 33 days of purification (Leviticus 12:4), 33 sons and daughters of Israel (Genesis 46:15), and 3300 officers of King Solomon (1 Kings 5:16). King David reigned in Jerusalem for 33 years (1 Kings 2:11). The Star of David is two triangles, meaning two 3s – 33. There are exactly 33 titles in the Old Testament for the antichrist and 13 in the New Testament. Most importantly, Jesus was baptized at age 30, began his 3 year ministry, then died and was resurrected at age 33 (Luke 3:23). The perfect 3 multiplied by the master 11. There are 33 strands to DNA.The UN building is 39 (13x3) stories high and sits on land donated by Mason David Rockefeller. Just saying.

[hotfire]

33 strands of dna in what? im gona call bs on this

[jgordon1111]

33 strands of dna in what? im gona call bs on this

Not sure hot but I think he meant 23 on that one, typo maybe