[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[AladdinSane]

Re: the Falko wagon and teh hesitanse to discuss yer case aginst Ragian, you have to bare in mind dat teh dedline was Feb 2, and you posted yer ackusashuns aginst Ragian at Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:41 pm - you simply dident leeve time fer teh nesesary diskushun dat wood convinse peepul to go fer it.

Sory - dat was Bangkok time - so about 7:41am CCT - does dat makes sense? Still, only a day fer discushun. Not enuff.

I'm posting dis at about 4:30pm 2/4 Bangkok time, and it is about 4:30am, 2/4 CCT.

[AladdinSane]

note that I did NOT vote falko!

Methinketh thou doth protest too mutch, milady. We can see you dident vote Falko, just by looking at teh VC.

I think the bandwagoning is pretty telling here. Reasons don't really matter, once one of a couple groups makes the suggestion, its a dog pile.

Witch part of "looming deline" don't you unnerstand? You had yore vote on Wing - and I wood have joined you their if I thort Wing had a good chanse of been linched - but he dident, and it was inportent dat we linched sumwun. I tink most playas realized dis, hense teh "dog pile", as you put it.

We need to lynch mafia or even 3rd parties, not townies!

Well, duh! These are orl very eesy comments to make, and make you look a bit scummy imo - or, if not ackshually scummy, a bit useless. If you reely want to say sumtink useful, cum up wit sumtink orijinol on Wing, who you voted for on D3.

[AladdinSane]

note that I did NOT vote falko!

Methinketh thou doth protest too mutch, milady. We can see you dident vote Falko, just by looking at teh VC.

I think the bandwagoning is pretty telling here. Reasons don't really matter, once one of a couple groups makes the suggestion, its a dog pile.

Witch part of "looming deline" don't you unnerstand? You had yore vote on Wing - and I wood have joined you their if I thort Wing had a good chanse of been linched - but he dident, and it was inportent dat we linched sumwun. I tink most playas realized dis, hense teh "dog pile", as you put it.

We need to lynch mafia or even 3rd parties, not townies!

Well, duh! These are orl very eesy comments to make, and make you look a bit scummy imo - or, if not ackshually scummy, a bit useless. If you reely want to say sumtink useful, cum up wit sumtink orijinol on Wing, who you voted for on D3.

Yes, yes, I know. "Use preview". Will i never lern?

[StorrZerg]

Confirmed, AladdinSane day 3 was just to troll.

[AladdinSane]

VOTE Ragian

His "gift" has bothered me for a while. I received a gun with 3 settings. Paralyze, Wound & Kill, along with a cryptic note that contained an unattributed quote from Lincoln: "Force is all-conquering, but its victories are short-lived." I asked the mods, but they wouldn't give me any more information on what the settings did.
Later on, when Ragian claimed, here's what he said about it:

I received a gun on N1 that kind of turned me a into day vig, but the gun didn't work as expected, and it turned out to be one-shot.

I was wesponsible for that. Did you not wead the Lincoln quote attached to it? It wasn't a gun as such. You should think more Staw Twek: It had the oppowtunity to pawalyze, wound, and kill. Obviously, wounding wouldn't wesult in killing as the thiwd option would have been wedundant then. By wounding mitch, you jailed him. I chose you because you gave out a townie vibe D1 in my opinion. However, the kill option was a suicidal one as thewe was the possibility of me handing something to scum. Hence the Lincoln quote. I figuwed that if scum had gotten the gun, they would've use the kill option (and killed themselves in the pwocess).

N2, I gave Benga a little something-something.

So he game me the gun because he thought I was more likely town, but If I tried to kill anyone with it, I would be the one who died. If I tried to wound instead, I would end up protecting & role-blocking my target. This strikes me as a weapon that could do no real damage to scum, and was mainly designed to kill me. (Who doesn't try to kill in mafia when they have a gun?)

When I asked if the target would have been killed also, he replied:

It was a quote meant to indicate that using the kill option meant your own death. The "gun" would have exploded in your hand and killed you.

I'm hung over. Will read closer later today.

Which evaded and didn't answer my question.
Would anyone else have concluded from that quote that using it to kill would be suicidal?
And despite being hung over, he stayed on or logged in again until 8:52 without "reading closer" or providing a complete response.
So I asked a follow up question:

I understand that it would have killed me. Would it have killed my target?

What would paralyze have done?

N2, I gave Benga a little something-something.

@benga, what did you get?

Again, no response. Even though he logged in at 11:07, 1:53, and 5:49.
When he finally does respond, he seems very upset. Even though I had not accused him of anything at that point. And still, he will not answer any of the questions:

Stop this now. I invented the damn thing. You have zewo to add.

Now, on lynching. I still feel that Falko is a good choice, but I'm going with gut feeling here because I have a very hard time keeping up with the pace of the game. I'd say that Mets also triggers my scumdar. I get the feeling that he's questioning everything not adding anything...

FP'ed by Aladdin for some reason...

I find his actions to be the most blatantly scummy I've seen so far, and at this point would be happy to see him lynched. If he does turn out to be scum, then that would go a long way towards clearing Storr in my mind, because he discouraged me from killing Mitch so that I could use the kill option as a threat. I assume that if they were both scum, then Storr would have known that I would have died, and been fine with it. I think he was right when he said this:

I find it hard to see both inventors as town.

So, teh main point you seem to be making in yer case aginst Ragian is dat he sent you a gun witch wood have killed you had you chosen teh "kill" opshun and tried to kill Mitch wit it - you tink dat looks scummy and was meant to kill you.

BUT, if day was teh case, surely wen you dident die (becorse you chose teh "woond" opshun), Ragian wood have just stup up about dis. Their was no need fer him to tell us about teh booby-trap ans he wood have reelized it was better for him not to tell about it. The fact dat he seems to have volunteered teh info wile not under preshure takes a lot away from teh case, imo.

I agree dat is dificult to see both inventers as Town, but I'm leening toward LSU TJ been teh scum wun. I find it equally difficut to see both inventers as scum, btw, so dat makes Rag look a bit better too.

[degaston]

Re: the Falko wagon and teh hesitanse to discuss yer case aginst Ragian, you have to bare in mind dat teh dedline was Feb 2, and you posted yer ackusashuns aginst Ragian at Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:41 pm - you simply dident leeve time fer teh nesesary diskushun dat wood convinse peepul to go fer it. We needed to get a viable linch wagon together quikly, so wunce momentum gathered on Falk, it pritty mutch became a shore ting. IMO, teh peepul you need to look at on teh list of those dat voted Falk are teh wuns who got dat final push on him started. Benga and RB were their erly on, so whoever was after those two. Now dat teh dedline has passed, I'll spend sum time tinking about yer case aginst Ragian.

I made my case for Ragian on Feb 1 at 8:41 am CC Time. According to Wing, Falko only had 2 votes on him at that point, and DJ had 5. You finally hammered (By your count - not sure what the official count was) Falko at 3:02 am on the 2nd (CC Time), so apparently the deadline was not the start of the 2nd, or this would have been no lynch. If it was the end of the 2nd, then there were 39 hours to discuss it from the time I brought it up. Apparently, that was enough time to get 9 votes for Falko, including a flood of votes starting with Ragian, and followed quickly by /, wing, mets, storr and mitch with hardly any justification.

"Cop enabler" is wot it is. Wen I got my roll PM, I did sum reserch, hoping fer hints on how to play it: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Enabler.

Interesting thing you neglected to mention from that link:

Some more creative uses have included Town Enablers for Mafia power roles and Mafia Enablers for Town power roles.

So perhaps you could be a cop enabler, but that doesn't mean you're town. Wouldn't that be a "Surprise"?

[degaston]

BUT, if day was teh case, surely wen you dident die (becorse you chose teh "woond" opshun), Ragian wood have just stup up about dis. Their was no need fer him to tell us about teh booby-trap ans he wood have reelized it was better for him not to tell about it. The fact dat he seems to have volunteered teh info wile not under preshure takes a lot away from teh case, imo.

Maybe he was concerned about potentially being caught in a lie later on. @LSU, are you allowed to make a gun that would kill others?
Or perhaps he thought that because it had not harmed me, I would just accept his explanation at face value and not question it.
If you received a gun with a note that said "Force is all-conquering, but its victories are short-lived.", would you have concluded that the kill option was suicidal? It might be reasonable to think that the target would come back as a zombie or something, but how can suicide be interpreted as "all-conquering" or even a "short-lived victory"?

I agree dat is dificult to see both inventers as Town, but I'm leening toward LSU TJ been teh scum wun. I find it equally difficut to see both inventers as scum, btw, so dat makes Rag look a bit better too.

Since I suspect that you're scum as well, this does not seem very convincing to me.

[AladdinSane]

If you received a gun with a note that said "Force is all-conquering, but its victories are short-lived.", would you have concluded that the kill option was suicidal? It might be reasonable to think that the target would come back as a zombie or something, but how can suicide be interpreted as "all-conquering" or even a "short-lived victory"?

If he reely wanted to kill you, why wood he attach a note at orl?

Teh note seems kind of stupid,imo, becorse it dozent test fer alinement, as Ragian sed he wanted it to - it tests fer ability to desyfer criptik riddels. And, as you say, it isent even a good riddel. But teh fact dat their is a note at orl seems to indikate he was just a bit confuzed in his tinkink, not Mafia trying to kill you.

[AladdinSane]

I made my case for Ragian on Feb 1 at 8:41 am CC Time. According to Wing, Falko only had 2 votes on him at that point, and DJ had 5. You finally hammered (By your count - not sure what the official count was) Falko at 3:02 am on the 2nd (CC Time), so apparently the deadline was not the start of the 2nd, or this would have been no lynch. If it was the end of the 2nd, then there were 39 hours to discuss it from the time I brought it up. Apparently, that was enough time to get 9 votes for Falko, including a flood of votes starting with Ragian, and followed quickly by /, wing, mets, storr and mitch with hardly any justification.

Thirty-nine hours just isent enuff, wot with peepul in diff time zones and having RL tings to take care of. Voting just takes a few secunds, conduckting a discusshion and eggchanging views takes longer. Falko had been discust as a possibul linch target fer sum time, as well as teh reesons he looked scummy (mainly his vote on PTLowe). On teh other ting, yer Ragian ting had just popped onto teh radar at a time wen peepul were conserned to get a linch over teh line. You are trying to make sumting out of nuthink wit dis. We can discuss it now and thru N3 and D4 as a posible D4 linch. I tink yer just a bit miffed dat yer thery dident reseeve instant attenshun, but you need to get past dat.

Interesting thing you neglected to mention from that link:

Some more creative uses have included Town Enablers for Mafia power roles and Mafia Enablers for Town power roles.

So perhaps you could be a cop enabler, but that doesn't mean you're town. Wouldn't that be a "Surprise"?

I posted the link so those who were too lazy to go look cood access it eesily. Shore, Mafia Enablers are a ting, but dat meens nuttink, eggcept in teh context of me not been compleetly cleered by a roll-check that returns "Cop Enabler" on me. Dere are plenny rolls in dis game dat can be any alinement - inventer, god, jailer fer a start.

[PLAYER57832]

I think the bandwagoning is pretty telling here. Reasons don't really matter, once one of a couple groups makes the suggestion, its a dog pile.

Witch part of "looming deline" don't you unnerstand? You had yore vote on Wing - and I wood have joined you their if I thort Wing had a good chanse of been linched - but he dident, and it was inportent dat we linched sumwun. I tink most playas realized dis, hense teh "dog pile", as you put it.

I would rather have not lynched than to have lynched a town player. Maybe it is inexperience, but there were plenty of other lynches proposed, yet somehow they were ignored until the very last minute, when suddenly it was "falko... GOTTA lynch NOW!"


and, despite all the accusations and counter claims, I don't really see anything consistent or real in most, except that several folks are tied together. I did have you on my "probably town" list, but you are quickly going off it... not that it matters.

Regardless, I have to work a long shift today, so will not be posting again until tomorrow.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

MOD note: It's N3 now so start sending actions if you have them to all 3 of us, dakky21, Epitaph1 and Streaker. Thank you!!!

D4 will continue on Monday I believe. So take your time.

thats a long ass night. 3 days would have been sat morning

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Action sent.

So the question is who did I shoot. Bet your all on tenterhooks!

[Ragian]

Thanks for the effort, Aladdin, but Deg is tunnelling. We're both scum now

Night action away here as well!

[degaston]

If you received a gun with a note that said "Force is all-conquering, but its victories are short-lived.", would you have concluded that the kill option was suicidal? It might be reasonable to think that the target would come back as a zombie or something, but how can suicide be interpreted as "all-conquering" or even a "short-lived victory"?

If he reely wanted to kill you, why wood he attach a note at orl?

Teh note seems kind of stupid,imo, becorse it dozent test fer alinement, as Ragian sed he wanted it to - it tests fer ability to desyfer criptik riddels. And, as you say, it isent even a good riddel. But teh fact dat their is a note at orl seems to indikate he was just a bit confuzed in his tinkink, not Mafia trying to kill you.

Maybe he wanted some way to explain himself if it was found that he gave me a gun that killed me. If I say that I got a gun with no note that had a kill setting, and I use it and die, then the inventor is pretty obviously scum. By attaching a note, he can claim that it was supposed to be a warning to town not to use it to kill. He was just trying to keep his options open, and provide a way to cover his ass if it drew attention to him.

I see Ragian thinks I'm tunneling. Perhaps I am, but perhaps it's justified. I think the townies are afraid of making the wrong move, so they follow the herd and look for safe options. I feel like I have to make my case as strongly as I can, because otherwise we will continue to lynch VT's until it's too late.

It has not escaped my notice that you came to his defense as soon as I started asking questions about the gun. First, you provided speculative answers to the questions I was asking him, then you tried to shut me down by saying that it didn't matter, and that I was just trying to generate noise. And all this was before I had even accused him of anything. If you were town, you would have no reason to be trying so hard to help him. And BTW, at this point, I still have 297 posts to go before I've generated the level of noise that you have.

[degaston]

Thirty-nine hours just isent enuff, wot with peepul in diff time zones and having RL tings to take care of.

In the Harry Potter game, a near lynch was turned around to someone else in about 2 hours. Though in that case, the lynch went from one townie to another, so the scum weren't fighting against it, saying that there wasn't enough time, etc.

[AladdinSane]

I think the townies are afraid of making the wrong move, so they follow the herd and look for safe options. I feel like I have to make my case as strongly as I can, because otherwise we will continue to lynch VT's until it's too late.

It has not escaped my notice that you came to his defense as soon as I started asking questions about the gun. First, you provided speculative answers to the questions I was asking him, then you tried to shut me down by saying that it didn't matter, and that I was just trying to generate noise.

Do you see teh contradickshun here? You accuze peepul of following teh herd, but wen i don't imediately agree wit yer case aginst Ragian and ask qwestjuns and want you to eggsplain yore thery ferther, I'm "defending him".

I'm not defending him, it's just dat yer case, as orijinally stated, dident seem convincing to me, hense I am raising qwestjuns. Did is precisely why I say 39 hours isent enuf. Dese qwestjuns need to be asked and ansered, and dat takes time.

I agree wit you dat teh Falko linch was teh groop looking fer the safe opshun (I corled it teh "eesy linch" at teh time) but - I'm tired of repeeting dis - time was short. Maybe we shood aim at geting the next vote together ahed of teh dedline so their isent a mad scrambul at teh end.

Enyway, wen I provided spekulative ansers to yer qwestjuns, I was only trying to be helpful. Wot other motive cood I posibly have had, wen the man himself cood (and did) orso anser at eny time? I don't see eny harm in speckulashun.

As fer accusing you of generating noise, I just dident see wear you were going wit teh line of qwestjuning. And I still don't tink it is a line of enquiry likely to bare much froot, but dat's just my opinyun.

Look, Ragian mite well be scum, but teh qwestjuns I am asking have to be asked, by sumwun. We don't want to be linching peepul just becorse wun playa points a finger and says "He's scum". That wood be a shore way to lose qwikly.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

@LSU, are you allowed to make a gun that would kill others?

from what i understand on my role given I am not allowed to make a killing device. As such, I can not make a gun with a kill setting on it.

[degaston]

I think the townies are afraid of making the wrong move, so they follow the herd and look for safe options. I feel like I have to make my case as strongly as I can, because otherwise we will continue to lynch VT's until it's too late.

It has not escaped my notice that you came to his defense as soon as I started asking questions about the gun. First, you provided speculative answers to the questions I was asking him, then you tried to shut me down by saying that it didn't matter, and that I was just trying to generate noise.

Do you see teh contradickshun here? You accuze peepul of following teh herd, but wen i don't imediately agree wit yer case aginst Ragian and ask qwestjuns and want you to eggsplain yore thery ferther, I'm "defending him".

It's not that you disagreed with my case, it's that you started defending him before I had even started to make a case. Let's go to the transcript, shall we?

Some time after Ragian claimed and said that the kill option on the gun would have been suicidal, it started to bother me that he would give that kind of invention to someone who he thought was town. Since I still didn't know exactly what the gun was supposed to do, I decided to ask him.

What was I supposed to conclude from that quote even if I had realized it was by Lincoln, and I was "thinking Star Trek"?

Would the kill option also have killed the target?

After almost a full day, this was his response:

It was a quote meant to indicate that using the kill option meant your own death. The "gun" would have exploded in your hand and killed you.

I'm hung over. Will read closer later today.

Which basically answered nothing. It didn't say how I was supposed to come to the correct conclusion from that quote, or what Star Trek had to do with it, and it did not answer my very simple and direct question of whether my target would also have been killed. I hadn't expected it to be a difficult question to answer, but I didn't get all huffy about it. I just rephrased it, dropped the part about the quote to focus just on the facts of the matter, and added a question about the paralyze option because I had meant to ask about it earlier.

I understand that it would have killed me. Would it have killed my target?

What would paralyze have done?

So, as you can see, I'm just asking very simple, fact based questions about the nature of his invention. But for some reason, you decided that you needed to add your own speculation about it.

Just a wild gess, but maybe it wood have stopped him frum posting. I'm orso going too gess dat teh "woond" setting stops its target frum performing eny ackshuns there roll mite grant dem.

Why would you feel that you needed to do this? He claimed to be the inventor of it, so he should have known exactly what it did, and should be able to tell me. You should not know anything about it, so your speculation adds nothing. Still, I think I was being resonably polite by updating you on something you may have missed, and reminding you that you really don't need to intrude on this.

Ragian already answered the part about wounding:

Obviously, wounding wouldn't wesult in killing as the thiwd option would have been wedundant then. By wounding mitch, you jailed him.

But there's no reason for you to speculate about what it did, is there? He can answer it for himself.

But here's where it starts to get more interesting to me.

I'm assuming dat, if he knew, he wood have told us awreddy.

But at this point, he had not told us, therefore, by your logic, you are assuming that he did not know what his own invention did. Can you explain why you would assume that? I kind of doubt that you can. What it looks like to me, is that you are defending Ragian from these questions by suggesting that he doesn't know the answer, and therefore, your speculation is as valid as anyone else's.

Besides, "woonding" isent teh same as "jailing" becorse it lacks teh pertecktive aspect (persumably).

He made the damn thing. He'd better know what it was supposed to do.

Well, he hasent been very forthcoming about it so far, has he? Wot does it matter wot teh "paralize" setting wood have dun anyway? How is knowing dat going to move tings forward? Looks like a line of enkwiry desined to genarate noise rather than identify scum.

Correct, so why are you covering for him by speculating on things that should be easy for him to answer?
I don't know if it matters what paralyze did. Why do you have a problem with me asking a question about it?

Okay, well if you tink it's going to leed sumwear, carry on.

I understand that it would have killed me. Would it have killed my target?

What would paralyze have done?

No, it would have only killed you. Pawalyse was woleblocking. Wound was jailing. Also, if Benga hasn't used his thing yet, thewe's no weason for him to claim its abilities.

Besides, "woonding" isent teh same as "jailing" becorse it lacks teh pertecktive aspect (persumably).

Stop this now. I invented the damn thing. You have zewo to add.

When I started asking Ragian questions about the gun, I was not accusing him of anything. I was not making a case, so there shouldn't have been anything for you

I'm not defending him, it's just dat yer case, as orijinally stated, dident seem convincing to me, hense I am raising qwestjuns. Did is precisely why I say 39 hours isent enuf. Dese qwestjuns need to be asked and ansered, and dat takes time.

I agree wit you dat teh Falko linch was teh groop looking fer the safe opshun (I corled it teh "eesy linch" at teh time) but - I'm tired of repeeting dis - time was short. Maybe we shood aim at geting the next vote together ahed of teh dedline so their isent a mad scrambul at teh end.

Enyway, wen I provided spekulative ansers to yer qwestjuns, I was only trying to be helpful. Wot other motive cood I posibly have had, wen the man himself cood (and did) orso anser at eny time? I don't see eny harm in speckulashun.

As fer accusing you of generating noise, I just dident see wear you were going wit teh line of qwestjuning. And I still don't tink it is a line of enquiry likely to bare much froot, but dat's just my opinyun.

Look, Ragian mite well be scum, but teh qwestjuns I am asking have to be asked, by sumwun. We don't want to be linching peepul just becorse wun playa points a finger and says "He's scum". That wood be a shore way to lose qwikly.

[degaston]

Goddammit, I wasn't finished... To be continued...

[degaston]

Here's the full post. Please ignore the previous one.

I think the townies are afraid of making the wrong move, so they follow the herd and look for safe options. I feel like I have to make my case as strongly as I can, because otherwise we will continue to lynch VT's until it's too late.

It has not escaped my notice that you came to his defense as soon as I started asking questions about the gun. First, you provided speculative answers to the questions I was asking him, then you tried to shut me down by saying that it didn't matter, and that I was just trying to generate noise.

Do you see teh contradickshun here? You accuze peepul of following teh herd, but wen i don't imediately agree wit yer case aginst Ragian and ask qwestjuns and want you to eggsplain yore thery ferther, I'm "defending him".

It's not that you disagreed with my case, it's that you started defending him before I had even started to make a case. Let's go to the transcript, shall we?

Some time after Ragian claimed and said that the kill option on the gun would have been suicidal, it started to bother me that he would give that kind of invention to someone who he thought was town. Since I still didn't know exactly what the gun was supposed to do, I decided to ask him.

What was I supposed to conclude from that quote even if I had realized it was by Lincoln, and I was "thinking Star Trek"?

Would the kill option also have killed the target?

After almost a full day, this was his response:

It was a quote meant to indicate that using the kill option meant your own death. The "gun" would have exploded in your hand and killed you.

I'm hung over. Will read closer later today.

Which basically answered nothing. It didn't say how I was supposed to come to the correct conclusion from that quote, or what Star Trek had to do with it, (Note: after re-reading his comment, I now think he was just saying that it was a phaser rather than a gun.) and it did not answer my very simple and direct question of whether my target would also have been killed. I hadn't expected it to be a difficult question to answer, but I didn't get all huffy about it. I just rephrased it, dropped the part about the quote to focus just on the facts of the matter, and added a question about the paralyze option because I had meant to ask about it earlier.

I understand that it would have killed me. Would it have killed my target?

What would paralyze have done?

So, as you can see, I'm just asking very simple, fact based questions about the nature of his invention. But for some reason, you decided that you needed to add your own speculation about it.

Just a wild gess, but maybe it wood have stopped him frum posting. I'm orso going too gess dat teh "woond" setting stops its target frum performing eny ackshuns there roll mite grant dem.

Why would you feel that you needed to do this? He claimed to be the inventor of it, so he should have known exactly what it did, and should be able to tell me. You should not know anything about it, so your speculation adds nothing. Still, I think I was being resonably polite by updating you on something you may have missed, and reminding you that you really don't need to intrude on this.

Ragian already answered the part about wounding:

Obviously, wounding wouldn't wesult in killing as the thiwd option would have been wedundant then. By wounding mitch, you jailed him.

But there's no reason for you to speculate about what it did, is there? He can answer it for himself.

Here's where it starts to get more interesting to me.

I'm assuming dat, if he knew, he wood have told us awreddy.

But at this point, he had not told us, therefore, by your logic, you are assuming that he did not know what his own invention did. Can you explain why you would assume that? I kind of doubt that you can. What it looks like to me, is that you are defending Ragian from these questions by suggesting that he doesn't know the answer, and therefore, your speculation is as valid as anyone else's.
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So now you add even more speculation, which has already been contradicted by what the inventor said. This seems only intended to further confuse the issue.

Besides, "woonding" isent teh same as "jailing" becorse it lacks teh pertecktive aspect (persumably).

Okay, so now I'm getting pretty sick of your useless posts, but I don't want to get bogged down in an argument with you. I just want him to answer the questions.

He made the damn thing. He'd better know what it was supposed to do.

But you continue to make it even more interesting.

Well, he hasent been very forthcoming about it so far, has he? Wot does it matter wot teh "paralize" setting wood have dun anyway? How is knowing dat going to move tings forward? Looks like a line of enkwiry desined to genarate noise rather than identify scum.

You admit that he hasn't been forthcoming with a response. But instead of following up with, "That's kind of scummy of him, isn't it.", you turn it around into an attack on me. Suddenly, my questions don't matter, they won't move things forward, and I'm the one who's trying to confuse everyone with noise rather than find scum. If that isn't you playing defense for Ragian, then I don't know what would be.

But I'm really not interested in playing your game at the moment

Correct, so why are you covering for him by speculating on things that should be easy for him to answer?
I don't know if it matters what paralyze did. Why do you have a problem with me asking a question about it?

And as soon as I start to indicate a connection between the two of you, you quietly back away.

Okay, well if you tink it's going to leed sumwear, carry on.

Then finally, after 2 1/2 days, Ragian decides to give me an answer.

I understand that it would have killed me. Would it have killed my target?

What would paralyze have done?

No, it would have only killed you. Pawalyse was woleblocking. Wound was jailing. Also, if Benga hasn't used his thing yet, thewe's no weason for him to claim its abilities.

Besides, "woonding" isent teh same as "jailing" becorse it lacks teh pertecktive aspect (persumably).

Stop this now. I invented the damn thing. You have zewo to add.

The anger at you was a nice touch, I think, and probably sincere.

I'm not defending him, it's just dat yer case, as orijinally stated, dident seem convincing to me, hense I am raising qwestjuns.

All of this happened without a single accusation by me. I was not trying to convince anyone of anything, I was just asking a couple of simple questions. You were most certainly defending him, and the only purpose of your questions was to get me to stop asking mine.

[rizky_biznezz]

I'm waiting to find out the outcome of bengas gift and whoever gets something next but i will take all of ur points in to consideration when I have a look thru later deg

[madmitch]

night action sent in, how the how are you guys getting so much in a post?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Rage, when does your gift to benga expire?

[AladdinSane]

All of this happened without a single accusation by me. I was not trying to convince anyone of anything, I was just asking a couple of simple questions. You were most certainly defending him, and the only purpose of your questions was to get me to stop asking mine.

Nope. Sory but you just wasted serval hours of yore life. If you've been paying attenshun, you'd know that I like to spuckulate about wot's going on. I did it on D1 wen I spekulated abbout wot was going on wit teh esylum, HS, and IB, fer eggsampul - and I copped heet fer it then, too. I'm just enjoyin teh game - it's fun to me to try to werk out wot is going on.

Like I sed before, wot posibul scum motive cood I have fer teh spekulashun avbout teh gun? It's blindingly obvius dat it is ONLY spekulashun, and dat teh final werd wood have to cum frum teh man hisself. Sheesh.

Ackshually, teh last point you made about Ragian's akshuns mite hold sum merit, I tink: You sed dat teh reeson he attached a note at orl was to cover hisself when teh gun eggsploded. Teh firt ting I thort was, "No, he dident have to anounse he was inventer erlier" but, given Storr's erly push fer massclaim, he wood have had to know he mite have to claim, so dat's not it. So, yeah, maybe you are rite, or maybe he cood have just sed teh gun dident werk as he had planed, just like teh other invenshuns in dis game. I.e. it killed teh shooter, not teh shootee, mutch like LSU TJ's swetter told his own roll, not Storr's.

So, it's grate yer making an effert to find scum, preshus few playas are making a genuine effert, and I still reed you as Town. Feel free to ask me enyting ferther about my comments about enyting and keep rite on after Ragian if you reely tink teh case has legs, but how about you also widen yer focus a bit and give us yer views on stuff like wether Marashu is likely to have changed alinement?

[rizky_biznezz]

I think I have missed something.. What night action does Mitch have should I be worried