European dream is dying

[GoranZ]

IDK how would excluding Greece from Schengen Zone possibly gonna ease the situation with the migrants...
And there are rumors that my country(Macedonia) would have to lock the border with Greece. And we will be back to all that visas shit.
*EU Interior Ministers Can Discuss Greece's Exclusion From Schengen Zone

Unfortunately Greece is being used as a scapegoat for a joint failure. As a concept I think Schengen, just like the EU, is a good idea and is worth working on. It's just a pity that politicians haven't been proactive enough. For decades researchers have been predicting larger migrations to europe, and things could easily get worse as global warming is proving devastating in Africa.

As a concept both Schengen and EU are well thought off, but current politicians are twisting what was agreed and are acting horribly when it comes to the refugees crisis. Europe should be more friendly towards those refugees that are compatible with European norms and totally unfriendly towards those refugees that are not compatible with European norms. After all you cant accept all people in Europe.
And above all those that would come to Europe must work. If they cant work they should return to the place they originate from. Simple.

[Bernie Sanders]

Just wondering....once the Russian economy collapses, should the EU accept them? Considering the crime and corruption in Russia nowadays...

[GoranZ]

Just wondering....once the Russian economy collapses, should the EU accept them? Considering the crime and corruption in Russia nowadays...

US oil industry is on the verge of collapse, house market is even worse... In fact US is on the verge of total collapse And EU most likely wont help you

[riskllama]

Will you two just stfu already and get married???

[Bernie Sanders]

Just wondering....once the Russian economy collapses, should the EU accept them? Considering the crime and corruption in Russia nowadays...

US oil industry is on the verge of collapse, house market is even worse... In fact US is on the verge of total collapse And EU most likely wont help you

Wrong again and again, don't you tire of your nonsense?

Housing prices have increased 5% in America.

Americans are profiting from the collapse of oil prices, unlike Russia.

Now go away and play with your mental equals at some playground.

[GoranZ]

Poor EU

[Army of GOD]

who was the crazy guy on here who thought the EU was a sign that the anti-christ was coming?

[riskllama]

Americans are profiting from the collapse of oil prices, unlike Russia.

u sure about that, bernie? i would assume the gulf states, oklahoma and the dakotas are experiencing some very rough times right now. that is what is happening in the canadian oilpatch right now, anyways. only 26% of the ENTIRE fleet of drilling rigs are working right now. ouch! i can only assume there have been massive layoffs south of the border, as well. so, who exactly is profiting from oil under $30/barrel? it sure ain't the guys who pull it out of the ground...

[Symmetry]

Americans are profiting from the collapse of oil prices, unlike Russia.

u sure about that, bernie? i would assume the gulf states, oklahoma and the dakotas are experiencing some very rough times right now. that is what is happening in the canadian oilpatch right now, anyways. only 26% of the ENTIRE fleet of drilling rigs are working right now. ouch! i can only assume there have been massive layoffs south of the border, as well. so, who exactly is profiting from oil under $30/barrel? it sure ain't the guys who pull it out of the ground...

Surely companies that use oil or oil based products?

[Dukasaur]

Americans are profiting from the collapse of oil prices, unlike Russia.

u sure about that, bernie? i would assume the gulf states, oklahoma and the dakotas are experiencing some very rough times right now. that is what is happening in the canadian oilpatch right now, anyways. only 26% of the ENTIRE fleet of drilling rigs are working right now. ouch! i can only assume there have been massive layoffs south of the border, as well. so, who exactly is profiting from oil under $30/barrel? it sure ain't the guys who pull it out of the ground...

Um... pretty much anyone who's products are shipped by diesel-powered trucks, trains, planes, or ships. Which is almost everyone except the media and Internet websites.

Probably something near 75% of the economic spectrum rejoices at reduced fuel prices. Maybe 15 or 20% couldn't care less and not much more than 10% is harmed by them.

[waauw]

The 6 founding nations of the EU; Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, France, Germany and Italy have expressed their opinion to continue the process of integration whether it be with or without the rest of the EU-members. Seems like the EU-dream is far from dieing

[GoranZ]

The 6 founding nations of the EU; Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, France, Germany and Italy have expressed their opinion to continue the process of integration whether it be with or without the rest of the EU-members. Seems like the EU-dream is far from dieing

Way I see it... We(Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, France, Germany and Italy) are making second level, and those that want to remain on first level they can do so
I presume they will make it easier for going to second level from first and back

Nice looking game

[Bernie Sanders]

The 6 founding nations of the EU; Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, France, Germany and Italy have expressed their opinion to continue the process of integration whether it be with or without the rest of the EU-members. Seems like the EU-dream is far from dieing

Way I see it... We(Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, France, Germany and Italy) are making second level, and those that want to remain on first level they can do so
I presume they will make it easier for going to second level from first and back

Nice looking game

GoranZ, are you just plain stupid? Or, were you born with an extra set of chromosomes? That would make you "special"

[waauw]

The 6 founding nations of the EU; Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, France, Germany and Italy have expressed their opinion to continue the process of integration whether it be with or without the rest of the EU-members. Seems like the EU-dream is far from dieing

Way I see it... We(Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, France, Germany and Italy) are making second level, and those that want to remain on first level they can do so
I presume they will make it easier for going to second level from first and back

Nice looking game

It's better this way. As the Belgian national motto goes "l'union fait la force"(="with unity comes strength")

[GoranZ]

The 6 founding nations of the EU; Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, France, Germany and Italy have expressed their opinion to continue the process of integration whether it be with or without the rest of the EU-members. Seems like the EU-dream is far from dieing

Way I see it... We(Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, France, Germany and Italy) are making second level, and those that want to remain on first level they can do so
I presume they will make it easier for going to second level from first and back

Nice looking game

GoranZ, are you just plain stupid? Or, were you born with an extra set of chromosomes? That would make you "special"

You have difficulties understanding me? I'm truly sorry...
Here is a book for you

[GoranZ]

The 6 founding nations of the EU; Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, France, Germany and Italy have expressed their opinion to continue the process of integration whether it be with or without the rest of the EU-members. Seems like the EU-dream is far from dieing

Way I see it... We(Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, France, Germany and Italy) are making second level, and those that want to remain on first level they can do so
I presume they will make it easier for going to second level from first and back

Nice looking game

It's better this way. As the Belgian national motto goes "l'union fait la force"(="with unity comes strength")

Unity is not the problem, never was. Probably every European now is aware that war brings no good for Europe. The continent suffered way too much in the last 100 years(more war than peace).
Europe has two problems atm, external ones with instability around it, and internal with its politicians. External ones are easily solvable, with proper efforts but internal ones are not that easily solvable. In the last 10 years all European politicians are only patching problems, not solving them. They patch one problem, and open another, and that is way too much irresponsible.
We need different kind of politicians, some that are not bureaucrats.

[waauw]

The 6 founding nations of the EU; Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, France, Germany and Italy have expressed their opinion to continue the process of integration whether it be with or without the rest of the EU-members. Seems like the EU-dream is far from dieing

Way I see it... We(Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, France, Germany and Italy) are making second level, and those that want to remain on first level they can do so
I presume they will make it easier for going to second level from first and back

Nice looking game

It's better this way. As the Belgian national motto goes "l'union fait la force"(="with unity comes strength")

Unity is not the problem, never was. Probably every European now is aware that war brings no good for Europe. The continent suffered way too much in the last 100 years(more war than peace).
Europe has two problems atm, external ones with instability around it, and internal with its politicians. External ones are easily solvable, with proper efforts but internal ones are not that easily solvable. In the last 10 years all European politicians are only patching problems, not solving them. They patch one problem, and open another, and that is way too much irresponsible.
We need different kind of politicians, some that are not bureaucrats.

I think american interventionism and the never-ending supply of radical muslims are proof enough that the external problems are very difficult to solve. Once Syria is stabilized again(I only think the west should intervein their because we created that mess), we should stay the f*ck away from them. Their religious wars will never end.

The internal problems are actually easier to solve. The big problem is that the EU absorbed too many members too fast. They should have finished more of the groundwork before allowing such rapid access. But apparently NATO anti-russian lobby was strong enough in europe to convince us in snatching eastern europe away from Russia. The white house even tried the same thing by trying to get us to take in Turkey for the past 2 decades(luckily we did not budge on that front). The only thing we really need to do to make progress on the internal issues, disregarding financial corruption, is to have less people around the table. It's easier to come to a deal between 6 members than it is between 28.

[mrswdk]

I think american interventionism and the never-ending supply of radical muslims are proof enough that the external problems are very difficult to solve. Once Syria is stabilized again(I only think the west should intervein their because we created that mess), we should stay the f*ck away from them. Their religious wars will never end.

The civil war in Syria is no more a religious war than WW2 was.

[waauw]

I think american interventionism and the never-ending supply of radical muslims are proof enough that the external problems are very difficult to solve. Once Syria is stabilized again(I only think the west should intervein their because we created that mess), we should stay the f*ck away from them. Their religious wars will never end.

The civil war in Syria is no more a religious war than WW2 was.

Tell that to ISIS.

[mrswdk]

I think american interventionism and the never-ending supply of radical muslims are proof enough that the external problems are very difficult to solve. Once Syria is stabilized again(I only think the west should intervein their because we created that mess), we should stay the f*ck away from them. Their religious wars will never end.

The civil war in Syria is no more a religious war than WW2 was.

Tell that to ISIS.

ISIS only cropped up as a force in the civil war more than 2 years after the war began.

[waauw]

I think american interventionism and the never-ending supply of radical muslims are proof enough that the external problems are very difficult to solve. Once Syria is stabilized again(I only think the west should intervein their because we created that mess), we should stay the f*ck away from them. Their religious wars will never end.

The civil war in Syria is no more a religious war than WW2 was.

Tell that to ISIS.

ISIS only cropped up as a force in the civil war more than 2 years after the war began.

And now it is part of the civil war. Not to mention, even before ISIS, radical muslim groups amongst the rebels were massacring all non-sunnis. There is a reason why so many non-sunni's were on the side of Assad. He isn't mr nice guy, but he did protect the rights of minorities.

[mrswdk]

Once Syria is stabilized again(I only think the west should intervein their because we created that mess), we should stay the f*ck away from them. Their religious wars will never end.

There is a reason why so many non-sunni's were on the side of Assad. He isn't mr nice guy, but he did protect the rights of minorities.

To takeaway from those two quotes is that ISIS is not really 'their' religious war is it? It's a religious campaign that has begun because, and only because, countries such as America and France ganged up behind the rebels to try and topple Assad. Had they not done this, Assad would probably have crushed them relatively swiftly and ISIS would never have gotten a chance to establish themselves the way they have done.

So yes, America and Europe should stay away, but not because the Middle East is full of religious wars too big for them to mediate. They should stay away because they are the enablers who make those wars possible in the first place.

[waauw]

Once Syria is stabilized again(I only think the west should intervein their because we created that mess), we should stay the f*ck away from them. Their religious wars will never end.

There is a reason why so many non-sunni's were on the side of Assad. He isn't mr nice guy, but he did protect the rights of minorities.

To takeaway from those two quotes is that ISIS is not really 'their' religious war is it? It's a religious campaign that has begun because, and only because, countries such as America and France ganged up behind the rebels to try and topple Assad. Had they not done this, Assad would probably have crushed them relatively swiftly and ISIS would never have gotten a chance to establish themselves the way they have done.

So yes, America and Europe should stay away, but not because the Middle East is full of religious wars too big for them to mediate. They should stay away because they are the enablers who make those wars possible in the first place.

Next you're going to try and make me think the Arabs didn't go to war in Yemen for religious reasons and that they didn't crush the shiite rebellion in Bahrein for religious reasons either

[mrswdk]

The Saudis are supporting the Yemen government against an insurgency and the uprising in Bahrain was about political and civil rights, not religion.

[waauw]

The Saudis are supporting the Yemen government against an insurgency and the uprising in Bahrain was about political and civil rights, not religion.

Riiiiight and it's just a coincidence those are the two only countries on the peninsula with such large shiite populations.