Dear Biblical Literalists

[jgordon1111]

Ok yoshi,or would you prefer Joshua, lets talk, what you got?

[jgordon1111]

Ok, at first I was humored, when I saw this thread, but one thing has always stood out and rang true, no (man) knows the mind of God,and that is obviously true or we wouldn't be where we are today,still fighting,over wildly enough different interpretations of what man thought God wants, I have tried to find out in many religious texts the exact part when God said go thou out rape,mass murder,enslave,whoever thee desire to and know you have the blessing of your God. Just ain't there in Christianity,islam,hebrew or any religion at all in the oldest texts I can find

Time goes on you don't need the yellow or silver in the sky for their to be time, we calculate it 24 hrs= 1 day God has probably a different calulation of time altogether.

2 genesis is easy lilith refused to be subjegated to adam,so God made another woman

I will cover the other stuff later.

[tzor]

Wait a second?
There are Biblical LIteralists here?
And they post?
(And if the above two are true why aren't they in the Jesus Freaks group, I posted something there on Genesis back in December and haven't seen a single peep.)

But if you want to throw it back in the other direction. The whole principle underlying the false philosophical extension of Darwin's theory of evolution is that everything is the result of random chance. Once you factor how dangerous the universe is and the ever increasing number of parameters to allow for any significant land dwelling creature with the ability to gain intelligence, we tend to go from lucky, to damn lucky, to mind-blowing lucky, to (are you using a god damned infinite impossibility machine) lucky.

As Obi-Wan said, "In my opinion, there is no such thing as luck."

[hotfire]

why does a creature have to be a terrestrial creature to be significant? Marine life existed for billion of years before any terrestrial life and both marine and terrestrial forms live, reproduce and die in its lifespan. Just because humanity is here now does not mean humanity needed to exist for Earth to be of any significance.

[tzor]

why does a creature have to be a terrestrial creature to be significant?

It's generally hard to invent electronics when you are in a very conductive medium ... just saying.

And by the way, all of the significantly intelligent creatures currently living in the sea came from land dwelling ancestors ... also just saying.

[tzor]

Saying, "literal genesis account" vs. "random chance" is a false dichotomy.

I wasn't trying to make a dichotomy. I'm reversing the argument. There is a massive land between the far example of biblical literalists and pure "random chance" evolutionists. Inside that massive land people can (shock and horror) believe in God and evolution AT THE SAME TIME.

By the way, did you know that a child's vision isn't fully formed at birth? SOURCE

At birth, babies' vision is abuzz with all kinds of visual stimulation. While they may look intently at a highly contrasted target, babies have not yet developed the ability to easily tell the difference between two targets or move their eyes between the two images. Their primary focus is on objects 8 to 10 inches from their face or the distance to parent's face.

First they have to expand their vision (literally) to see the other. Then they learn about "the other." It takes a while to move from the self. Probably a lifetime.

[jgordon1111]

Wait a second?
There are Biblical LIteralists here?
And they post?
(And if the above two are true why aren't they in the Jesus Freaks group, I posted something there on Genesis back in December and haven't seen a single peep.)

But if you want to throw it back in the other direction. The whole principle underlying the false philosophical extension of Darwin's theory of evolution is that everything is the result of random chance. Once you factor how dangerous the universe is and the ever increasing number of parameters to allow for any significant land dwelling creature with the ability to gain intelligence, we tend to go from lucky, to damn lucky, to mind-blowing lucky, to (are you using a god damned infinite impossibility machine) lucky.

As Obi-Wan said, "In my opinion, there is no such thing as luck."

If you think my position is from lack of belief in the creator you would be incorrect.

And yes to your above statement, the odds of us being here by coincidence are incalculable.

[Bernie Sanders]

Wait a second?
There are Biblical LIteralists here?
And they post?
(And if the above two are true why aren't they in the Jesus Freaks group, I posted something there on Genesis back in December and haven't seen a single peep.)

But if you want to throw it back in the other direction. The whole principle underlying the false philosophical extension of Darwin's theory of evolution is that everything is the result of random chance. Once you factor how dangerous the universe is and the ever increasing number of parameters to allow for any significant land dwelling creature with the ability to gain intelligence, we tend to go from lucky, to damn lucky, to mind-blowing lucky, to (are you using a god damned infinite impossibility machine) lucky.

As Obi-Wan said, "In my opinion, there is no such thing as luck."

If you think my position is from lack of belief in the creator you would be incorrect.

And yes to your above statement, the odds of us being here by coincidence are incalculable.

But believing there's a GOD! is calculable?

[jgordon1111]

Now back to yoshi, another thing that leaps out is as far as I am aware the only thing God ever actually wrote (supposedly) was the ten commandments, which Moses in his great audacity knowing the mind of God took upon himself to smash, never to be seen again.everything else is inspired by whatever people choose to believe, in hopes that what they do is not in vain. Thus explaining literal and interpetive views of religious texts, it is all about which you believe is gonna save you,oddly enough

[Bernie Sanders]

Now back to yoshi, another thing that leaps out is as far as I am aware the only thing God ever actually wrote (supposedly) was the ten commandments, which Moses in his great audacity knowing the mind of God took upon himself to smash, never to be seen again.everything else is inspired by whatever people choose to believe, in hopes that what they do is not in vain. Thus explaining literal and interpetive views of religious texts, it is all about which you believe is gonna save you,oddly enough

Save us from what?

[Phatscotty]

Why do you suck cock so much?

Since this website began, I have argued with every Aslan, schiro and Scotty and nobody has entered with me into a debate on literalism from a theological perspective.

So, I shall resort to straw manning.

schiro: evolution is a lie because genesis doesn't include it.
Yoshi: what about the serpent evolving
Schiro: you will notice the serpent doesn't become an intermediate species
Yoshi: intermediate species aren't necessary for evolution to occur. At a macroscopic level, only one gene change is required to make teosinte look like corn
Schiro: I f*ck zebras
Yoshi: you have no reason to take the bible as literal truth
Schiro: yes I do "scripture ref"
Yoshi: Matthew 2:15 and 18 include old testament references not taken literally
Schiro: 2:15 is a type of literal prophecy called a type, every bit as real as the obvious prophecies
Yoshi: types are literally metaphors
Schiro: metaphors are literally true
Yoshi: my dick is literally your mouth

Note: any similarity to users real or imagined is highly unlikely, and totally coincidence.

woohoo!

I can't say you have ever argued with me on this topic, because if you had, you wouldn't name me here. So, for your satisfaction and because I like your style I'll plug in my answers to your conversation above.

scotty: I don't doubt the theory of evolution, I base nothing on Genesis, not even 1%. I have not even read Genesis except for a couple passages checking they actually exist 'sons of the gods' etc...
Yoshi: what about the serpent evolving
Scotty: I am not a Bible literalist, I have no idea what you are talking about
Yoshi: intermediate species aren't necessary for evolution to occur. At a macroscopic level, only one gene change is required to make teosinte look like corn
Scotty: I can buy that
Yoshi: you have no reason to take the bible as literal truth
Scotty: it's cool, I don't
Yoshi: Matthew 2:15 and 18 include old testament references not taken literally
Scotty: I'll check those out and get back to you
Yoshi: types are literally metaphors
Scotty: gimme a minute to see what I am talking about before I begin talking about it
Yoshi: my dick is literally your mouth
scotty: yummy!

[tzor]

Now back to yoshi, another thing that leaps out is as far as I am aware the only thing God ever actually wrote (supposedly) was the ten commandments

If you really want to nit pick, that's not correct. God wrote the "Ten Words" (which could be ten sayings or the ten matters). So we don't know if the actual words are listed in the two accounts in Exodus and Deuteronomy or if they are extrapolations from those ten words.

The Christian will point out that it is recorded Jesus wrote words on the ground. What those words were, we don't now because they were never copied.

[Phatscotty]

Scotty: you mean to tell me you spend all your time in an anti-intellectual crusade against reason not out of faith, but out of sheer ignorance?

I guess I mean to tell you you aren't understanding much of what I say. Feel free to show me an example and I will address it honestly either way

[Phatscotty]

Scotty: you mean to tell me you spend all your time in an anti-intellectual crusade against reason not out of faith, but out of sheer ignorance?

I guess I mean to tell you you aren't understanding much of what I say. Feel free to show me an example and I will address it honestly either way

I will add, I've only operated with the purpose of not using theology to prove anything, and trying very hard to keep it science based on the latest discoveries. Trying very hard because the most scientific among us are the one's who can't seem to help trying to make it about religion or the supernatural, granted I never even brought it up in the first place.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I cannot compehend the concept that a god could exist who would demand adoration from his complete inferiors.

(Wait sorry, wrong thread)

[jgordon1111]

Now back to yoshi, another thing that leaps out is as far as I am aware the only thing God ever actually wrote (supposedly) was the ten commandments

If you really want to nit pick, that's not correct. God wrote the "Ten Words" (which could be ten sayings or the ten matters). So we don't know if the actual words are listed in the two accounts in Exodus and Deuteronomy or if they are extrapolations from those ten words.

The Christian will point out that it is recorded Jesus wrote words on the ground. What those words were, we don't now because they were never copied.

So Tzor you are a literalist then on one hand with the ten matters, and on the other a interpretationist with the words Jesus wrote on the ground, you remind me of Catholics, hedging your bets in a way, just my (interpretation
) of what you wrote.
If not explain where I misread.

[jgordon1111]

I cannot compehend the concept that a god could exist who would demand adoration from his complete inferiors.

(Wait sorry, wrong thread)

Easy one wing, that is a human trait, easily seen in every human in history who has power of any kind over others, and it is everyone of our faults that we let it happen and continue on this destructive course. When I say our fault,in reference to the past, even today no one steps up to try and stop this,instinctively we know where its taking all of us yet nothing.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I cannot compehend the concept that a god could exist who would demand adoration from his complete inferiors.

(Wait sorry, wrong thread)

Easy one wing, that is a human trait, easily seen in every human in history who has power of any kind over others, and it is everyone of our faults that we let it happen and continue on this destructive course. When I say our fault,in reference to the past, even today no one steps up to try and stop this,instinctively we know where its taking all of us yet nothing.

The entire concept of christianity teaches otherwise, except one point, that god requires worship.

Step up. Everyone can do their bit.

[Bernie Sanders]

I cannot compehend the concept that a god could exist who would demand adoration from his complete inferiors.

(Wait sorry, wrong thread)

Easy one wing, that is a human trait, easily seen in every human in history who has power of any kind over others, and it is everyone of our faults that we let it happen and continue on this destructive course. When I say our fault,in reference to the past, even today no one steps up to try and stop this,instinctively we know where its taking all of us yet nothing.

The entire concept of christianity teaches otherwise, except one point, that god requires worship.

Step up. Everyone can do their bit.

I know that GOD! needs rest, so he ain't invincible. Sunday he lays back and does nothing. Funny, heh, people decide to bother him/her on his day off with their silly religious services and praying.

[tzor]

I still don't understand why, after writing those words on the ground, He didn't throw the first stone. Is He trying to tell us that He is a sinner as well? Does that explain His repentant baptism at the hands of John, one of the few events referred to in all 4 gospels?

It's a complex story. You have to know the politics.

You see, the Pharisees considered themselves "sinless" because of their letter perfect interpretation of the law.
Now let's go back to the video tape.

The Pharisees, along with some nice Roman authority figures confront Jesus on a matter of stoning.
Under Roman Law only Rome has the right to capitol punishment.
The law demands stoning; to insist on the law is TREASON (punishable by ... you guessed it ... DEATH).
To not support the law questions the holiness of Jesus.
By saying "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone," he threw it back on the Pharisees.
YES, that's right, they were without SIN ...
AND ... oh crap ... to admit the truth puts THEM into TREASON ...
So in not throwing the first stone, did that make a statement that they were just like the SINNERS?

This is why the eldest started leaving first; they knew that they had been hoisted on their own petards.