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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby Bernie Sanders on Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:19 am

pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wants as all back on topic. About how we can make Germany great again if we just persecute a religious minority.


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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby pmchugh on Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:18 pm

mrswdk wrote:
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wants as all back on topic. About how we can make Germany great again if we just persecute a religious minority.


The religion of 'refugee'?


Islam.

GoranZ wrote:In the whole period Muslims in the Middle East/North Africa never showed their humanity, empathy or compassion towards the Christians(or other religious groups). Sorry but I'm no Christian to forgive them, and if they dont show their humanity, empathy or compassion towards others they shouldn't expect the same to be shown to them.
On top of everything they want to f*ck up Europe as they f*ck up Middle East... Sorry but I will be always against it.

Same thing that was happening in Cologne was happening during Arab Spring rebellions few years ago. Their mindset hasn't changed, and they show no intention to change their barbaric behavior even now.
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby GoranZ on Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:50 pm

pmchugh wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wants as all back on topic. About how we can make Germany great again if we just persecute a religious minority.


The religion of 'refugee'?


Islam.

GoranZ wrote:In the whole period Muslims in the Middle East/North Africa never showed their humanity, empathy or compassion towards the Christians(or other religious groups). Sorry but I'm no Christian to forgive them, and if they dont show their humanity, empathy or compassion towards others they shouldn't expect the same to be shown to them.
On top of everything they want to f*ck up Europe as they f*ck up Middle East... Sorry but I will be always against it.

Same thing that was happening in Cologne was happening during Arab Spring rebellions few years ago. Their mindset hasn't changed, and they show no intention to change their barbaric behavior even now.

Rapefugees are not minority, they are not considered as such in any country in the world. And they demonstrated their behavior in practice. Treat them according to their behavior.

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pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wants as all back on topic. About how we can make Germany great again if we just persecute a religious minority.


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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby pmchugh on Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:24 pm

GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wants as all back on topic. About how we can make Germany great again if we just persecute a religious minority.


The religion of 'refugee'?


Islam.

GoranZ wrote:In the whole period Muslims in the Middle East/North Africa never showed their humanity, empathy or compassion towards the Christians(or other religious groups). Sorry but I'm no Christian to forgive them, and if they dont show their humanity, empathy or compassion towards others they shouldn't expect the same to be shown to them.
On top of everything they want to f*ck up Europe as they f*ck up Middle East... Sorry but I will be always against it.

Same thing that was happening in Cologne was happening during Arab Spring rebellions few years ago. Their mindset hasn't changed, and they show no intention to change their barbaric behavior even now.

Rapefugees are not minority, they are not considered as such in any country in the world.


Lets be clear who you mean when you mention "Rapefugees" since earlier you were talking about the arab spring. Are you referring to:

A) All Muslims
B) All Muslim Refugees
C) All Refugees
D) Specifically the refugees who have committed rape

And they demonstrated their behavior in practice. Treat them according to their behavior.


I agree with this. Let us treat people according to their behaviour. What we should NOT do is treat them according to the behaviour of other people, whom you have adjudged to be part of the same group. People are guilty of their own actions but not other peoples. I am sure some Macedonians have committed rape, that doesn't make you a rapist.
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby Symmetry on Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:34 pm

Migrants and refugees are not necessarily the same.
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby GoranZ on Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:04 pm

pmchugh wrote:Lets be clear who you mean when you mention "Rapefugees" since earlier you were talking about the arab spring. Are you referring to:

A) All Muslims
B) All Muslim Refugees
C) All Refugees
D) Specifically the refugees who have committed rape

B and D.

pmchugh wrote:
And they demonstrated their behavior in practice. Treat them according to their behavior.


I agree with this. Let us treat people according to their behaviour. What we should NOT do is treat them according to the behaviour of other people, whom you have adjudged to be part of the same group. People are guilty of their own actions but not other peoples. I am sure some Macedonians have committed rape, that doesn't make you a rapist.

You are mixing two completely unrelated worlds. Yes there are some Macedonians that committed rape, but they represent similar percentage as in other European countries. Same can not be said for the Rapefugees.
Even if you take similar group of Macedonians as Rapefugees group in Cologne the chances that they will commit similar atrocities is around 0. Same applies to any EU nation(if you exclude their Muslim population).


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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby Bernie Sanders on Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:16 pm

The Republic of Macedonia has a corrupt government and police force. Crime has steadily increased the last 3 years.


Published at: International Journal of Legal Sciences “Justicia”, Faculty of Law – StateUniversity of Tetova, Nr. 1/2013, p.62-73
Ali Musliu, PhD State University of Tetova Violence against Women in Macedonia: Legal Equality for Unequal Citizens Abstract
Violence against women can take different forms, physical and psychological. While such forms are context specific, figures show that such violence undercuts all societies and cultures. It takes place both in the domestic and public spheres—in the family, school and workplace. In Macedonia as across the Balkan region, women continue to face discrimination and violations of their basic human rights. These violations include unequal access to employment and healthcare, domestic violence,human trafficking, and under-representation in decision-making bodies. Women from minority communities in particular suffer multiple forms of discrimination as they frequently experience high levels of poverty, alongside gender and ethnic discrimination. In Macedonia there is a considerable discrepancy between the laws which guarantee equality between men and women, and the actual legal practices or implementation of such laws, especially in rural areas. In this paper, I will make two points: first, I will underscore the links between private/public violence against women, the discrepancy between laws and the actual practices in relation to gender equality, and the need for institutionalized legal policies to combat such in consistencies; and second, I will argue that the State needs to implement legal changes in Macedonia to combat un-equal gender relations in which violence against women is a key feature. With reference to the legal framework of Macedonia, I will use the Macedonian case to argue that legal reforms and the democratization of the state since 1990/91 have not fundamentally transformed the system, but rather have supported the continuation of violence and gender inequality in public as well as in private.

http://www.academia.edu/3382573/Violence_against_Women_in_Macedonia_Legal_Equality_for_Unequal_Citizens

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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby GoranZ on Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:47 pm

Bernie Sanders wrote:The Republic of Macedonia has a corrupt government and police force. Crime has steadily increased the last 3 years.


Published at: International Journal of Legal Sciences “Justicia”, Faculty of Law – StateUniversity of Tetova, Nr. 1/2013, p.62-73
Ali Musliu, PhD State University of Tetova Violence against Women in Macedonia: Legal Equality for Unequal Citizens Abstract
Violence against women can take different forms, physical and psychological. While such forms are context specific, figures show that such violence undercuts all societies and cultures. It takes place both in the domestic and public spheres—in the family, school and workplace. In Macedonia as across the Balkan region, women continue to face discrimination and violations of their basic human rights. These violations include unequal access to employment and healthcare, domestic violence,human trafficking, and under-representation in decision-making bodies. Women from minority communities in particular suffer multiple forms of discrimination as they frequently experience high levels of poverty, alongside gender and ethnic discrimination. In Macedonia there is a considerable discrepancy between the laws which guarantee equality between men and women, and the actual legal practices or implementation of such laws, especially in rural areas. In this paper, I will make two points: first, I will underscore the links between private/public violence against women, the discrepancy between laws and the actual practices in relation to gender equality, and the need for institutionalized legal policies to combat such in consistencies; and second, I will argue that the State needs to implement legal changes in Macedonia to combat un-equal gender relations in which violence against women is a key feature. With reference to the legal framework of Macedonia, I will use the Macedonian case to argue that legal reforms and the democratization of the state since 1990/91 have not fundamentally transformed the system, but rather have supported the continuation of violence and gender inequality in public as well as in private.

http://www.academia.edu/3382573/Violence_against_Women_in_Macedonia_Legal_Equality_for_Unequal_Citizens

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Yeah... The author is Muslim(and not from Macedonian ethnicity, he only has Macedonian citizenship). He is talking about his(and yours Bernie) kind :lol:
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby Bernie Sanders on Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:05 pm

So, you hate Muslims, we know that. Does not change the facts about the corruption and crime in Macedonia.
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby GoranZ on Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:27 pm

Bernie Sanders wrote:So, you hate Muslims, we know that. Does not change the facts about the corruption and crime in Macedonia.


Already posted... and explained in another thread. So far everything happened as I wrote it, except South/Turkish Stream.
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby pmchugh on Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:36 pm

GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Lets be clear who you mean when you mention "Rapefugees" since earlier you were talking about the arab spring. Are you referring to:

A) All Muslims
B) All Muslim Refugees
C) All Refugees
D) Specifically the refugees who have committed rape

B and D.


B? Really? Do you believe that all Muslim refugees are rapists or do you just not care that you are slandering the ones who aren't?

GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:I agree with this. Let us treat people according to their behaviour. What we should NOT do is treat them according to the behaviour of other people, whom you have adjudged to be part of the same group. People are guilty of their own actions but not other peoples. I am sure some Macedonians have committed rape, that doesn't make you a rapist.

You are mixing two completely unrelated worlds. Yes there are some Macedonians that committed rape, but they represent similar percentage as in other European countries. Same can not be said for the Rapefugees.


The principal is the same. You cannot determine the guilt of one person based upon the actions of another.

The views you say are not racist, but only because it is not a race you are talking about. By any justification you use can use for your position in this matter, one could use an extremely similar justification for racism. Just replace any references to Muslim Refugees to Blacks, and generalise rape to crime.
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby GoranZ on Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:34 pm

pmchugh wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Lets be clear who you mean when you mention "Rapefugees" since earlier you were talking about the arab spring. Are you referring to:

A) All Muslims
B) All Muslim Refugees
C) All Refugees
D) Specifically the refugees who have committed rape

B and D.


B? Really? Do you believe that all Muslim refugees are rapists or do you just not care that you are slandering the ones who aren't?

I dont believe, I dont even use believing as form of judgment. I use numbers.
I can always back what I say with statistical data... On the other hand you cant. That's fundamental difference between me and you. You lie, I dont.

pmchugh wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:I agree with this. Let us treat people according to their behaviour. What we should NOT do is treat them according to the behaviour of other people, whom you have adjudged to be part of the same group. People are guilty of their own actions but not other peoples. I am sure some Macedonians have committed rape, that doesn't make you a rapist.

You are mixing two completely unrelated worlds. Yes there are some Macedonians that committed rape, but they represent similar percentage as in other European countries. Same can not be said for the Rapefugees.


The principal is the same. You cannot determine the guilt of one person based upon the actions of another.

Opposite applies also, you can not determine the innocence of one person based upon the actions of another.
Based on my previous sentence what you said has no value... its worthless.

pmchugh wrote:The views you say are not racist, but only because it is not a race you are talking about. By any justification you use can use for your position in this matter, one could use an extremely similar justification for racism. Just replace any references to Muslim Refugees to Blacks, and generalise rape to crime.

Can you back your words with reliable data? If you cant plz dont use bad words against me. And I never said anything about Black people, so if you dont want me to treat you as imbecile dont use same or similar comparisons.

With the arrival of Muslim refuges the number of reported crimes have increased in Germany. More Muslim refugees arrive in Germany the worse it will be. Generally Muslims are not compatible with western way of life, they are barbarians. First statistical data from the change of Europe are starting to arrive... And the data is not promising bright future.
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby pmchugh on Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:44 pm

GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Lets be clear who you mean when you mention "Rapefugees" since earlier you were talking about the arab spring. Are you referring to:

A) All Muslims
B) All Muslim Refugees
C) All Refugees
D) Specifically the refugees who have committed rape

B and D.


B? Really? Do you believe that all Muslim refugees are rapists or do you just not care that you are slandering the ones who aren't?

I dont believe, I dont even use believing as form of judgment. I use numbers.
I can always back what I say with statistical data... On the other hand you cant. That's fundamental difference between me and you. You lie, I dont.


Option B says, "all". This means every single one. Please site some statistical data that shows all Muslim Refugees have committed rape since you are such an honest man.

GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:I agree with this. Let us treat people according to their behaviour. What we should NOT do is treat them according to the behaviour of other people, whom you have adjudged to be part of the same group. People are guilty of their own actions but not other peoples. I am sure some Macedonians have committed rape, that doesn't make you a rapist.

You are mixing two completely unrelated worlds. Yes there are some Macedonians that committed rape, but they represent similar percentage as in other European countries. Same can not be said for the Rapefugees.


The principal is the same. You cannot determine the guilt of one person based upon the actions of another.

Opposite applies also, you can not determine the innocence of one person based upon the actions of another.
Based on my previous sentence what you said has no value... its worthless.


Have you ever heard the term, "innocent until proven guilty".

GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:The views you say are not racist, but only because it is not a race you are talking about. By any justification you use can use for your position in this matter, one could use an extremely similar justification for racism. Just replace any references to Muslim Refugees to Blacks, and generalise rape to crime.

Can you back your words with reliable data? If you cant plz dont use bad words against me. And I never said anything about Black people, so if you dont want me to treat you as imbecile dont use same or similar comparisons.

With the arrival of Muslim refuges the number of reported crimes have increased in Germany. More Muslim refugees arrive in Germany the worse it will be. Generally Muslims are not compatible with western way of life, they are barbarians. First statistical data from the change of Europe are starting to arrive... And the data is not promising bright future.
Shocking Report Reveals Refugees Committed Over 185,000 Crimes in Germany


I am seriously worried about you treating me like an imbecile. Plz dont.

Firstly, your source of data is an article from a newspaper wholly owned by the Russian government and generally has a lot of anti-Islamic tones in it. Always be aware of the bias of the source of your information. That article is citing Bild.de, which is a German tabloid newspaper described on wikipedia as "notorious for its mix of gossip, inflammatory language, and sensationalism". It featured topless women on the front cover until 2012. This is where your data comes from. Unfortunately I can't go any further, because I am hit with a pay wall.

Let's just continue on the basis that it was entirely reputable.

That article wrote:The share of sexual offenses was on the contrary very low and made up less than one percent of all crimes.


Finally, you have still not explained the difference between your position and that of a racist.

You say that it is statistically more likely for Muslim Refugees to commit crime.
In the US, it is statistically more likely for black people to commit crime.

How could you criticise a racist if they were using the same criteria as you for their discriminations?
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby GoranZ on Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:54 pm

pmchugh wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Lets be clear who you mean when you mention "Rapefugees" since earlier you were talking about the arab spring. Are you referring to:

A) All Muslims
B) All Muslim Refugees
C) All Refugees
D) Specifically the refugees who have committed rape

B and D.


B? Really? Do you believe that all Muslim refugees are rapists or do you just not care that you are slandering the ones who aren't?

I dont believe, I dont even use believing as form of judgment. I use numbers.
I can always back what I say with statistical data... On the other hand you cant. That's fundamental difference between me and you. You lie, I dont.


Option B says, "all". This means every single one. Please site some statistical data that shows all Muslim Refugees have committed rape since you are such an honest man.

How many mass sex assaults were there in Cologne prior the arrival of Muslim Rapefugees?
How come that happened when Muslim rapefugees arrived in Germany?
Did similar event happened during Arab Spring in Muslim counties? Yes, many, even western journalists were involved. I hope you can google it.

pmchugh wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:I agree with this. Let us treat people according to their behaviour. What we should NOT do is treat them according to the behaviour of other people, whom you have adjudged to be part of the same group. People are guilty of their own actions but not other peoples. I am sure some Macedonians have committed rape, that doesn't make you a rapist.

You are mixing two completely unrelated worlds. Yes there are some Macedonians that committed rape, but they represent similar percentage as in other European countries. Same can not be said for the Rapefugees.


The principal is the same. You cannot determine the guilt of one person based upon the actions of another.

Opposite applies also, you can not determine the innocence of one person based upon the actions of another.
Based on my previous sentence what you said has no value... its worthless.


Have you ever heard the term, "innocent until proven guilty".

If someone is a refugee he automatically didn't done any crimes?
If you accept them all, can you grantee that the percentage of crimes that they will do will be similar as with native German population?

pmchugh wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:The views you say are not racist, but only because it is not a race you are talking about. By any justification you use can use for your position in this matter, one could use an extremely similar justification for racism. Just replace any references to Muslim Refugees to Blacks, and generalise rape to crime.

Can you back your words with reliable data? If you cant plz dont use bad words against me. And I never said anything about Black people, so if you dont want me to treat you as imbecile dont use same or similar comparisons.

With the arrival of Muslim refuges the number of reported crimes have increased in Germany. More Muslim refugees arrive in Germany the worse it will be. Generally Muslims are not compatible with western way of life, they are barbarians. First statistical data from the change of Europe are starting to arrive... And the data is not promising bright future.
Shocking Report Reveals Refugees Committed Over 185,000 Crimes in Germany


I am seriously worried about you treating me like an imbecile. Plz dont.

Firstly, your source of data is an article from a newspaper wholly owned by the Russian government and generally has a lot of anti-Islamic tones in it. Always be aware of the bias of the source of your information. That article is citing Bild.de, which is a German tabloid newspaper described on wikipedia as "notorious for its mix of gossip, inflammatory language, and sensationalism". It featured topless women on the front cover until 2012. This is where your data comes from. Unfortunately I can't go any further, because I am hit with a pay wall.

What? You dont like the sources :lol: f*ck you, you think I care that you dont like them... Present yours if you can. If they have more reliable data we can discuss which is correct one.

pmchugh wrote:Finally, you have still not explained the difference between your position and that of a racist.

What? You like to play GOD?
Here is my explanation :lol:
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pmchugh wrote:You say that it is statistically more likely for Muslim Refugees to commit crime.

I dont say, its a fact. Present data to deny it if you can :lol:

pmchugh wrote:In the US, it is statistically more likely for black people to commit crime.

You fucking imbecile how many times should I tell you... US is none of my business :lol:

pmchugh wrote:How could you criticise a racist if they were using the same criteria as you for their discriminations?

What discrimination are you talking about? I want the country and continent I live in, to stay as it is. Its my right, not yours.

Back on subject.
The total Muslim population in Sweden is estimated at 4.4% (2013 figures). Out of that 4.4% and in deducting the women and children, we can roughly guesstimate that around 2% are male. The foreign rape figures at 77.6%

Sweden: 77% of rapes committed by 2% Muslim male population
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby pmchugh on Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:13 pm

Oh dear Goran, you seem completely incapable of following a line of thought through to its logical conclusion but then I guess if you were we wouldn't be having this conversation.

GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Option B says, "all". This means every single one. Please site some statistical data that shows all Muslim Refugees have committed rape since you are such an honest man.

How many mass sex assaults were there in Cologne prior the arrival of Muslim Rapefugees?
How come that happened when Muslim rapefugees arrived in Germany?
Did similar event happened during Arab Spring in Muslim counties? Yes, many, even western journalists were involved. I hope you can google it.


Relevance to my point? Is it 100%? Is it all? NO. So to call all of them rapefugees is a gross insult for which you should apologise.

GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Have you ever heard the term, "innocent until proven guilty".

If someone is a refugee he automatically didn't done any crimes?
If you accept them all, can you grantee that the percentage of crimes that they will do will be similar as with native German population?


No. Innocent until proven guilty does not mean that the person has not committed any crimes, it simply means that we should not treat someone as if they have committed a crime until we have proof that they did. It is a basic tenant of any civilised justice system.

GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Finally, you have still not explained the difference between your position and that of a racist.

What? You like to play GOD?
Here is my explanation :lol:
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This is the most intelligent thing I have ever heard from you, mostly because you didn't try and use any words.

Macedonian hitler wrote:
pmchugh wrote:In the US, it is statistically more likely for black people to commit crime.

You fucking imbecile how many times should I tell you... US is none of my business :lol:


I am presenting to you a similar situation in which your logic could be used to defend something else. At this point, I would expect you either to deny that your position and that position are similar/the same, or to accept the other argument as well. The reason why you are avoiding this is clear, you cannot come up with a satisfactory explanation for why your behaviour is acceptable while still maintaining that racism is wrong.

GoranZ wrote:What discrimination are you talking about? I want the country and continent I live in, to stay as it is. Its my right, not yours.


I live in the same continent you do. It will not stay the same, it never has stayed the same. That is not a right. Even if it were, I would respect a refugees right to live a lot more than your right to not have the chances of you encountering crime rise by a nominal amount.
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby pmchugh on Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:16 pm

Also, I just opened your source.

GoranZs totally legit source wrote:The foreign rape figures at 77.6% Muslim has been anonymously confirmed by Swedish polish in a phone conversation


Ah, the good old Swedish polish in an anonymous phone conversation. Sounds legit.
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby Bernie Sanders on Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:18 pm

pmchugh wrote:Also, I just opened your source.

GoranZs totally legit source wrote:The foreign rape figures at 77.6% Muslim has been anonymously confirmed by Swedish polish in a phone conversation


Ah, the good old Swedish polish in an anonymous phone conversation. Sounds legit.


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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby GoranZ on Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:49 pm

pmchugh wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Option B says, "all". This means every single one. Please site some statistical data that shows all Muslim Refugees have committed rape since you are such an honest man.

How many mass sex assaults were there in Cologne prior the arrival of Muslim Rapefugees?
How come that happened when Muslim rapefugees arrived in Germany?
Did similar event happened during Arab Spring in Muslim counties? Yes, many, even western journalists were involved. I hope you can google it.


Relevance to my point? Is it 100%? Is it all? NO. So to call all of them rapefugees is a gross insult for which you should apologise.

:lol: Its you who should apologize, for your disrespect of the victims of Cologne attacks, and not just them but to all other victims of Muslim Rapefugees attacks.

pmchugh wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Have you ever heard the term, "innocent until proven guilty".

If someone is a refugee he automatically didn't done any crimes?
If you accept them all, can you grantee that the percentage of crimes that they will do will be similar as with native German population?


No. Innocent until proven guilty does not mean that the person has not committed any crimes, it simply means that we should not treat someone as if they have committed a crime until we have proof that they did. It is a basic tenant of any civilised justice system.

Justice system you mentioned shouldn't be applied for a group of rapefugees . There is no need actually, over 99.9% of them committed a crime in various European countries. I bet less then 0.1% of them had proper documents for traveling/moving to Europe in the first place. Getting legal documents in Germany doesn't justify braking of the law prior to the arrival to Germany.
Thus they should be expelled from Europe, to the place they come from.

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GoranZ wrote:
pmchugh wrote:In the US, it is statistically more likely for black people to commit crime.

You fucking imbecile how many times should I tell you... US is none of my business :lol:


I am presenting to you a similar situation in which your logic could be used to defend something else. At this point, I would expect you either to deny that your position and that position are similar/the same, or to accept the other argument as well. The reason why you are avoiding this is clear, you cannot come up with a satisfactory explanation for why your behaviour is acceptable while still maintaining that racism is wrong.

How to explain to Irish idiot that I dont care about something or someone half a globe away :lol:

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GoranZ wrote:What discrimination are you talking about? I want the country and continent I live in, to stay as it is. Its my right, not yours.


I live in the same continent you do. It will not stay the same, it never has stayed the same. That is not a right. Even if it were, I would respect a refugees right to live a lot more than your right to not have the chances of you encountering crime rise by a nominal amount.

Who give you right to f*ck up Europe? You think you have special rights to do that... You dont.

pmchugh wrote:Also, I just opened your source.

GoranZs totally legit source wrote:The foreign rape figures at 77.6% Muslim has been anonymously confirmed by Swedish polish in a phone conversation


Ah, the good old Swedish polish in an anonymous phone conversation. Sounds legit.

Its far better then your word... If you have more reliable data, share them or shut a f*ck up.
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby GoranZ on Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:56 pm

Place by place and rapefugees will be kicked from Germany.
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby pmchugh on Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:16 pm

Oh dear Goran, let us go over a few basic things:

If you make a factual statement, try and make sure that you can back it up first or AT LEAST that you believe it yourself.

Providing a link is not all there is to evidence, here are some criteria that determine whether a link is good:

1. Does your link actually agree with your statement?
2. Is the source reliable?
3. Is the source biased?

Now let us examine what you are saying against this criteria.

GoranZ wrote: There is no need actually, over 99.9% of them committed a crime in various European countries. I bet less then 0.1% of them had proper documents for traveling/moving to Europe in the first place. Getting legal documents in Germany doesn't justify braking of the law prior to the arrival to Germany.


Here you make a factual statement that over 99.9% of refugees have committed a crime. From your own source:

Migrants committed 186,235 crimes


Between the months of January and July this year, there were over 200k Asylum Seekers coming in to Germany.

Source: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/refres ... anguage=en

Note, that the first stat concerns migrants and the second concerns purely asylum seekers, which is more restrictive. Also, the second stat does not take into account the asylum seekers who came into the country before this year or between July and November, which the first stat does.

Therefore your claim that 99.9% of asylum seekers commit crime, seems very unlikely to be true.

GoranZ wrote:Its far better then your word... If you have more reliable data, share them or shut a f*ck up.


Actually, your source is a wordpress site. That sites word is no better than mine because for like 15 quid I could make a similar site that says, "GoranZ is wrong about everything". At least my spelling would be better.

You fail all criteria. Your sources don't back what you say, they are unreliable and they are biased.

GoranZ wrote:How to explain to Irish idiot that I dont care about something or someone half a globe away :lol:


You have made that quite clear already, sadly. If you did care about people further from home then maybe you would have a more compassionate view towards victims of war and persecution.
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby GoranZ on Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:58 pm

pmchugh wrote:Providing a link is not all there is to evidence, here are some criteria that determine whether a link is good

What are you, google or some international organization for determining if a link is good or not :lol: or an Idiot... Idiot is the correct answer :D

pmchugh wrote:
GoranZ wrote: There is no need actually, over 99.9% of them committed a crime in various European countries. I bet less then 0.1% of them had proper documents for traveling/moving to Europe in the first place. Getting legal documents in Germany doesn't justify braking of the law prior to the arrival to Germany.


Here you make a factual statement that over 99.9% of refugees have committed a crime. From your own source:

Migrants committed 186,235 crimes


Between the months of January and July this year, there were over 200k Asylum Seekers coming in to Germany.

Source: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/refres ... anguage=en

Actually I'm correct, NONE(up to 99.9% correct) of the rapefugees had proper documents prior the arrival in Germany. Thus they arrived illegally. If we take January to July period alone, every single one of the repafugees that transited threw my country Macedonia(one of the major route for the rapefugees) did it illegally, since it is illegal to enter my country and to trespass it. Thats the law in my European country.

pmchugh wrote:Therefore your claim that 99.9% of asylum seekers commit crime, seems very unlikely to be true.

Wrong, Illegal entry and trespassing in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary, Italy, Spain... its a long list of crimes. You need brain to figure it out tho. But brain is something you dont have :lol:

pmchugh wrote:
GoranZ wrote:Its far better then your word... If you have more reliable data, share them or shut a f*ck up.


Actually, your source is a wordpress site. That sites word is no better than mine because for like 15 quid I could make a similar site that says, "GoranZ is wrong about everything". At least my spelling would be better.

LOL, you cant tie your shoe without help you will make wordpress site :lol:
But if you do make a site that says what you say it will I will make mobile version with "Fooled you... pmchugh is wrong about everything" just for fun :lol:

pmchugh wrote:You fail all criteria. Your sources don't back what you say, they are unreliable and they are biased.

Said the men who likes to run from truth. You can run but you can not hide from it. It will catch you all the time.

pmchugh wrote:
GoranZ wrote:How to explain to Irish idiot that I dont care about something or someone half a globe away :lol:


You have made that quite clear already, sadly. If you did care about people further from home then maybe you would have a more compassionate view towards victims of war and persecution.

Now I get it, you are defending the rapist with your every word so I have to ask... What are you, convicted rapist or convicted pedophile, or both?
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby GoranZ on Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:20 pm

Since pmchugh is so strongly supporting his friends the rapefugees its time to discover what happened.

The Arabic gang-rape 'Taharrush' phenomenon which sees women surrounded by groups of men in crowds and sexually assaulted... and has now spread to Europe

How does it looks? Video from Egypt:


Another link: ‘Remember It Well’: Why Anti-Migrant Politicians Say You Should Know the Arabic Word ‘Taharrush’

What did the Russians reported:


According to Wikipedia Cologne attacks were not the isolated incident in Germany... Similar attacks happened all over Germany and all over Europe. New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Germany

I can only say that supporters of Rapists like pmchugh should feel ashamed and apologize to the victims of those atrocities and to the CC for supporting such actions. pmchugh I hope you feel regret for all that bad words in your previous posts.

And above all people should know what actually happened, and if that had happened before.
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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby Bernie Sanders on Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:48 pm

[quote="GoranZ"]Since pmchugh is so strongly supporting his friends the rapefugees its time to discover what happened.

The Arabic gang-rape 'Taharrush' phenomenon which sees women surrounded by groups of men in crowds and sexually assaulted... and has now spread to Europe

How does it looks? Video from Egypt:


Another link: ‘Remember It Well’: Why Anti-Migrant Politicians Say You Should Know the Arabic Word ‘Taharrush’

What did the Russians reported:


You should be ashamed of yourself GoranZ. Rape happens in all cultures, including gang rape. Bigotry/racism is your trademark.

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Re: Come to Germany, they said

Postby GoranZ on Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:10 am

Bernie Sanders wrote:
GoranZ wrote:Since pmchugh is so strongly supporting his friends the rapefugees its time to discover what happened.

The Arabic gang-rape 'Taharrush' phenomenon which sees women surrounded by groups of men in crowds and sexually assaulted... and has now spread to Europe

How does it looks? Video from Egypt:


Another link: ‘Remember It Well’: Why Anti-Migrant Politicians Say You Should Know the Arabic Word ‘Taharrush’

What did the Russians reported:


You should be ashamed of yourself GoranZ. Rape happens in all cultures, including gang rape. Bigotry/racism is your trademark.


Thank you Bernie for your acknowledge that Europe is in WAR with the invading Muslim rapefugees. =D>
I as any normal European is fighting to preserve the continent as it is, You get that you blood thirsty idiot?


The event from your video happened 72 years ago, we are in different era now :lol: Then the level of education among the general population was substantially lower then it is now. And after The German Holocaust in Russia prior to the attacks you mentioned, Soviet soldiers were eager to retaliate as much as they can, and they did that in a time of WAR. Same crimes were done by the Americans also. Postwar Rape: Were Americans As Bad as the Soviets?
But atrocities that Americans and Soviets did in WW2 are just tiny fraction of what Germans did ;)

Bernie Sanders wrote:Bigotry/racism is your trademark.

Bigotry/racism is your trademark you blood thirsty idiot, it is you who hate Russians and all Slavic people in general. You expect that they will like you for that :shock: No way.
I never said that I have problems with Muslims in Saudi Arabia for example, I say that there is a problem with Muslim invaders in Europe, but they are INVADERS, and they should be treated as INVADERS.

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P.S. Supporters of rapists like pmchugh and Bernie Sanders should be treated as the rapists. They deserve the same punishment.
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