pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wants as all back on topic. About how we can make Germany great again if we just persecute a religious minority.

What would Jesus do?
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wants as all back on topic. About how we can make Germany great again if we just persecute a religious minority.
mrswdk wrote:pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wants as all back on topic. About how we can make Germany great again if we just persecute a religious minority.
The religion of 'refugee'?
GoranZ wrote:In the whole period Muslims in the Middle East/North Africa never showed their humanity, empathy or compassion towards the Christians(or other religious groups). Sorry but I'm no Christian to forgive them, and if they dont show their humanity, empathy or compassion towards others they shouldn't expect the same to be shown to them.
On top of everything they want to f*ck up Europe as they f*ck up Middle East... Sorry but I will be always against it.
Same thing that was happening in Cologne was happening during Arab Spring rebellions few years ago. Their mindset hasn't changed, and they show no intention to change their barbaric behavior even now.
pmchugh wrote:mrswdk wrote:pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wants as all back on topic. About how we can make Germany great again if we just persecute a religious minority.
The religion of 'refugee'?
Islam.GoranZ wrote:In the whole period Muslims in the Middle East/North Africa never showed their humanity, empathy or compassion towards the Christians(or other religious groups). Sorry but I'm no Christian to forgive them, and if they dont show their humanity, empathy or compassion towards others they shouldn't expect the same to be shown to them.
On top of everything they want to f*ck up Europe as they f*ck up Middle East... Sorry but I will be always against it.
Same thing that was happening in Cologne was happening during Arab Spring rebellions few years ago. Their mindset hasn't changed, and they show no intention to change their barbaric behavior even now.
Bernie Sanders wrote:pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wants as all back on topic. About how we can make Germany great again if we just persecute a religious minority.
What would Jesus do?
GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:mrswdk wrote:pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wants as all back on topic. About how we can make Germany great again if we just persecute a religious minority.
The religion of 'refugee'?
Islam.GoranZ wrote:In the whole period Muslims in the Middle East/North Africa never showed their humanity, empathy or compassion towards the Christians(or other religious groups). Sorry but I'm no Christian to forgive them, and if they dont show their humanity, empathy or compassion towards others they shouldn't expect the same to be shown to them.
On top of everything they want to f*ck up Europe as they f*ck up Middle East... Sorry but I will be always against it.
Same thing that was happening in Cologne was happening during Arab Spring rebellions few years ago. Their mindset hasn't changed, and they show no intention to change their barbaric behavior even now.
Rapefugees are not minority, they are not considered as such in any country in the world.
And they demonstrated their behavior in practice. Treat them according to their behavior.
pmchugh wrote:Lets be clear who you mean when you mention "Rapefugees" since earlier you were talking about the arab spring. Are you referring to:
A) All Muslims
B) All Muslim Refugees
C) All Refugees
D) Specifically the refugees who have committed rape
pmchugh wrote:And they demonstrated their behavior in practice. Treat them according to their behavior.
I agree with this. Let us treat people according to their behaviour. What we should NOT do is treat them according to the behaviour of other people, whom you have adjudged to be part of the same group. People are guilty of their own actions but not other peoples. I am sure some Macedonians have committed rape, that doesn't make you a rapist.
Bernie Sanders wrote:The Republic of Macedonia has a corrupt government and police force. Crime has steadily increased the last 3 years.
Published at: International Journal of Legal Sciences “Justicia”, Faculty of Law – StateUniversity of Tetova, Nr. 1/2013, p.62-73
Ali Musliu, PhD State University of Tetova Violence against Women in Macedonia: Legal Equality for Unequal Citizens Abstract
Violence against women can take different forms, physical and psychological. While such forms are context specific, figures show that such violence undercuts all societies and cultures. It takes place both in the domestic and public spheres—in the family, school and workplace. In Macedonia as across the Balkan region, women continue to face discrimination and violations of their basic human rights. These violations include unequal access to employment and healthcare, domestic violence,human trafficking, and under-representation in decision-making bodies. Women from minority communities in particular suffer multiple forms of discrimination as they frequently experience high levels of poverty, alongside gender and ethnic discrimination. In Macedonia there is a considerable discrepancy between the laws which guarantee equality between men and women, and the actual legal practices or implementation of such laws, especially in rural areas. In this paper, I will make two points: first, I will underscore the links between private/public violence against women, the discrepancy between laws and the actual practices in relation to gender equality, and the need for institutionalized legal policies to combat such in consistencies; and second, I will argue that the State needs to implement legal changes in Macedonia to combat un-equal gender relations in which violence against women is a key feature. With reference to the legal framework of Macedonia, I will use the Macedonian case to argue that legal reforms and the democratization of the state since 1990/91 have not fundamentally transformed the system, but rather have supported the continuation of violence and gender inequality in public as well as in private.
http://www.academia.edu/3382573/Violence_against_Women_in_Macedonia_Legal_Equality_for_Unequal_Citizens
We need to really think about restricting these Macedonians from entering our country! What a backward and uncivilized people!
Bernie Sanders wrote:So, you hate Muslims, we know that. Does not change the facts about the corruption and crime in Macedonia.
GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:Lets be clear who you mean when you mention "Rapefugees" since earlier you were talking about the arab spring. Are you referring to:
A) All Muslims
B) All Muslim Refugees
C) All Refugees
D) Specifically the refugees who have committed rape
B and D.
GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:I agree with this. Let us treat people according to their behaviour. What we should NOT do is treat them according to the behaviour of other people, whom you have adjudged to be part of the same group. People are guilty of their own actions but not other peoples. I am sure some Macedonians have committed rape, that doesn't make you a rapist.
You are mixing two completely unrelated worlds. Yes there are some Macedonians that committed rape, but they represent similar percentage as in other European countries. Same can not be said for the Rapefugees.
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:Lets be clear who you mean when you mention "Rapefugees" since earlier you were talking about the arab spring. Are you referring to:
A) All Muslims
B) All Muslim Refugees
C) All Refugees
D) Specifically the refugees who have committed rape
B and D.
B? Really? Do you believe that all Muslim refugees are rapists or do you just not care that you are slandering the ones who aren't?
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:I agree with this. Let us treat people according to their behaviour. What we should NOT do is treat them according to the behaviour of other people, whom you have adjudged to be part of the same group. People are guilty of their own actions but not other peoples. I am sure some Macedonians have committed rape, that doesn't make you a rapist.
You are mixing two completely unrelated worlds. Yes there are some Macedonians that committed rape, but they represent similar percentage as in other European countries. Same can not be said for the Rapefugees.
The principal is the same. You cannot determine the guilt of one person based upon the actions of another.
pmchugh wrote:The views you say are not racist, but only because it is not a race you are talking about. By any justification you use can use for your position in this matter, one could use an extremely similar justification for racism. Just replace any references to Muslim Refugees to Blacks, and generalise rape to crime.
GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:Lets be clear who you mean when you mention "Rapefugees" since earlier you were talking about the arab spring. Are you referring to:
A) All Muslims
B) All Muslim Refugees
C) All Refugees
D) Specifically the refugees who have committed rape
B and D.
B? Really? Do you believe that all Muslim refugees are rapists or do you just not care that you are slandering the ones who aren't?
I dont believe, I dont even use believing as form of judgment. I use numbers.
I can always back what I say with statistical data... On the other hand you cant. That's fundamental difference between me and you. You lie, I dont.
GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:I agree with this. Let us treat people according to their behaviour. What we should NOT do is treat them according to the behaviour of other people, whom you have adjudged to be part of the same group. People are guilty of their own actions but not other peoples. I am sure some Macedonians have committed rape, that doesn't make you a rapist.
You are mixing two completely unrelated worlds. Yes there are some Macedonians that committed rape, but they represent similar percentage as in other European countries. Same can not be said for the Rapefugees.
The principal is the same. You cannot determine the guilt of one person based upon the actions of another.
Opposite applies also, you can not determine the innocence of one person based upon the actions of another.
Based on my previous sentence what you said has no value... its worthless.
GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:The views you say are not racist, but only because it is not a race you are talking about. By any justification you use can use for your position in this matter, one could use an extremely similar justification for racism. Just replace any references to Muslim Refugees to Blacks, and generalise rape to crime.
Can you back your words with reliable data? If you cant plz dont use bad words against me. And I never said anything about Black people, so if you dont want me to treat you as imbecile dont use same or similar comparisons.
With the arrival of Muslim refuges the number of reported crimes have increased in Germany. More Muslim refugees arrive in Germany the worse it will be. Generally Muslims are not compatible with western way of life, they are barbarians. First statistical data from the change of Europe are starting to arrive... And the data is not promising bright future.
Shocking Report Reveals Refugees Committed Over 185,000 Crimes in Germany
That article wrote:The share of sexual offenses was on the contrary very low and made up less than one percent of all crimes.
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:Lets be clear who you mean when you mention "Rapefugees" since earlier you were talking about the arab spring. Are you referring to:
A) All Muslims
B) All Muslim Refugees
C) All Refugees
D) Specifically the refugees who have committed rape
B and D.
B? Really? Do you believe that all Muslim refugees are rapists or do you just not care that you are slandering the ones who aren't?
I dont believe, I dont even use believing as form of judgment. I use numbers.
I can always back what I say with statistical data... On the other hand you cant. That's fundamental difference between me and you. You lie, I dont.
Option B says, "all". This means every single one. Please site some statistical data that shows all Muslim Refugees have committed rape since you are such an honest man.
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:I agree with this. Let us treat people according to their behaviour. What we should NOT do is treat them according to the behaviour of other people, whom you have adjudged to be part of the same group. People are guilty of their own actions but not other peoples. I am sure some Macedonians have committed rape, that doesn't make you a rapist.
You are mixing two completely unrelated worlds. Yes there are some Macedonians that committed rape, but they represent similar percentage as in other European countries. Same can not be said for the Rapefugees.
The principal is the same. You cannot determine the guilt of one person based upon the actions of another.
Opposite applies also, you can not determine the innocence of one person based upon the actions of another.
Based on my previous sentence what you said has no value... its worthless.
Have you ever heard the term, "innocent until proven guilty".
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:The views you say are not racist, but only because it is not a race you are talking about. By any justification you use can use for your position in this matter, one could use an extremely similar justification for racism. Just replace any references to Muslim Refugees to Blacks, and generalise rape to crime.
Can you back your words with reliable data? If you cant plz dont use bad words against me. And I never said anything about Black people, so if you dont want me to treat you as imbecile dont use same or similar comparisons.
With the arrival of Muslim refuges the number of reported crimes have increased in Germany. More Muslim refugees arrive in Germany the worse it will be. Generally Muslims are not compatible with western way of life, they are barbarians. First statistical data from the change of Europe are starting to arrive... And the data is not promising bright future.
Shocking Report Reveals Refugees Committed Over 185,000 Crimes in Germany
I am seriously worried about you treating me like an imbecile. Plz dont.
Firstly, your source of data is an article from a newspaper wholly owned by the Russian government and generally has a lot of anti-Islamic tones in it. Always be aware of the bias of the source of your information. That article is citing Bild.de, which is a German tabloid newspaper described on wikipedia as "notorious for its mix of gossip, inflammatory language, and sensationalism". It featured topless women on the front cover until 2012. This is where your data comes from. Unfortunately I can't go any further, because I am hit with a pay wall.
pmchugh wrote:Finally, you have still not explained the difference between your position and that of a racist.
pmchugh wrote:You say that it is statistically more likely for Muslim Refugees to commit crime.
pmchugh wrote:In the US, it is statistically more likely for black people to commit crime.
pmchugh wrote:How could you criticise a racist if they were using the same criteria as you for their discriminations?
The total Muslim population in Sweden is estimated at 4.4% (2013 figures). Out of that 4.4% and in deducting the women and children, we can roughly guesstimate that around 2% are male. The foreign rape figures at 77.6%
GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:Option B says, "all". This means every single one. Please site some statistical data that shows all Muslim Refugees have committed rape since you are such an honest man.
How many mass sex assaults were there in Cologne prior the arrival of Muslim Rapefugees?
How come that happened when Muslim rapefugees arrived in Germany?
Did similar event happened during Arab Spring in Muslim counties? Yes, many, even western journalists were involved. I hope you can google it.
GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:Have you ever heard the term, "innocent until proven guilty".
If someone is a refugee he automatically didn't done any crimes?
If you accept them all, can you grantee that the percentage of crimes that they will do will be similar as with native German population?
GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:Finally, you have still not explained the difference between your position and that of a racist.
What? You like to play GOD?
Here is my explanation
Macedonian hitler wrote:pmchugh wrote:In the US, it is statistically more likely for black people to commit crime.
You fucking imbecile how many times should I tell you... US is none of my business![]()
GoranZ wrote:What discrimination are you talking about? I want the country and continent I live in, to stay as it is. Its my right, not yours.
GoranZs totally legit source wrote:The foreign rape figures at 77.6% Muslim has been anonymously confirmed by Swedish polish in a phone conversation
pmchugh wrote:Also, I just opened your source.GoranZs totally legit source wrote:The foreign rape figures at 77.6% Muslim has been anonymously confirmed by Swedish polish in a phone conversation
Ah, the good old Swedish polish in an anonymous phone conversation. Sounds legit.
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:Option B says, "all". This means every single one. Please site some statistical data that shows all Muslim Refugees have committed rape since you are such an honest man.
How many mass sex assaults were there in Cologne prior the arrival of Muslim Rapefugees?
How come that happened when Muslim rapefugees arrived in Germany?
Did similar event happened during Arab Spring in Muslim counties? Yes, many, even western journalists were involved. I hope you can google it.
Relevance to my point? Is it 100%? Is it all? NO. So to call all of them rapefugees is a gross insult for which you should apologise.
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:Have you ever heard the term, "innocent until proven guilty".
If someone is a refugee he automatically didn't done any crimes?
If you accept them all, can you grantee that the percentage of crimes that they will do will be similar as with native German population?
No. Innocent until proven guilty does not mean that the person has not committed any crimes, it simply means that we should not treat someone as if they have committed a crime until we have proof that they did. It is a basic tenant of any civilised justice system.
Irish jihadist wrote:GoranZ wrote:pmchugh wrote:In the US, it is statistically more likely for black people to commit crime.
You fucking imbecile how many times should I tell you... US is none of my business![]()
I am presenting to you a similar situation in which your logic could be used to defend something else. At this point, I would expect you either to deny that your position and that position are similar/the same, or to accept the other argument as well. The reason why you are avoiding this is clear, you cannot come up with a satisfactory explanation for why your behaviour is acceptable while still maintaining that racism is wrong.
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote:What discrimination are you talking about? I want the country and continent I live in, to stay as it is. Its my right, not yours.
I live in the same continent you do. It will not stay the same, it never has stayed the same. That is not a right. Even if it were, I would respect a refugees right to live a lot more than your right to not have the chances of you encountering crime rise by a nominal amount.
pmchugh wrote:Also, I just opened your source.GoranZs totally legit source wrote:The foreign rape figures at 77.6% Muslim has been anonymously confirmed by Swedish polish in a phone conversation
Ah, the good old Swedish polish in an anonymous phone conversation. Sounds legit.
GoranZ wrote: There is no need actually, over 99.9% of them committed a crime in various European countries. I bet less then 0.1% of them had proper documents for traveling/moving to Europe in the first place. Getting legal documents in Germany doesn't justify braking of the law prior to the arrival to Germany.
Migrants committed 186,235 crimes
GoranZ wrote:Its far better then your word... If you have more reliable data, share them or shut a f*ck up.
GoranZ wrote:How to explain to Irish idiot that I dont care about something or someone half a globe away
pmchugh wrote:Providing a link is not all there is to evidence, here are some criteria that determine whether a link is good
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote: There is no need actually, over 99.9% of them committed a crime in various European countries. I bet less then 0.1% of them had proper documents for traveling/moving to Europe in the first place. Getting legal documents in Germany doesn't justify braking of the law prior to the arrival to Germany.
Here you make a factual statement that over 99.9% of refugees have committed a crime. From your own source:Migrants committed 186,235 crimes
Between the months of January and July this year, there were over 200k Asylum Seekers coming in to Germany.
Source: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/refres ... anguage=en
pmchugh wrote:Therefore your claim that 99.9% of asylum seekers commit crime, seems very unlikely to be true.
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote:Its far better then your word... If you have more reliable data, share them or shut a f*ck up.
Actually, your source is a wordpress site. That sites word is no better than mine because for like 15 quid I could make a similar site that says, "GoranZ is wrong about everything". At least my spelling would be better.
pmchugh wrote:You fail all criteria. Your sources don't back what you say, they are unreliable and they are biased.
pmchugh wrote:GoranZ wrote:How to explain to Irish idiot that I dont care about something or someone half a globe away
You have made that quite clear already, sadly. If you did care about people further from home then maybe you would have a more compassionate view towards victims of war and persecution.
Bernie Sanders wrote:GoranZ wrote:Since pmchugh is so strongly supporting his friends the rapefugees its time to discover what happened.
The Arabic gang-rape 'Taharrush' phenomenon which sees women surrounded by groups of men in crowds and sexually assaulted... and has now spread to Europe
How does it looks? Video from Egypt:
Another link: ‘Remember It Well’: Why Anti-Migrant Politicians Say You Should Know the Arabic Word ‘Taharrush’
What did the Russians reported:
You should be ashamed of yourself GoranZ. Rape happens in all cultures, including gang rape. Bigotry/racism is your trademark.
Bernie Sanders wrote:Bigotry/racism is your trademark.
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