Israel has the most moral army in the world

[saxitoxin]

I support Israel's right to exist.

Then you're a racist.

Don't you have a sister who needs fucking back at Bible Camp, Cletus?

[Symmetry]

I support Israel's right to exist.

Then you're a racist.

Don't you have a sister who needs fucking back at Bible Camp, Cletus?

Wow

[puhrinsuhtun]

I support Israel's right to exist.

Then you're a racist.

Don't you have a sister who needs fucking back at Bible Camp, Cletus?

How is supporting Israel's right to exist racist?

Arabs have their own countries....why can't Israel?

Palestinians have their own country too...it's called Jordan.

[saxitoxin]

I support Israel's right to exist.

Then you're a racist.

Don't you have a sister who needs fucking back at Bible Camp, Cletus?

How is supporting Israel's right to exist racist?

LOL.

"How is supporting our right to wave the Confederate flag racist?" asks Cletus with his Type 10 diabetes.

First, Israel has no right to exist. "Israel's right to exist" is a racist trope popular with rednecks; it's the buzz-phrase frantically screamed when the hysterical calls of "anti-semitism!" prompt nothing but eye rolls and laughter from those who have tired of Chicken Little's theatrics. No state has a right to exist on conquered territory. Second, Zionism has been declared, by vote of the United Nations General Assembly, a racist philosophy. Defending a state founded on a racist philosophy is racist. You are a racist just like defenders of apartheid-era South Africa or apartheid-era Rhodesia.

[saxitoxin]

Remember, the whole world opposes Israel except its patron. And opinion polls in the patron state show a dwindling trend. The question of the future of Israel is not "if" it will disappear but "when." Once the patron exits stage-left Israel will blow away into the dust; it can't survive on welfare payments and arms shipments from Palau.

The meetings are over,
The treaties suspended,
The Armies start marching,
And Israel is ended.

[puhrinsuhtun]

I support Israel's right to exist.

Then you're a racist.

Don't you have a sister who needs fucking back at Bible Camp, Cletus?

How is supporting Israel's right to exist racist?

LOL.

"How is supporting our right to wave the Confederate flag racist?" asks Cletus with his Type 10 diabetes.

First, Israel has no right to exist. "Israel's right to exist" is a racist trope popular with rednecks; it's the buzz-phrase frantically screamed when the hysterical calls of "anti-semitism!" prompt nothing but eye rolls and laughter from those who have tired of Chicken Little's theatrics. No state has a right to exist on conquered territory. Second, Zionism has been declared, by vote of the United Nations General Assembly, a racist philosophy. Defending a state founded on a racist philosophy is racist. You are a racist just like defenders of apartheid-era South Africa or apartheid-era Rhodesia.

Why does Israel not have a right to exist?

The region called Palestine was never a country. It was controlled by the British, who gave it to Israel.

There is no doubt you are an antisemitic.

[saxitoxin]

I support Israel's right to exist.

Then you're a racist.

Don't you have a sister who needs fucking back at Bible Camp, Cletus?

How is supporting Israel's right to exist racist?

LOL.

"How is supporting our right to wave the Confederate flag racist?" asks Cletus with his Type 10 diabetes.

First, Israel has no right to exist. "Israel's right to exist" is a racist trope popular with rednecks; it's the buzz-phrase frantically screamed when the hysterical calls of "anti-semitism!" prompt nothing but eye rolls and laughter from those who have tired of Chicken Little's theatrics. No state has a right to exist on conquered territory. Second, Zionism has been declared, by vote of the United Nations General Assembly, a racist philosophy. Defending a state founded on a racist philosophy is racist. You are a racist just like defenders of apartheid-era South Africa or apartheid-era Rhodesia.

Why does Israel not have a right to exist?

The region called Palestine was never a country. It was controlled by the British, who gave it to Israel.

That's not true but, frankly, I don't need to rebut it. Time is on our side. The birth rate is on our side. The world is on our side. Israel is already fighting to keep from blowing over the cliff. It will happen. We'll take everything you have. Every last inch of land. Every last nail in every last board in every last house. You will be left with nothing.

[puhrinsuhtun]

I support Israel's right to exist.

Then you're a racist.

Don't you have a sister who needs fucking back at Bible Camp, Cletus?

How is supporting Israel's right to exist racist?

LOL.

"How is supporting our right to wave the Confederate flag racist?" asks Cletus with his Type 10 diabetes.

First, Israel has no right to exist. "Israel's right to exist" is a racist trope popular with rednecks; it's the buzz-phrase frantically screamed when the hysterical calls of "anti-semitism!" prompt nothing but eye rolls and laughter from those who have tired of Chicken Little's theatrics. No state has a right to exist on conquered territory. Second, Zionism has been declared, by vote of the United Nations General Assembly, a racist philosophy. Defending a state founded on a racist philosophy is racist. You are a racist just like defenders of apartheid-era South Africa or apartheid-era Rhodesia.

Why does Israel not have a right to exist?

The region called Palestine was never a country. It was controlled by the British, who gave it to Israel.

That's not true but, frankly, I don't need to rebut it. Time is on our side. The breeding rate is on our side. The world is on our side. Israel is already fighting to keep from blowing over the cliff. It will happen. We'll take everything you have. Every last inch of land. Every last nail in every last board in every last house. You will be left with nothing.

Good luck with that. God bless Israel.

[saxitoxin]

God bless Israel.

God already picked a side. And you ain't on it.

[puhrinsuhtun]

God bless Israel.

God already picked a side. And you ain't on it.

Where in the Torah did it say Israel does not have the right to exist?

I understand you are an Arab but....there's always Jordan for ya mate!

[saxitoxin]

"We pray to God every single day for the dismantlement of the State of Israel! Before 1948 ... in Jerusalem, when the Jews went to Yom Kippur they gave the children to their Muslim neighbors. How could that be if they're our enemies? It's not a religious conflict. That's a Zionist ploy of accusing everyone of being Anti-Semitic. Zionism is about fear. Zionism is about running into a theater and yelling FIRE FIRE."


Puhrinsuhtun is a racist, Bible-thumping, redneck from Alabama who believes in conspiracy theories. He's most likely a member of a militia, the Klan, or NAMBLA.

[puhrinsuhtun]

"We pray to God every single day for the dismantlement of the State of Israel! Before 1948 ... in Jerusalem, when the Jews went to Yom Kippur they gave the children to their Muslim neighbors. How could that be if they're our enemies? It's not a religious conflict. That's a Zionist ploy of accusing everyone of being Anti-Semitic. Zionism is about fear. Zionism is about running into a theater and yelling FIRE FIRE."


Puhrinsuhtun is a racist, Bible-thumping, redneck from Alabama who believes in conspiracy theories. He's most likely a member of a militia, the Klan, or NAMBLA.

My man...let's not be racist now...

Israel has the right to exist.

[Dukasaur]

No state has a right to exist on conquered territory.

That's a truly absurd statement.

If that were true, it would nullify the existence of almost every nation on earth.

Iceland might be an exception, and perhaps some of the tiny Polynesian countries. Other than that, every nation today is ruled by people who took it by force of arms from some other people who dwelt there previously.

[saxitoxin]

"We pray to God every single day for the dismantlement of the State of Israel! Before 1948 ... in Jerusalem, when the Jews went to Yom Kippur they gave the children to their Muslim neighbors. How could that be if they're our enemies? It's not a religious conflict. That's a Zionist ploy of accusing everyone of being Anti-Semitic. Zionism is about fear. Zionism is about running into a theater and yelling FIRE FIRE."


Puhrinsuhtun is a racist, Bible-thumping, redneck from Alabama who believes in conspiracy theories. He's most likely a member of a militia, the Klan, or NAMBLA.

Israel has the right to exist.

I'm shocked you're permitted to continue to make blatantly and overtly racist declarations here. What's next? "Apartheid South Africa has the right to exist?" "The slave-holding Confederacy has the right to exist?"

No state has a right to exist on conquered territory.

That's a truly absurd statement.

If that were true, it would nullify the existence of almost every nation on earth.

International law, since 1900, establishes absolute brightlines about the lawful conduct of armed conflict. Among those is that states cannot establish themselves on conquered territory. A state that establishes itself on conquered territory is not a state. Israel is the only political entity that exists today that has crossed these brightlines and not (yet) been repelled by force.

The Fourth Hague Convention:

Article 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.
Article 55. The occupying State shall be regarded only as administrator and usufructuary of public buildings, real estate, forests, and agricultural estates belonging to the hostile State, and situated in the occupied country. It must safeguard the capital of these properties, and administer them in accordance with the rules of usufruct.

The Fourth Geneva Convention:

Article 54. The Occupying Power may not alter the status of public officials or judges in the occupied territories, or in any way apply sanctions to or take any measures of coercion or discrimination against them, should they abstain from fulfilling their functions for reasons of conscience.

Charter of the UN:

Article 2. The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.
Paragraph 4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

[jgordon1111]

No state has a right to exist on conquered territory.

That's a truly absurd statement.

If that were true, it would nullify the existence of almost every nation on earth.

Iceland might be an exception, and perhaps some of the tiny Polynesian countries. Other than that, every nation today is ruled by people who took it by force of arms from some other people who dwelt there previously.

Got to agree with your assessment Duk, now back to previous programming, for the dum dum backing Israel, yes lets go back lol,according to the Tora, God made a covenant with the people led out of Egypt, whom the Israelites are directly descended, I am sure you see it different,but the way I read it those people and their descendants would have what they were promised forever,....., unless they broke that covenant, seems like Israel defaulted on the covenant sometime around when the crusades began, and have needed their asses pulled out the fire every since and countries have always obliged them, it maybe time for them to pay the piper, the way I see it they have been directly responsible for most major wars on the damn planet, and still piss and moan about how bad they are treated, you dim dum are a prime example of the piss and moaning

[saxitoxin]

[jgordon1111]

"We pray to God every single day for the dismantlement of the State of Israel! Before 1948 ... in Jerusalem, when the Jews went to Yom Kippur they gave the children to their Muslim neighbors. How could that be if they're our enemies? It's not a religious conflict. That's a Zionist ploy of accusing everyone of being Anti-Semitic. Zionism is about fear. Zionism is about running into a theater and yelling FIRE FIRE."


Puhrinsuhtun is a racist, Bible-thumping, redneck from Alabama who believes in conspiracy theories. He's most likely a member of a militia, the Klan, or NAMBLA.

Israel has the right to exist.

I'm shocked you're permitted to continue to make blatantly and overtly racist declarations here. What's next? "Apartheid South Africa has the right to exist?" "The slave-holding Confederacy has the right to exist?"

No state has a right to exist on conquered territory.

That's a truly absurd statement.

If that were true, it would nullify the existence of almost every nation on earth.

International law, since 1900, establishes absolute brightlines about the lawful conduct of armed conflict. Among those is that states cannot establish themselves on conquered territory. A state that establishes itself on conquered territory is not a state. Israel is the only political entity that exists today that has crossed these brightlines and not (yet) been repelled by force.

The Fourth Hague Convention:

Article 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.
Article 55. The occupying State shall be regarded only as administrator and usufructuary of public buildings, real estate, forests, and agricultural estates belonging to the hostile State, and situated in the occupied country. It must safeguard the capital of these properties, and administer them in accordance with the rules of usufruct.

The Fourth Geneva Convention:

Article 54. The Occupying Power may not alter the status of public officials or judges in the occupied territories, or in any way apply sanctions to or take any measures of coercion or discrimination against them, should they abstain from fulfilling their functions for reasons of conscience.

Charter of the UN:

Article 2. The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.
Paragraph 4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

Well done saxi, you did your homework on that one, guessed you were gonna shoot from the hip surprise you didn't. That might shut puhpuh up

[Dukasaur]

No state has a right to exist on conquered territory.

That's a truly absurd statement.

If that were true, it would nullify the existence of almost every nation on earth.

International law, since 1900, establishes absolute brightlines about the lawful conduct of armed conflict. Among those is that states cannot establish themselves on conquered territory. A state that establishes itself on conquered territory is not a state. Israel is the only political entity that exists today that has crossed these brightlines and not (yet) been repelled by force.

The Fourth Hague Convention:

Article 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.
Article 55. The occupying State shall be regarded only as administrator and usufructuary of public buildings, real estate, forests, and agricultural estates belonging to the hostile State, and situated in the occupied country. It must safeguard the capital of these properties, and administer them in accordance with the rules of usufruct.

The Fourth Geneva Convention:

Article 54. The Occupying Power may not alter the status of public officials or judges in the occupied territories, or in any way apply sanctions to or take any measures of coercion or discrimination against them, should they abstain from fulfilling their functions for reasons of conscience.

Charter of the UN:

Article 2. The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.
Paragraph 4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

How convenient. A bunch of nations whose existence depends upon military conquest, sign some agreements declaring that henceforth the game is closed, and nobody who isn't already a member will henceforth be allowed to play.

Not exactly a new idea.

[saxitoxin]

No state has a right to exist on conquered territory.

That's a truly absurd statement.

If that were true, it would nullify the existence of almost every nation on earth.

International law, since 1900, establishes absolute brightlines about the lawful conduct of armed conflict. Among those is that states cannot establish themselves on conquered territory. A state that establishes itself on conquered territory is not a state. Israel is the only political entity that exists today that has crossed these brightlines and not (yet) been repelled by force.

The Fourth Hague Convention:

Article 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.
Article 55. The occupying State shall be regarded only as administrator and usufructuary of public buildings, real estate, forests, and agricultural estates belonging to the hostile State, and situated in the occupied country. It must safeguard the capital of these properties, and administer them in accordance with the rules of usufruct.

The Fourth Geneva Convention:

Article 54. The Occupying Power may not alter the status of public officials or judges in the occupied territories, or in any way apply sanctions to or take any measures of coercion or discrimination against them, should they abstain from fulfilling their functions for reasons of conscience.

Charter of the UN:

Article 2. The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.
Paragraph 4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

How convenient. A bunch of nations whose existence depends upon military conquest, sign some agreements declaring that henceforth the game is closed, and nobody who isn't already a member will henceforth be allowed to play.

Did Duk just say he's angry he can't rape and pillage?

Honestly, that took even me by surprise. For pure novelty of argument, match point, Duk.

[Dukasaur]

No state has a right to exist on conquered territory.

That's a truly absurd statement.

If that were true, it would nullify the existence of almost every nation on earth.

International law, since 1900, establishes absolute brightlines about the lawful conduct of armed conflict. Among those is that states cannot establish themselves on conquered territory. A state that establishes itself on conquered territory is not a state. Israel is the only political entity that exists today that has crossed these brightlines and not (yet) been repelled by force.

The Fourth Hague Convention:

Article 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.
Article 55. The occupying State shall be regarded only as administrator and usufructuary of public buildings, real estate, forests, and agricultural estates belonging to the hostile State, and situated in the occupied country. It must safeguard the capital of these properties, and administer them in accordance with the rules of usufruct.

The Fourth Geneva Convention:

Article 54. The Occupying Power may not alter the status of public officials or judges in the occupied territories, or in any way apply sanctions to or take any measures of coercion or discrimination against them, should they abstain from fulfilling their functions for reasons of conscience.

Charter of the UN:

Article 2. The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.
Paragraph 4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

How convenient. A bunch of nations whose existence depends upon military conquest, sign some agreements declaring that henceforth the game is closed, and nobody who isn't already a member will henceforth be allowed to play.

Did Duk just say he's angry he can't rape and pillage?

Honestly, that took even me by surprise. For pure novelty of argument, match point, Duk.

I'm just shocked at the hypocrisy of your position. You're saying the U.S., Russia, China, hell, even Uruguay, can go invade whoever the f*ck they want, but Isreal isn't allowed to carve out a homeland for itself because it didn't do it prior to the "private club -- members only" meetings of 1900.

[saxitoxin]

No state has a right to exist on conquered territory.

That's a truly absurd statement.

If that were true, it would nullify the existence of almost every nation on earth.

International law, since 1900, establishes absolute brightlines about the lawful conduct of armed conflict. Among those is that states cannot establish themselves on conquered territory. A state that establishes itself on conquered territory is not a state. Israel is the only political entity that exists today that has crossed these brightlines and not (yet) been repelled by force.

The Fourth Hague Convention:

Article 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.
Article 55. The occupying State shall be regarded only as administrator and usufructuary of public buildings, real estate, forests, and agricultural estates belonging to the hostile State, and situated in the occupied country. It must safeguard the capital of these properties, and administer them in accordance with the rules of usufruct.

The Fourth Geneva Convention:

Article 54. The Occupying Power may not alter the status of public officials or judges in the occupied territories, or in any way apply sanctions to or take any measures of coercion or discrimination against them, should they abstain from fulfilling their functions for reasons of conscience.

Charter of the UN:

Article 2. The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.
Paragraph 4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

How convenient. A bunch of nations whose existence depends upon military conquest, sign some agreements declaring that henceforth the game is closed, and nobody who isn't already a member will henceforth be allowed to play.

Did Duk just say he's angry he can't rape and pillage?

Honestly, that took even me by surprise. For pure novelty of argument, match point, Duk.

I'm just shocked at the hypocrisy of your position. You're saying the U.S., Russia, China, hell, even Uruguay, can go invade whoever the f*ck they want, but Isreal isn't allowed to carve out a homeland for itself

In the Stone Age men could rape whatever women they wanted. Now men can't. Should I get a "Free Rapin'" because it ain't fair I was born too late?

So, no, Israel doesn't get a free pass to for a "one time only" Mass Murder Spree (AKA "carve out a homeland"). And, yes, it's because they were born too late. Life ain't fair, sweetie. TANSTAAFL.

[Dukasaur]

Every cartel has its day, I suppose.

[Metsfanmax]

How convenient. A bunch of nations whose existence depends upon military conquest, sign some agreements declaring that henceforth the game is closed, and nobody who isn't already a member will henceforth be allowed to play.

Yeah, I too would like to return to the days of complete lawlessness and near-constant war. The rule of law fucking blows, shame on the world for agreeing to live by it.

[Dukasaur]

How convenient. A bunch of nations whose existence depends upon military conquest, sign some agreements declaring that henceforth the game is closed, and nobody who isn't already a member will henceforth be allowed to play.

Yeah, I too would like to return to the days of complete lawlessness and near-constant war. The rule of law fucking blows, shame on the world for agreeing to live by it.

Your alleged "rule of law" has allowed the world's greatest tyrants to freely oppress whomever they want to oppress. I'm not impressed.

There is no need to "return" to near-constant war. It is what we have now. Since 1911, there has not been a day without armed forces shooting at each other somewhere in the world. I'm not impressed.

Scientific and technological advances have made our lives better. There is no corresponding improvement in the world of politics and government.

[jgordon1111]

News flash the world has been at war since humans found out we could kill each other, and that is the one consistency in every nations history and the one thing we all strive to get better at. Sad but true. And anyone who strays from this view is subject to mockery and ridicule if they are lucky, sad but true.