[Exp] CYOC! #4 Endgame! Town wins, you filthy animals

by **HotShot53** on Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:26 pm

Well, I guess I have to claim, even though by claiming it eliminates the benefit of my role... I am a Mirror, any actions against me reflect back on whoever sent them. If someone tries a second time they will ignore the mirror and get a correct result. I was really hoping some scum would target me and be surprised when they woke up dead. I think that's what happened to endgame and mitch last night... so at least I got rid of the serial killer that way.

Was very funny when I saw that the one gift was a mirror that basically did the same thing... I'm not sure I trust IB that the mirror he was gifted lasts more than one night... very few gifts do that.

So with everyone claimed, it seems like ptlowe and mets are cleared with the whole spyglass thing, PCM with his secret votes to lynch a scum would clear him. That leaves IB as role cop and SW as bussdriver, both plausible scum roles. And the way IB is saying he was driven all around, and presumably SW will confirm with the switches, they look like the scum pair to me.

by **strike wolf** on Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:34 pm

Well by role alone I would be between IB and Hotshot. I can verify that I did visit Mitch N1 (most of my more likely scum were all potential Dakky victims and could have spelt my death) and Mets N2. I'll hold onto my N3 actions for now. However Role cop is as Hot himself said a possible scum role. Hotshot on the other hand has yet to have any verified actions from his role pending anything that happened last night.

I admit that my role isn't exactly proof of my alignment. I would hope my reads thus far in game would reflect it more (openly stated I read Benga and Dakky town by end of Day 1; stated suspicion of Streaker (early day 1) and Tim (day 1 and day 3.) I also had Marashu leaning town though I don't know if I ever said that in thread.

by **pancakemix** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:53 am

On mobile.

@Mets: I assume my votes can go in different places.

@Strike: Hard to believe someone isn't scum based on reads. Scum know the answers.

On remaining scum: I'd think there's only one left? 4+1/15 is fairly high, methinks.

by **Metsfanmax** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:11 pm

OK we should be able to all agree that ptlowe is cleared. You should probably believe that I am cleared too, based on what happened with ptlowe. PCM also has a very high probability of being cleared based on voting for Tim.

So we should be looking for scum out of IB, HotShot, and strike wolf. Now to the three of them there will really only be two choices, but that doesn't help the rest of us :-)

I have thoughts about these folks but they're still percolating. For now I just want to point out that in Blade Runner, the character's name is Rick Deckard.

by **ptlowe** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:22 pm

Wow...a lot of new information. Works been nuts last few days.

Do we think there is one or two mafia left? I havent played too many games this large before. From my perspective ib and strike seem the most scumny just based on their role claim. Although hotshot is never active enough to get whether he is scum or not. Just curious why only give me an item night one since I was able to get a kill right away? Why not keep giving me items as i am fairly protected? Is something you learn when giving gifts?

Finally i dont think i was visited. Im betting he would have been shot because im a pgo not a slasher pso paraniod sword owner.....

Anyways i think if there is a mirror role that makes sense. Even makes more sense if there was a redirect. If everyone explains their actions we might be able to figure scum. Start xplaining peeeps. Also i want another spyglass please

Fpd

by **Metsfanmax** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:41 pm

ptlowe wrote:Wow...a lot of new information. Works been nuts last few days.

Do we think there is one or two mafia left? I havent played too many games this large before. From my perspective ib and strike seem the most scumny just based on their role claim. Although hotshot is never active enough to get whether he is scum or not. Just curious why only give me an item night one since I was able to get a kill right away? Why not keep giving me items as i am fairly protected? Is something you learn when giving gifts?

Finally i dont think i was visited. Im betting he would have been shot because im a pgo not a slasher pso paraniod sword owner.....

Anyways i think if there is a mirror role that makes sense. Even makes more sense if there was a redirect. If everyone explains their actions we might be able to figure scum. Start xplaining peeeps. Also i want another spyglass please

Fpd

The reason I didn't just keep giving you a spy glass each night is because I thought it was unsportsmanlike. You're supposed to be clever as the gifter and vary it up. I wanted a challenge.

by **ptlowe** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:04 pm

Can I have one tonight?

On a side not reading the scene again. I think it makes sense both mirrors were used. Doesnt mean both were town though

by **ptlowe** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:10 pm

The other part that sucks is we lost our watcher and we never got any intel from him....

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:18 pm

Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million.

by **ptlowe** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:33 pm

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million.

Can i have 2 million

by **Metsfanmax** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:35 pm

ptlowe wrote:Can I have one tonight?

I'll strongly consider it. No promises though. I want to see what happens based on who we lynch.

by **strike wolf** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:35 pm

PCM: Fair enough but I have acted on these reads as well. I pushed Tim day 1. I was also suggesting him over Mitch day 3, though I admit I never strongly believed Mitch to be town. I just believed him more likely town than Tim and thought the theory suggested by one or more people that they both could be scum felt too convenient.

I would also point out that hotshot suggested he was trying to get mafia to target him. How? By laying low?

by **ptlowe** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:40 pm

strike wolf wrote:PCM: Fair enough but I have acted on these reads as well. I pushed Tim day 1. I was also suggesting him over Mitch day 3, though I admit I never strongly believed Mitch to be town. I just believed him more likely town than Tim and thought the theory suggested by one or more people that they both could be scum felt too convenient.

I would also point out that hotshot suggested he was trying to get mafia to target him. How? By laying low?

Good point. Also having a hard time buying that he wpuld think pgo killed mothman. Shits not adding up.

by **HotShot53** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:14 pm

ptlowe wrote:
Good point. Also having a hard time buying that he wpuld think pgo killed mothman. Shits not adding up.

I don't think that pgo killed mothman, I said that if end visited ptlowe day 1 as he claimed, ptlowe is now a pgo. Which means that if mets tries to give him another gift, he could die himself.

I think that both tried to kill me last night, and in turn killed themselves.

by **Metsfanmax** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:34 pm

HotShot: let's assume for the moment that there's only one scum left out of IB and strike wolf. Which would you lynch?

by **ptlowe** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:37 pm

strike wolf wrote:End could still have been the gifter. It would make Little sense to fake claim it and funky roles like that aren't out of the question in a set up like this. Seems end was picked off by our PGO if flavor is accurate. Redirected or thought PT was safe and wanted to trick others into visiting while he thought it was still safe.

It was you who thought the PGO did it. Highly doubtful as I have a gun.

vote strike wolf

by **strike wolf** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:24 pm

You claimed wolverine who has three metal claws on his hands. You're also a claimed PGO who kills each person who visits him. The victim was slashed to death when visitING the attacker. What about that doesn't sound like you? :roll:

The only thing that doesn't add up is why end died if yoy were never shot at. This would require a. Pancake lying about night 2. Id deem this unlikely even without the claim as I've mostly read him town. B. You misinterpreting your role or C. I am wrong and Hotshot/IB was actually the intended victim. B or C seem the most likely.

by **ptlowe** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:26 pm

strike wolf wrote:You claimed wolverine who has three metal claws on his hands. You're also a claimed PGO who kills each person who visits him. The victim was slashed to death when visitING the attacker. What about that doesn't sound like you?

The only thing that doesn't add up is why end died if yoy were never shot at. This would require a. Pancake lying about night 2. Id deem this unlikely even without the claim as I've mostly read him town. B. You misinterpreting your role or C. I am wrong and Hotshot/IB was actually the intended victim. B or C seem the most likely.

I am wolverine and I am PGO. However wouldnt a Paranoid gun owner kill with a gun and not with a claw????

by **Metsfanmax** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:27 pm

ptlowe wrote:
strike wolf wrote:You claimed wolverine who has three metal claws on his hands. You're also a claimed PGO who kills each person who visits him. The victim was slashed to death when visitING the attacker. What about that doesn't sound like you?

The only thing that doesn't add up is why end died if yoy were never shot at. This would require a. Pancake lying about night 2. Id deem this unlikely even without the claim as I've mostly read him town. B. You misinterpreting your role or C. I am wrong and Hotshot/IB was actually the intended victim. B or C seem the most likely.

I am wolverine and I am PGO. However wouldnt a Paranoid gun owner kill with a gun and not with a claw????

No. Most mods would make the death scene fit the character's flavor, and TFO is no exception.

by **strike wolf** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:29 pm

Youre too caught up in the name which is used as a general guideline of abilities and not about your character. This game is all about character flavor. Wolverine would kill just how he attacks in the comics, tv and movies with claws out.

by **ptlowe** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:31 pm

Well screw my logic then. unvote for now

by **Iron Butterfly** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:59 pm

So how does the cop die night 2? That has bugged me.

I read Mets as Busdriver which means he flipped with Strike as strike says.

On night three.... if I killed Mitch with a mirror reflect why would not End die from a reflect if he attacked me or HS?
End is not stupid enough to attack Ptlowe out of fear so if Strike switched with Ptlowe and Ptlowe is who he says...why would Strike not die?

by **Metsfanmax** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:36 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:So how does the cop die night 2? That has bugged me.

The only decent explanations are either (1) End killed him or (2) one of you is lying about your character and has some sort of poisoning ability. I'm leaning towards the former; the Mothman's death scene indicated that his MO was to sneak into a house silently, which meshes with the fact that TFO probably died without even noticing him.

Then my best guess as to how End lost his BP is that dakky tried to shoot him on N1.

Possible alternative explanation: ptlowe is lying about his role, has been a PGO all along, and is a third party survivor.

On night three.... if I killed Mitch with a mirror reflect why would not End die from a reflect if he attacked me or HS?

End is not stupid enough to attack Ptlowe out of fear so if Strike switched with Ptlowe and Ptlowe is who he says...why would Strike not die?

Because when you're a busdriver you don't ever visit the target, you just redirect who anyone targeting you visits.

by **ptlowe** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:39 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:So how does the cop die night 2? That has bugged me.

The only decent explanations are either (1) End killed him or (2) one of you is lying about your character and has some sort of poisoning ability. I'm leaning towards the former; the Mothman's death scene indicated that his MO was to sneak into a house silently, which meshes with the fact that TFO probably died without even noticing him.

Then my best guess as to how End lost his BP is that dakky tried to shoot him on N1.

Possible alternative explanation: ptlowe is lying about his role, has been a PGO all along, and is a third party survivor.

On night three.... if I killed Mitch with a mirror reflect why would not End die from a reflect if he attacked me or HS?

End is not stupid enough to attack Ptlowe out of fear so if Strike switched with Ptlowe and Ptlowe is who he says...why would Strike not die?

Because when you're a busdriver you don't ever visit the target, you just redirect who anyone targeting you visits.

man im not following this at all....lol are you getting people confused?

by **Metsfanmax** on Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:00 pm

No, the point of my post is that I don't really think there are unanswered questions or surprises -- it's possible, but my best guess is that for the most part everyone is being truthful about the roles and actions they've stated, and we only need to figure out which one of the three of them is scum.

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