Creeping toward a new holocaust?

[Symmetry]

Also, the Republicans have had creeping fascism for a long time.

True, they are the party that appointed Gerald Ford to the Presidency bypassing any form of vote, I suppose. There's long been an element in the Republican party doomed to repeat history

I'm more concerned with the combination of corporate cronyism and the growth of the military industrial complex than with Gerald Ford. It is also somewhat concerning that the Democrats don't offer a real alternative given our current president and the odds-on favorite to win the Democratic Party nomination.

So, just to clarify, you're OK with a national registry and tracking of Muslims, making Islam illegal, restricting people seeking asylum based on their faith rather than their need, and all that, because you don't like the Democrats?

Wow. You got all that from my post on Gerald Ford and the Democrats not offering a real alternative? Why stop there? Why not also indicate that I'm okay using nuclear weapons on the entirety of the Middle East? You know, just to clarify.

So, just to clarify, you're unwilling to clarify? I don't like dragging you over the coals of your "Fascism if it means it's not the Dems" argument, but hey, this is where we are at.

[thegreekdog]

I don't think that's where we're at. I think you're a jackass. I'm also fairly certain you do not understand what fascism is, or the recent history of the United States or two major parties.

In any event, I'm not okay with a national registry and tracking of Muslims, making Islam illegal, restricting people seeking asylum based on their faith (and all that). I'm in favor of religious freedom. I'm in favor of no restrictions on immigration. I think the idea that Syrians (and only Syrians) are terrorists is laughably ridiculous. I think the Democrats and Republicans have no interest in doing what is necessary to combat terrorism, starting with withdrawing forces from the Middle East and ceasing kotowing to military industry.

So, given your expertise in US politics and foreign policy, I would defer to you. What party or group or candidates should I support? How should I work to stop the "creeping toward a new holocaust?" Can you give me some insight into what you're doing over in the UK? I can only assume, given your superiority to all other nation states, you have determined the appropriate response.

[Symmetry]

I don't think that's where we're at. I think you're a jackass. I'm also fairly certain you do not understand what fascism is, or the recent history of the United States or two major parties.

In any event, I'm not okay with a national registry and tracking of Muslims, making Islam illegal, restricting people seeking asylum based on their faith (and all that). I'm in favor of religious freedom. I'm in favor of no restrictions on immigration. I think the idea that Syrians (and only Syrians) are terrorists is laughably ridiculous. I think the Democrats and Republicans have no interest in doing what is necessary to combat terrorism, starting with withdrawing forces from the Middle East and ceasing kotowing to military industry.

So, given your expertise in US politics and foreign policy, I would defer to you. What party or group or candidates should I support? How should I work to stop the "creeping toward a new holocaust?" Can you give me some insight into what you're doing over in the UK? I can only assume, given your superiority to all other nation states, you have determined the appropriate response.

You're the one with the Che Guevaresque avatar. Are you really looking to me for possible ways to oppose a system you dislike?

[thegreekdog]

I don't think that's where we're at. I think you're a jackass. I'm also fairly certain you do not understand what fascism is, or the recent history of the United States or two major parties.

In any event, I'm not okay with a national registry and tracking of Muslims, making Islam illegal, restricting people seeking asylum based on their faith (and all that). I'm in favor of religious freedom. I'm in favor of no restrictions on immigration. I think the idea that Syrians (and only Syrians) are terrorists is laughably ridiculous. I think the Democrats and Republicans have no interest in doing what is necessary to combat terrorism, starting with withdrawing forces from the Middle East and ceasing kotowing to military industry.

So, given your expertise in US politics and foreign policy, I would defer to you. What party or group or candidates should I support? How should I work to stop the "creeping toward a new holocaust?" Can you give me some insight into what you're doing over in the UK? I can only assume, given your superiority to all other nation states, you have determined the appropriate response.

You're the one with the Che Guevaresque avatar. Are you really looking to me for possible ways to oppose a system you dislike?

My avatar is ironic, so yes. Please enlighten me. Otherwise, I shall have to ask Saxi to provide some scathing remarks on how the UK treats immigrants or whatever else he can come up with.

[Symmetry]

I don't think that's where we're at. I think you're a jackass. I'm also fairly certain you do not understand what fascism is, or the recent history of the United States or two major parties.

In any event, I'm not okay with a national registry and tracking of Muslims, making Islam illegal, restricting people seeking asylum based on their faith (and all that). I'm in favor of religious freedom. I'm in favor of no restrictions on immigration. I think the idea that Syrians (and only Syrians) are terrorists is laughably ridiculous. I think the Democrats and Republicans have no interest in doing what is necessary to combat terrorism, starting with withdrawing forces from the Middle East and ceasing kotowing to military industry.

So, given your expertise in US politics and foreign policy, I would defer to you. What party or group or candidates should I support? How should I work to stop the "creeping toward a new holocaust?" Can you give me some insight into what you're doing over in the UK? I can only assume, given your superiority to all other nation states, you have determined the appropriate response.

You're the one with the Che Guevaresque avatar. Are you really looking to me for possible ways to oppose a system you dislike?

My avatar is ironic, so yes. Please enlighten me. Otherwise, I shall have to ask Saxi to provide some scathing remarks on how the UK treats immigrants or whatever else he can come up with.

So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're the kind of guy who might wear a Che T-shirt for some vaguely ironic purpose, because...

And no, Saxi is preoccupied sending me homophobic stuff of late. I know you like to forgive him on the bullying front, but please don't use him as a threat.

[thegreekdog]

I don't think that's where we're at. I think you're a jackass. I'm also fairly certain you do not understand what fascism is, or the recent history of the United States or two major parties.

In any event, I'm not okay with a national registry and tracking of Muslims, making Islam illegal, restricting people seeking asylum based on their faith (and all that). I'm in favor of religious freedom. I'm in favor of no restrictions on immigration. I think the idea that Syrians (and only Syrians) are terrorists is laughably ridiculous. I think the Democrats and Republicans have no interest in doing what is necessary to combat terrorism, starting with withdrawing forces from the Middle East and ceasing kotowing to military industry.

So, given your expertise in US politics and foreign policy, I would defer to you. What party or group or candidates should I support? How should I work to stop the "creeping toward a new holocaust?" Can you give me some insight into what you're doing over in the UK? I can only assume, given your superiority to all other nation states, you have determined the appropriate response.

You're the one with the Che Guevaresque avatar. Are you really looking to me for possible ways to oppose a system you dislike?

My avatar is ironic, so yes. Please enlighten me. Otherwise, I shall have to ask Saxi to provide some scathing remarks on how the UK treats immigrants or whatever else he can come up with.

So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're the kind of guy who might wear a Che T-shirt for some vaguely ironic purpose, because...

And no, Saxi is preoccupied sending me homophobic stuff of late. I know you like to forgive him on the bullying front, but please don't use him as a threat.

Me where a Che T-shirt? Oh no. I am pointing out the irony of a rich white American kid purchasing a t-shirt of a revolutionary, the t-shirt likely manufactured by a multinational corporation, based in the United States but using cheap Chinese labor.

So I really do need your advice, especially with respect to party choice here. You seem to know exactly what is going on (even though I'm not sure you understand what fascism is since you referenced Gerald Ford as your advice of Republican fascism).

[Symmetry]

I don't think that's where we're at. I think you're a jackass. I'm also fairly certain you do not understand what fascism is, or the recent history of the United States or two major parties.

In any event, I'm not okay with a national registry and tracking of Muslims, making Islam illegal, restricting people seeking asylum based on their faith (and all that). I'm in favor of religious freedom. I'm in favor of no restrictions on immigration. I think the idea that Syrians (and only Syrians) are terrorists is laughably ridiculous. I think the Democrats and Republicans have no interest in doing what is necessary to combat terrorism, starting with withdrawing forces from the Middle East and ceasing kotowing to military industry.

So, given your expertise in US politics and foreign policy, I would defer to you. What party or group or candidates should I support? How should I work to stop the "creeping toward a new holocaust?" Can you give me some insight into what you're doing over in the UK? I can only assume, given your superiority to all other nation states, you have determined the appropriate response.

You're the one with the Che Guevaresque avatar. Are you really looking to me for possible ways to oppose a system you dislike?

My avatar is ironic, so yes. Please enlighten me. Otherwise, I shall have to ask Saxi to provide some scathing remarks on how the UK treats immigrants or whatever else he can come up with.

So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're the kind of guy who might wear a Che T-shirt for some vaguely ironic purpose, because...

And no, Saxi is preoccupied sending me homophobic stuff of late. I know you like to forgive him on the bullying front, but please don't use him as a threat.

Me where a Che T-shirt? Oh no. I am pointing out the irony of a rich white American kid purchasing a t-shirt of a revolutionary, the t-shirt likely manufactured by a multinational corporation, based in the United States but using cheap Chinese labor.

So I really do need your advice, especially with respect to party choice here. You seem to know exactly what is going on (even though I'm not sure you understand what fascism is since you referenced Gerald Ford as your advice of Republican fascism).

Perhaps, and I've obviously phrased this thread a little over-complicatedly, maybe, and this is just a suggestion, don't vote fascist. Of the poem I posted in the OP, where do you think you would place your objection?

[PLAYER57832]

I think the Democrats and Republicans have no interest in doing what is necessary to combat terrorism, starting with withdrawing forces from the Middle East and ceasing kotowing to military industry.

While I am not convinced that simply withdrawing our troops is the answer, I definitely agree that both Republicans and Democrats exist in a system where, in order to get elected, they have to forgo doing what they may actually think is necessary.

That, and well.. I am not sure anyone really has the full answer, except that us deciding we can dictate or control what happens around the world is just plain wrong.

Its rather ironic that despite all of our involvement in different parts of Africa, China is now gaining serious footholds simply by selling products, not through military conquest.

[Symmetry]

I think the Democrats and Republicans have no interest in doing what is necessary to combat terrorism, starting with withdrawing forces from the Middle East and ceasing kotowing to military industry.

While I am not convinced that simply withdrawing our troops is the answer, I definitely agree that neither Republicans or Democrats exist in a system where, in order to get elected, they have to forgo doing what they may actually think is necessary.

That, and well.. I am not sure anyone really has the full answer, except that us deciding we can dictate or control what happens around the world is just plain wrong.

Its rather ironic that despite all of our involvement in different parts of Africa, China is now gaining serious footholds simply by selling products, not through military conquest.

Aye, though the economic power of China is scary. I've been to Taiwan, but the number of countries who won't acknowledge it as a country is scary.

[PLAYER57832]

Its rather ironic that despite all of our involvement in different parts of Africa, China is now gaining serious footholds simply by selling products, not through military conquest.

Aye, though the economic power of China is scary. I've been to Taiwan, but the number of countries who won't acknowledge it as a country is scary.

I was actually referring to China's entry into much of Africa and other places we call "less developed". They send a few people to set up shop, literally, sell stuff and create a new market. I would have to do some research to find articles on it, but the point was that these group actually are doing more to boost local economy, get people working, get people the stuff they want than a lot of aid agencies, certainly more than most traditional government interventions.

But, as I think I said somewhere earlier, the western powers are not really intervening for humanitarian reasons, no matter the rhetoric. Its about power and resource control. That is also part of why you don't see a lot of local support. Its not really a local battle for individuals wanting rights and territory, its a bunch of big players who are just rolling all over the local populace, crushing them, while pretending to be fighting for "the people's rights".

[Symmetry]

Sure, but I was referring to my experience. Many of these economic agreements require that Taiwan be considered China's property.

[PLAYER57832]

There will be a Holocaust, and the victims will be straight, white, middle class males. Just ask the Democrats.

If any party were said to be making that claim, it would be the Republicans.

[thegreekdog]

Perhaps, and I've obviously phrased this thread a little over-complicatedly, maybe, and this is just a suggestion, don't vote fascist. Of the poem I posted in the OP, where do you think you would place your objection?

I already placed my objection three presidential elections ago (Bush's second term) when I voted Libertarian. Not sure what else I can do since it seems pretty clear, especially recently, that folks just want to be "safe" and will support anyone who gets them there, no matter who gets stepped on in the process.

[Symmetry]

Perhaps, and I've obviously phrased this thread a little over-complicatedly, maybe, and this is just a suggestion, don't vote fascist. Of the poem I posted in the OP, where do you think you would place your objection?

I already placed my objection three presidential elections ago (Bush's second term) when I voted Libertarian. Not sure what else I can do since it seems pretty clear, especially recently, that folks just want to be "safe" and will support anyone who gets them there, no matter who gets stepped on in the process.

Yes, we've discussed your love of Ron Paul and his deeply racist and homophobic views before.

[Phatscotty]

With polls showing that a minority of Republican voters think that Islam should be legally allowed and the Republican front runner declaring that Muslims should be registered and tracked, how far along do you think we are toward conservatives either fully embracing or finally speaking out against the creeping fascism of the Republicans?

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Plenty of room in your OP to share these poll results...

[Symmetry]

With polls showing that a minority of Republican voters think that Islam should be legally allowed and the Republican front runner declaring that Muslims should be registered and tracked, how far along do you think we are toward conservatives either fully embracing or finally speaking out against the creeping fascism of the Republicans?

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Plenty of room in your OP to share these poll results...

Or you could google them.

[thegreekdog]

Perhaps, and I've obviously phrased this thread a little over-complicatedly, maybe, and this is just a suggestion, don't vote fascist. Of the poem I posted in the OP, where do you think you would place your objection?

I already placed my objection three presidential elections ago (Bush's second term) when I voted Libertarian. Not sure what else I can do since it seems pretty clear, especially recently, that folks just want to be "safe" and will support anyone who gets them there, no matter who gets stepped on in the process.

Yes, we've discussed your love of Ron Paul and his deeply racist and homophobic views before.

Ron Paul is not a Libertarian, he's a Republican, and I've never voted for him. He's also retired and not running for any elected office. What else you got?

[Symmetry]

Perhaps, and I've obviously phrased this thread a little over-complicatedly, maybe, and this is just a suggestion, don't vote fascist. Of the poem I posted in the OP, where do you think you would place your objection?

I already placed my objection three presidential elections ago (Bush's second term) when I voted Libertarian. Not sure what else I can do since it seems pretty clear, especially recently, that folks just want to be "safe" and will support anyone who gets them there, no matter who gets stepped on in the process.

Yes, we've discussed your love of Ron Paul and his deeply racist and homophobic views before.

Ron Paul is not a Libertarian, he's a Republican, and I've never voted for him. He's also retired and not running for any elected office. What else you got?

Nice dodge, when Paul was publishing those newsletters he was Libertarian. Was it late 80's when he was their presidential candidate?

[saxitoxin]

Perhaps, and I've obviously phrased this thread a little over-complicatedly, maybe, and this is just a suggestion, don't vote fascist. Of the poem I posted in the OP, where do you think you would place your objection?

I already placed my objection three presidential elections ago (Bush's second term) when I voted Libertarian. Not sure what else I can do since it seems pretty clear, especially recently, that folks just want to be "safe" and will support anyone who gets them there, no matter who gets stepped on in the process.

Yes, we've discussed your love of Ron Paul and his deeply racist and homophobic views before.

Ron Paul is not a Libertarian, he's a Republican, and I've never voted for him. He's also retired and not running for any elected office. What else you got?

Nice dodge, when Paul was publishing those newsletters he was Libertarian. Was it late 80's when he was their presidential candidate?

GreekDog - did you or did you not vote for Ron Paul in your 2nd grade Scholastic News KidzVote '88 poll? Don't try to dodge, answer the fucking question.

[saxitoxin]

ANSWER IT.

[Symmetry]

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/7/9868996/trump-islam-chart

Disturbing stuff.

Republican front runner now saying that Muslims should not be allowed to enter the US.

[muy_thaiguy]

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/7/9868996/trump-islam-chart

Disturbing stuff.

Republican front runner now saying that Muslims should not be allowed to enter the US.

Trump and Goranz would get along splendidly.

[GoranZ]

With polls showing that a minority of Republican voters think that Islam should be legally allowed and the Republican front runner declaring that Muslims should be registered and tracked, how far along do you think we are toward conservatives either fully embracing or finally speaking out against the creeping fascism of the Republicans?

In the last 14 centuries Muslims never showed ability to live in peace with people from other religions. Where ever there is mixed population of Muslims and members from other religions there are problems.
Example: Middle East(Muslims-Ortodox Christians), India/Pakistan/Bangladesh(Muslims-Hindu), Southern Thailand(Muslims-Buddhists), Philippines(Muslims-Catholic Christians), Central Africa(Muslims-Christians) etc... The list is very long. If Muslims want to live in peace they should respect others(religious and non-religious people). So far they haven't demonstrated that, not even once.

For what holocaust are you imbecile talking about when Muslims are not the worlds most persecuted minority?

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/7/9868996/trump-islam-chart

Disturbing stuff.

Republican front runner now saying that Muslims should not be allowed to enter the US.

Good stuff, Muslims should learn once and for all. They have a choice to do it peacefully or by force.

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/7/9868996/trump-islam-chart

Disturbing stuff.

Republican front runner now saying that Muslims should not be allowed to enter the US.

Trump and Goranz would get along splendidly.

Dumb people die first, luckily you are DUMB

[Symmetry]

With polls showing that a minority of Republican voters think that Islam should be legally allowed and the Republican front runner declaring that Muslims should be registered and tracked, how far along do you think we are toward conservatives either fully embracing or finally speaking out against the creeping fascism of the Republicans?

In the last 14 centuries Muslims never showed ability to live in peace with people from other religions. Where ever there is mixed population of Muslims and members from other religions there are problems.

So that"s obviously BS, as hey the Ottoman Empire existed.

[GoranZ]

With polls showing that a minority of Republican voters think that Islam should be legally allowed and the Republican front runner declaring that Muslims should be registered and tracked, how far along do you think we are toward conservatives either fully embracing or finally speaking out against the creeping fascism of the Republicans?

In the last 14 centuries Muslims never showed ability to live in peace with people from other religions. Where ever there is mixed population of Muslims and members from other religions there are problems.

So that"s obviously BS, as hey the Ottoman Empire existed.

Dumbass, Ottoman Empire existed for only 6 centuries.