Creeping toward a new holocaust?

[Symmetry]

With polls showing that a minority of Republican voters think that Islam should be legally allowed and the Republican front runner declaring that Muslims should be registered and tracked, how far along do you think we are toward conservatives either fully embracing or finally speaking out against the creeping fascism of the Republicans?

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[saxitoxin]

The national chair of Teens for Ted Cruz has quit.

A 13-year old who got famous in the conservative media for videos criticizing President Obama and others is now saying he can no longer stand the Republican party.

Pearson told CNN in a report out tonight that he can no longer be a “champion of a party that turned a blind eye to racial discrimination.”

He explained, “I don’t want to be the conservative wonder kid that people follow because I make them feel good and like young people are part of their movement.”



http://www.mediaite.com/online/teen-fam ... m-the-gop/

The first thing to drop was his balls. The second was Cruz.

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With polls showing that a minority of Republican voters* think that Islam should be legally allowed

*in Iowa
...that happened to to be selected for and have the desire to take a long random robocall poll
...in which 30% actually answered in favor of a ban.

Sounds representative to me!

[Symmetry]

With polls showing that a minority of Republican voters* think that Islam should be legally allowed

*in Iowa
...that happened to to be selected for and have the desire to take a long random robocall poll
...in which 30% actually answered in favor of a ban.

Sounds representative to me!

Here's North Carolina-
http://national.deseretnews.com/article/6268/40-of-north-carolinas-conservatives-think-islam-should-be-illegal.html

How long before you take a stand?

[Army of GOD]

Symmetry, why do you think the Holocaust is worse than Stalinistique genocide of the Holodomor?

[Symmetry]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/11/military-coup-some-americans-would-vote-yes

only 41% of US voters polled would definitely not support the overthrow of the democratic government big a military coup.

[PLAYER57832]

Even if we were, I would sleep easier at night knowing that muslims were all in concentration camps.

I HOPE you are not serious.

And, aren't you the one talking about Christianity? Explain where Christ tells us to harm those who disagree.

With polls showing that a minority of Republican voters think that Islam should be legally allowed and the Republican front runner declaring that Muslims should be registered and tracked, how far along do you think we are toward conservatives either fully embracing or finally speaking out against the creeping fascism of the Republicans?

Your poll is biased, but that aside, its clear that the anti-islam rhetoric and feelings are growing. I mean, several governors are against relocating Syrian refugees, some want only Christian refugees relocated, etc.

On the other hand, the big difference is that in past events of discrimination, there was no real threat from those denied. Even during WWII, for example, while Germans did experience some ill-will, it was Japanese (and some Chinese) who were interned. German prisoners kept here to work on farms and such were treated pretty well, from what I have read. Some even stayed and became citizens. In this case, there are dangerous individuals within these groups. Blacks, of course, have experienced reams of discrimination on all fronts, for no real cause. However, without excusing that, I don't think it is directly related to the Islam issue. (it is such a big topic in and of itself, I don't want to mix the issues up, but am mentioning it because in the discussion of discrimination, it must be noted).

In part, this is not unrelated to previous waves of discrimination against those who are not "like" us. Not so long ago, our country would see signs saying "no dogs or Irish allowed". Italians, Poles, etc, etc... each faced discrimination when they came in what were perceived by some to be in too large numbers.

But here is the uneasy truth. While this idea that we can and should blatantly discriminate against all Muslims because they might be terrorists is just plain wrong and needs to be countered, there is an uneasy truth in that all of these past waves have impacted our country. And, while we now tend to look back and see cause for celebration, it is legitimate to at least ask how much of that is a case of looking back with rose colored glasses. Also, as our population expands, it is legitimate to ask how many new people (of any nationality, religion, etc.) we should take and how.

Let me be clear, the biggest reason to allow open and free discussion is because when these things are not discussed in open ways, then the discussion shifts to the darkest and most irrational, plain wrong (that is, not fact-based) formats and areas. Open discussion allow us to honestly distinguish between hatred based rhetoric and rhetoric that is based on real fear. That is, "real", in the sense that it is what people are feeling. Whether it is "real" in terms of fact is what needs to be debated and discussed.

[Symmetry]

It's not my poll, nor is it a single poll, and I note that you're crying bias without explaining what you think the bias is, or your reasons for thinking so. I'm inclined to believe that your response to the evidence was something of a knee jerk. I'd be happy to hear a more detailed critique.

[thegreekdog]

finally speaking out against the creeping fascism of the Republicans?

How do you define "finally speaking out"? There are not many viable alternatives to the Republican Party. I am more concerned with this new theory that Syrians are the only ones that commit terrorism.

Also, the Republicans have had creeping fascism for a long time.

[Bernie Sanders]

[PLAYER57832]

It's not my poll, nor is it a single poll, and I note that you're crying bias without explaining what you think the bias is, or your reasons for thinking so. I'm inclined to believe that your response to the evidence was something of a knee jerk. I'd be happy to hear a more detailed critique.

If you are talking about me...
The bias begins on several fronts. First, what is a US voter in this poll -- people eligible to vote, those who have voted? Neither is necessarily representative of either those who will vote in the next election or of the general public at large, even all republicans. If you really want me to go further into the sampling bias, I can, but in the case of my argument above, it was just an aside. The numbers being precise were not at issue, enough people do think that way to be of concern.

Did you bother to read the post or just the first sentence?

[PLAYER57832]

That's why I always support the Republicans, even though they have turned into a big-government (read: communist) party.

This last part is almost humorous.. if so many did not believe that same bit.

Hint: Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are even close to communism, (though the Republicans are perhaps close to emulating the few at the top making the decisions aspect of Communism.) Bernie Sanders appreciates socialism, up front and honestly, as opposed to the "we pretend to be for the individual, but really want all kinds of corporate safeguards and benefits in the name of maintaining 'free' commerce Republicans. However, he is not truly either socialist or communist.

I would rather have someone who acknowledges that yes, we do need taxes to pay for schools, roads, the military, protection, safety - and not folks who want to pretend that can all be accomplished by "free markets" -- meanwhile, supporting every tax break and corporate protection measure they can. I doubt Bernie will make the main vote, but it is nice to contemplate.

[thegreekdog]

I would rather have someone who acknowledges that yes, we do need taxes to pay for schools, roads, the military, protection, safety - and not folks who want to pretend that can all be accomplished by "free markets" -- meanwhile, supporting every tax break and corporate protection measure they can.

Good luck finding a candidate meeting those criteria.

[muy_thaiguy]

Trump and Carson are excellent reasons why the GOP has fallen out of my favor. Democrats really aren't any better, but for different reasons. I identify as more Independent than anything.

[PLAYER57832]

I would rather have someone who acknowledges that yes, we do need taxes to pay for schools, roads, the military, protection, safety - and not folks who want to pretend that can all be accomplished by "free markets" -- meanwhile, supporting every tax break and corporate protection measure they can.

Good luck finding a candidate meeting those criteria.

Bernie Sanders comes the closest, its highly doubtful he will pass the primary.

[nagerous]

Seriously though guys if you vote Trump a guy who actively mocks and does impressions of disabled people as your President then your country is fucked and we will have nothing further to do with you....

[nagerous]

Even if we were, I would sleep easier at night knowing that muslims were all in concentration camps.

I hope that is a joke either you are mentally deranged and you have let down the concept of the beautiful green dinosaur called Yoshi.

[nagerous]

Even if we were, I would sleep easier at night knowing that muslims were all in concentration camps.

this is worthy of a permenant ban. What the f*ck happened to this site, if daddy wasn't head moderator would this shit be allowed, I am sof u King angry f*ck you doom f*ck you and your fucking cunt+ish racist bullsnit, have complained to King a don't care if it means I am banned I will always stand up against shit like thos

[riskllama]

pretty sure he was joking...

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With polls showing that a minority of Republican voters* think that Islam should be legally allowed

*in Iowa
...that happened to to be selected for and have the desire to take a long random robocall poll
...in which 30% actually answered in favor of a ban.

Sounds representative to me!

Here's North Carolina-
http://national.deseretnews.com/article/6268/40-of-north-carolinas-conservatives-think-islam-should-be-illegal.html

How long before you take a stand?

That's still the same polling company. Public policy polling is absolutely riddled with methodological problems.
https://newrepublic.com/article/114769/ ... nt-defense
https://newrepublic.com/article/114682/ ... que-flawed
TLDR version: they intentionally troll republicans, practically the only people that respond to them are old white people, and they selectively delete large portions of their respondents; allowing them to make the polls say pretty much whatever they want.
You of all people should know that if you give people the option, there's about a 10% chance people will vote "kittens" to a yes or no question.
Anyways that's besides the point, I just really hate badly used statistical "evidence".

Of course xenophobic public policy is stupid and counterproductive! The whole reason the US is such an infrequent target of homegrown religious terrorism when compared to European countries is because we have a national ideal of assimilation.
http://www.economist.com/news/united-st ... integrated

Guerrilla warfare makes it almost impossible to defeat a local enemy through "us" vs "them" tactics. Despite their willingness to use the worst atrocities on enemies, even the Nazis faced tremendous resistance in allied, occupied and even their own territories. Even in a place like Xinjiang, where Islamic custom is heavily restricted by the state, it's a tactical decision to assimilate them into a unified state identity, not blind xenophobia. Any one with a decent grasp of sociology should understand this sort of thing.

[PLAYER57832]

Seriously though guys if you vote Trump a guy who actively mocks and does impressions of disabled people as your President then your country is &^%

I said last spring that him making the Republican ticket in the primary would be about the only way Hillary would get elected. Ben Carson could probably do it, too. The evil part of me would like to see a debate between Trump and Bernie Sanders, but Democrats electing Bernie might mean Trump wpuld be elected.

and we will have nothing further to do with you....

You can try....
Then again, if he gets elected, I will be very tempted to move out of the country.

[mrswdk]

There will be a Holocaust, and the victims will be straight, white, middle class males. Just ask the Democrats.