Happy Birthday to 1 great Defensive Tactician Von Manstein.

[Bernie Sanders]

------Happy 128th Birthday to one of the Greatest Defensive Tacticians ever. Erich Von Manstein. Rommel(The Desert Fox)'s B-Day was Nov.15th. One of the best offensive.Like Rommel, He was no nazi. Like his book "Lost Victories", tells of the military aspect of the war. His fights in the war room with Hitler(who Manstien thought was a crazy fool ). Wiki left some key things out. At his war crimes trail, his counterparts spoke on his behalf. Churchill,Eisenhower,Zuchkov. I think Rommel would have had been treated the same by them. Wiki left out. After he served his time in prison for war crimes. Manstien was giving the job of making NATO's defense plan. In case of Soviet Warsaw Pact invasion. Thanks to his "Mobile Defense Strategy" against the Red Army in 1943/44. You have to love the computer age. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

Nice try Nazi lover, Confederate lover, or should I say Double loser
If Soviets captured him his life would have been much shorter, as he deserve.

Confederates or Nazis, the same ignorant and hateful people and symbols.

[riskllama]

hey Bernard, you forgot chevy owners...

[Bernie Sanders]

hey Bernard, you forgot chevy owners...

I'm guilty for loving Chevys? Call me guilty then.

[Bernie Sanders]

ITT: Bernie Sanders admits to being a white supremacist.

Now you are pushing the line of good taste. Chevy aka Chevrolet owners are great car/truck enthusiasts.

[riskllama]

pretty damning evidence, if u ask me...

[Bernie Sanders]

Would like to ask for a full amnesty from DoomYoshi and risklamma for my crimes against humanity. I am addicted to chevys and do not know how to quit my fascination with said products.



C'mon guys, it's not like I own a Volkswagen

[Bernie Sanders]

figures you'd pick the canadian chevy... cc... pretty close to SS... reported for being a multi.

Originally built in Flint, Michigan and St. Louis, Missouri, the Corvette is currently manufactured in Bowling Green, Kentucky and is the official sports car of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

[Dukasaur]

figures you'd pick the canadian chevy... cc... pretty close to SS... reported for being a multi.

Originally built in Flint, Michigan and St. Louis, Missouri, the Corvette is currently manufactured in Bowling Green, Kentucky and is the official sports car of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

Commonwealth, huh? Sounds like some Commie crap to me.

[thegreekdog]

Didn't Von Manstein lose? Or was he in a different war than the one I'm thinking of.

[ConfederateSS]

Didn't Von Manstein lose? Or was he in a different war than the one I'm thinking of.

------He kept Germany from losing the war in 1943. Gave General Zhukov an ass kicking. Was trying to find a way to a draw on the Eastern front. How was he rewarded. Hitler sacked him. Like all of his other great moves.
--------The West would seek out Von Manstein. After he served his prison trip for war. Because of his "Mobile Defense Strategy",and it's success against THE RED ARMY. So he could lead and write NATO's defense plan. Where he would be up against his old counterpart once again. Zhukov, now leader of the Warsaw pact forces. Who wrote a letter defending Von Manstein at his war crimes trail. A long with Churchill and Eisenhower.
--------The fact that the West won the cold war. Germany reunified in 1990. In 1991 the Warsaw Pact ended. As did the USSR. So in fact. Von Manstein won his fight with Zhukov and The USSR in the end. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

[GoranZ]

Didn't Von Manstein lose? Or was he in a different war than the one I'm thinking of.

------He kept Germany from losing the war in 1943. Gave General Zhukov an ass kicking. Was trying to find a way to a draw on the Eastern front. How was he rewarded. Hitler sacked him. Like all of his other great moves.
--------The West would seek out Von Manstein. After he served his prison trip for war. Because of his "Mobile Defense Strategy",and it's success against THE RED ARMY. So he could lead and write NATO's defense plan. Where he would be up against his old counterpart once again. Zhukov, now leader of the Warsaw pact forces. Who wrote a letter defending Von Manstein at his war crimes trail. A long with Churchill and Eisenhower.
--------The fact that the West won the cold war. Germany reunified in 1990. In 1991 the Warsaw Pact ended. As did the USSR. So in fact. Von Manstein won his fight with Zhukov and The USSR in the end. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

Actually he lost quite a lot of important battles vs Zhukov, including Battle of Stalingrad and Battle of Kursk. He was removed from service because of his failures. ConfederateSS.down!

[Dukasaur]

Didn't Von Manstein lose? Or was he in a different war than the one I'm thinking of.

------He kept Germany from losing the war in 1943. Gave General Zhukov an ass kicking. Was trying to find a way to a draw on the Eastern front. How was he rewarded. Hitler sacked him. Like all of his other great moves.
--------The West would seek out Von Manstein. After he served his prison trip for war. Because of his "Mobile Defense Strategy",and it's success against THE RED ARMY. So he could lead and write NATO's defense plan. Where he would be up against his old counterpart once again. Zhukov, now leader of the Warsaw pact forces. Who wrote a letter defending Von Manstein at his war crimes trail. A long with Churchill and Eisenhower.
--------The fact that the West won the cold war. Germany reunified in 1990. In 1991 the Warsaw Pact ended. As did the USSR. So in fact. Von Manstein won his fight with Zhukov and The USSR in the end. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

Actually he lost quite a lot of important battles vs Zhukov, including Battle of Stalingrad and Battle of Kursk. He was removed from service because of his failures. ConfederateSS.down!

The Stalingrad was a bit of an unfair jab. Manstein was still at Sevastopol when when the Stalingrad operation began. Exhausted from the reduction of Sevastopol, his army was sent to Stalingrad when the 6th was already trapped. It was too little, too late. There was no way they could have saved the situation. The only way the Germans could have saved Stalingrad would have been to withdraw Kleist from the Caucasus before Stalingrad began, and have his forces ready as a strategic reserve for Stalingrad.

At Kursk Manstein failed, of course, but so did all six of the other German commanders. Kursk was a general strategic failure. The German forces that were just starting to get back on their feet after the catastrophic losses of '42 were thrown into a hopeless battle. All the generals advised against going forward with the Kursk offensive, but Hitler in his insanity insisted, as usual, that they stick with the plan.

This was, of course, the problem that every German general eventually faced. Hitler's strategic stupidity would in the end result in defeat, no matter how brilliantly the local forces performed.

[ConfederateSS]

Didn't Von Manstein lose? Or was he in a different war than the one I'm thinking of.

------He kept Germany from losing the war in 1943. Gave General Zhukov an ass kicking. Was trying to find a way to a draw on the Eastern front. How was he rewarded. Hitler sacked him. Like all of his other great moves.
--------The West would seek out Von Manstein. After he served his prison trip for war. Because of his "Mobile Defense Strategy",and it's success against THE RED ARMY. So he could lead and write NATO's defense plan. Where he would be up against his old counterpart once again. Zhukov, now leader of the Warsaw pact forces. Who wrote a letter defending Von Manstein at his war crimes trail. A long with Churchill and Eisenhower.
--------The fact that the West won the cold war. Germany reunified in 1990. In 1991 the Warsaw Pact ended. As did the USSR. So in fact. Von Manstein won his fight with Zhukov and The USSR in the end. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

Actually he lost quite a lot of important battles vs Zhukov, including Battle of Stalingrad and Battle of Kursk. He was removed from service because of his failures. ConfederateSS.down!

-------That was before his mobile defense took place. Where he talked Hitler(who was running the army alone since Dec. 1941 after Moscow wasn't taken.) Into giving up land. For a counter strike. His plan worked perfectly. Hitler sacked Von Manstein, because Von Manstein argued with him in the war room on everything. I can't imagine why? Oh! wait yes I can. Germany started losing when Hitler took over. He never made a correct choice. Outside of 2.1)Letting Rommel run free in North Africa.2)The time he gave Von Manstein total control of the army in 1943 at Kharkov. What happened? Von Manstein loured Zhukov into a trap and smashed him. Both(Rommel and Von Manstein) who are in History's top 10 military tacticians. No Zhukie though. What is Conquer Club? Oh! Yeah,a war gaming site. ConfederateSS.out!UP!!!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

[ConfederateSS]

------You're sorta right Duk. Von Manstein wanted to attack Kursk. While he had the Russians on the run. But Hitler delayed the attacked for 2 months. To wait for the new Panther Tanks. Giving the Russians time to dig trenches. Lay mines. Set up all kinds of defenses in that sector. Surprise, Hitler's the world's/history's worst tactician. Using the word very,very poorly. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

[GoranZ]

Didn't Von Manstein lose? Or was he in a different war than the one I'm thinking of.

------He kept Germany from losing the war in 1943. Gave General Zhukov an ass kicking. Was trying to find a way to a draw on the Eastern front. How was he rewarded. Hitler sacked him. Like all of his other great moves.
--------The West would seek out Von Manstein. After he served his prison trip for war. Because of his "Mobile Defense Strategy",and it's success against THE RED ARMY. So he could lead and write NATO's defense plan. Where he would be up against his old counterpart once again. Zhukov, now leader of the Warsaw pact forces. Who wrote a letter defending Von Manstein at his war crimes trail. A long with Churchill and Eisenhower.
--------The fact that the West won the cold war. Germany reunified in 1990. In 1991 the Warsaw Pact ended. As did the USSR. So in fact. Von Manstein won his fight with Zhukov and The USSR in the end. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

Actually he lost quite a lot of important battles vs Zhukov, including Battle of Stalingrad and Battle of Kursk. He was removed from service because of his failures. ConfederateSS.down!

The Stalingrad was a bit of an unfair jab. Manstein was still at Sevastopol when when the Stalingrad operation began. Exhausted from the reduction of Sevastopol, his army was sent to Stalingrad when the 6th was already trapped. It was too little, too late. There was no way they could have saved the situation. The only way the Germans could have saved Stalingrad would have been to withdraw Kleist from the Caucasus before Stalingrad began, and have his forces ready as a strategic reserve for Stalingrad.

At Kursk Manstein failed, of course, but so did all six of the other German commanders. Kursk was a general strategic failure. The German forces that were just starting to get back on their feet after the catastrophic losses of '42 were thrown into a hopeless battle. All the generals advised against going forward with the Kursk offensive, but Hitler in his insanity insisted, as usual, that they stick with the plan.

This was, of course, the problem that every German general eventually faced. Hitler's strategic stupidity would in the end result in defeat, no matter how brilliantly the local forces performed.

He was defeated on multiple occasions, digging for excuses wont really work.

Didn't Von Manstein lose? Or was he in a different war than the one I'm thinking of.

------He kept Germany from losing the war in 1943. Gave General Zhukov an ass kicking. Was trying to find a way to a draw on the Eastern front. How was he rewarded. Hitler sacked him. Like all of his other great moves.
--------The West would seek out Von Manstein. After he served his prison trip for war. Because of his "Mobile Defense Strategy",and it's success against THE RED ARMY. So he could lead and write NATO's defense plan. Where he would be up against his old counterpart once again. Zhukov, now leader of the Warsaw pact forces. Who wrote a letter defending Von Manstein at his war crimes trail. A long with Churchill and Eisenhower.
--------The fact that the West won the cold war. Germany reunified in 1990. In 1991 the Warsaw Pact ended. As did the USSR. So in fact. Von Manstein won his fight with Zhukov and The USSR in the end. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

Actually he lost quite a lot of important battles vs Zhukov, including Battle of Stalingrad and Battle of Kursk. He was removed from service because of his failures. ConfederateSS.down!

-------That was before his mobile defense took place. Where he talked Hitler(who was running the army alone since Dec. 1941 after Moscow wasn't taken.) Into giving up land. For a counter strike. His plan worked perfectly. Hitler sacked Von Manstein, because Von Manstein argued with him in the war room on everything. I can't imagine why? Oh! wait yes I can. Germany started losing when Hitler took over. He never made a correct choice. Outside of 2.1)Letting Rommel run free in North Africa.2)The time he gave Von Manstein total control of the army in 1943 at Kharkov. What happened? Von Manstein loured Zhukov into a trap and smashed him. Both(Rommel and Von Manstein) who are in History's top 10 military tacticians. No Zhukie though. What is Conquer Club? Oh! Yeah,a war gaming site. ConfederateSS.out!UP!!!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

What are you talking about you filthy Nazi pig? Zhukov wasn't in command in Third Battle of Kharkov. ConfederateSS.down in shame!

[ConfederateSS]

------Zhukov was made Deputy Commander-in-Chief in August 1942. In January 1943 he was made Marshal of The Soviet Union. He was in charge of the planning and actions. From Stalingrad to Kursk(which were like one long campaign) to Berlin. He let his forces out run their supplies and become overextended. Chasing the retreating Germans of Army Group South. Allowing for the last great German victory on the Eastern front. Zhukov was running all over the place. Trying to be everywhere at once. Even after he planned Berlin. He was sent elsewhere by Stalin. Because he was to popular. Making Stalin nervous. But most historians considered Zhukov a good general,but not a great strategist. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).