Who ever heard of a Christian terrorist?

[jimboston]

and of course how love being a universal human right

1) I can't understand what "side" you're taking on this.

2) I'm not sure Love is a "Right".
-> That should be a new thread.

[PLAYER57832]

Ah dukasuar, juniper sossa, recently canonized read about him. A true terrorist in every sense of the definition you used.

Juniper Serra

Junipero Serra


Read the wikipedia article, saw no evidence of the alleged terrorism. Seems like a pious man who took seriously his vows of poverty and didn't give in to the temptations that high office brings. Often walked instead of riding, dressed in simple monk's garb, ate no fancy food, drank nothing stronger than wine, mortified his own flesh, had no sexual trysts.

There is allegation that he abused the natives under his control, but most serious scholars admit that, like most Catholic missionaries in New Spain, he worked hard at protecting the natives from the far more serious abuses that the military powers and the commercial exploiters would have unleashed on them if the monks weren't there to protect them. Life for the natives on the mission farms was hard, but much better than the slave status that they had on the farms of commercial landowners or the hunted animal status that they had when the army came to town.

This you need to understand, and it is repeated everywhere in New Spain as well as Brazil: The commercial landowners wanted to make absolute chattel slaves out of the natives. The army wanted to just hunt them like vermin and clear the land for white settlers. It was the missionaries who, often at the risk of their own lives, gave sanctuary to these natives and gave them a new lease on life.

Having grown up in CA, we learn a lot about the mixed history of the missions, including particularly Juniper Sierra. The truth is that the missionaries were products of their society. Much of the harm we now see was either not intended (disease, hunger, etc) or was not seen as harm (conversion to Christianity, loss of culture). Even things like beatings have to be taken into the context of the day. Whippings and such were common punishments, particularly at sea. That these things were true does not eradicate or diminish the harm, but it does change what our response must be.

At the same time, history is just not something that can be undone or redone. Many here act as if vengeance is some given right, that hatred is a proper response to all wrongs-- real and perceived. They want to take each harm as a banner or shield to justify anger, a demand for rights today. The thing is, if you do that, then you also have to rewrite the positives.

The truth is that the overwhelming majority of us, including many Native Americans, would simply not be here if these events had not occurred. At the most basic level, our parents would not have met and we would not have been born. The route to each of us is based on a long line of tenuous circumstance.

Without Juniper Sierra, it is possible that Native Americans would have continued in their lives as they had for hundreds, in some cases, thousands, of years. However, as said above, it is also quite possible that they would have been merely abused. We could easily have become just like or part of Mexico, have the poverty and turmoil of that country instead of the prosperity of CA and the western US.

From the Roman Catholic Church perspective (I am not Roman Catholic), He is honored because so many did become, have now become Roman Catholic. Roman Catholicism is strong today out west, in CA particularly because of those missions, because of the work of Juniper Sierra. CA would simply not be as it is without that influence. Its very easy to say it would be better, but that is rose-colored revisionism. An honest look says that all history is nuanced and varied. No history is completely pure, no matter what 1950 children's texts tried to say. However, it is our history and, good and bad, without it, we would simply be where we are. Only children think they can have sweats and no sour. As adults, we must recognize that humans make mistakes. Its ironic, but we often grow most from our mistakes.

[warmonger1981]

Hitler was never in the Thule Society but they were the ones that funded the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei in which later became the Nazi Party. Many of the top Thule members were also top Nazi's. Himmler was an occultist and if you believe that he didn't influence Hitler I would say your wrong. Why else would they believe the German race was superior?

[jgordon1111]

Lmao,Player as usual you intentionally missed the point. I brought that particular priest up in response to duk's definition of a terrorist and this topic, it fit.Btw go outside and tell a afican american person that slavery and all that went with it was good for them you daft kotze, guaranteed you won't do it, So don't ever think to tell me what was done was good for native Americans, that said only the winners get to write history. What is done can never be undone,all need to move forward. No hate mongering for religion, PLAYER do try in the future to know what you speak about,it will help make you seem less ignorant and less of a religious kotze

[Kevi]

Once upon a time there was a vicar and he was a good man and a kindly man. He'd always wanted to be a vicar for as long as he could remember, ever since he was a little boy. When he left school he went straight to vicar training college and became one of the youngest vicars ever. He prided himself on the good works which he did for his community and his parishioners knew, that in their hour of need he would be there for them day or night, rain or shine.

One day, having reached middle age, he went for a walk in the woods. Walking down the path he almost tripped over a frog and being a good man and a kindly man he immediately apologized and said "I'm sorry Mr Frog, I almost trod on you". The frog replied "That's alright vicar, you missed me and there's no harm done". The vicar was astonished - he said "MY GOD YOU CAN TALK!!!!!!!?". The frog replied "Well yes, of course I can talk. In fact I used to be a choirboy, but I was captured by the Wicked Witch and she turned me into a frog. She told me I'd have to stay as a frog until someone befriended me and took me home with them and was kind to me and let me sleep on their bed".

The vicar thought about this for a minute and being a good man and a kindly man, he concluded that he could see no harm in it and it could be his good deed for the day. So he did befriend the frog and he put in his pocket and took it home with him. He was kind to it that evening and when he went to bed he put it on the pillow next to him. When he awoke the next morning, lo and behold, the frog had indeed turned back into a choir boy.

That ladies and gentlemen is the case for the defense.

[Bernie Sanders]

Christian Terrorist

[notyou2]

I don't want to call all Christians terrorists. It's primarily the Catholic "religion" that concerns me. Their leaders have raped thousands of young boys and yet Obama allowed their head leader, Francis, to be wined and dined in the White House. Obama has not denounced the Catholics. He has been silent. So the question we need to ask is if the Catholic "religion" really is a peaceful religion or is it a rape cult?

Don't get me wrong, I think there are many "moderate" Catholics. My concern is that most of the "moderate" Catholics have been raped and so are probably wound-up on rape-juice (jizz) themselves. Plus, in the Catholic "religion," you have to swear to obey what the Leader says, even if he tells you to rape 4 year-old boys.

America's Founding Fathers had the courage to confront the Catholic desire for world conquest, why doesn't Obama? The First Continental Congress said:

“Nor can we suppress our astonishment that a British Parliament should ever consent to establish in that country [Quebec] a religion [Catholicism] that has deluged your island in blood, and dispersed impiety, bigotry, persecution, murder, and rebellion through every part of the world.”

Obama is silent because he's Kenyan and the largest single church in Kenya is the Catholic Church (23.3% of the population).

America's founders were not Catholics and America was founded, in part, in opposition to Catholicism. At the Cathedral of St. Peter in Philly there have been multiple ass blasts targeting young boys. OP - please start a poll so we can see if the Catholics should be allowed to stay in the U.S. or not.

There is something about Catholics. I live with one, and living with people is probably the best way to really get to know someone, for better or worse. That's all I'll say about that for now.

per Obama, yeah he's down with young boys too, he goes under the rainbow. I already pointed out that is why gay marriage will probably go down as the biggest 'change' that Obama did accomplish, for better or worse, and of course how love being a universal human right obviously does not only kick in when a human beings reaches 18 years of age. We heard it a million times.... Love is Love. So expect Obama to denounce Catholicism around the same time he denounces NAMBLA aka never!

I always knew you were different, now I realize how whacked you are.

[jgordon1111]

Sorry Duk, I erroneously aimed one of my posts to you. After taking another look it seems that sax, was the person whom I should have spoken to. So sax you can't seriously believe all Muslims are terrorists.

[Dukasaur]

Sorry Duk, I erroneously aimed one of my posts to you. After taking another look it seems that sax, was the person whom I should have spoken to. So sax you can't seriously believe all Muslims are terrorists.

Yeah, it's good to use the quote function, so that people know what you're responding to.

I thought that's what had happened but I wasn't sure.

[jgordon1111]

It has taken me a while to back track this but I knew of it appr, 20 yrs ago.if any of you are willing to read with an open mind go here it might open your eyes and explain many questions that are argued here, to those of you that accept the challenge, you might actually understand why I argue the way I do and say what I say. http://www.rense. com

[Dukasaur]

It has taken me a while to back track this but I knew of it appr, 20 yrs ago.if any of you are willing to read with an open mind go here it might open your eyes and explain many questions that are argued here, to those of you that accept the challenge, you might actually understand why I argue the way I do and say what I say. http://www.rene. com

That links to a Japanese clothing boutique.

[jgordon1111]

Duk look again was waiting to see if anyone cared to look, I fixed it. To those of you I offend, not my intent

[jgordon1111]

I forgot, while I do not agree with every piece of what is there, the written facts cannot be disputed, when I first came on this, it was a long time ago and verifying it was alot harder. There was no wiki or goggle or any easy just look it up. Now there is, easy peasy just a few minutes not months.

[saxitoxin]

So sax you can't seriously believe all terrorists.

[Dukasaur]

Duk look again was waiting to see if anyone cared to look, I fixed it. To those of you I offend, not my intent

Okay, looked at the site, don't see anything to be offended by, but totally unimpressed.

First there is a guy peddling scare stories about Fukushima radiation, with links to about a dozen articles that cite only other scaremongers and no neutral sources. Then there is one big link and several smaller links to Rense peddling snake-oil powdered algae to rid your body of the frightening radiation. I've got nothing against snake-oil salesmen. Everybody has a right to earn a living. If this is what you wanted us to see, I can go on and debunk the claims made about the algae, but I'm not sure if that's the part you want to show us, since it really isn't relevant to this thread. I'll abstain unless you ask.

Then there's a map of the "Islamic Terrorist Network in America". The source of the map is Steven Emerson, who has several times been caught either exaggerating or just plain lying about Islamic terrorists, so I'm not 100% sure that his map can be trusted. Even if the map is accurate, what is the relevance? It's not connected to any kind of thesis. What is it trying to prove? That there are jihadists in the U.S.? I'd be very surprised if there weren't. Without any evidence of what the map is trying to prove or disprove, it's just a pretty map.

Then there's a picture of Ron Paul. I get my hopes up, thinking this will be something interesting, but of course it isn't. It's just a link to the Stansberry Research website, with a scary interview with Ron Paul talking about the coming currency crash. I'd be frightened, if it wasn't for the fact that I already bought Harry Brown's How You can Profit From the Coming Currency Crisis in 1974. Harry Brown predicted the final collapse of the dollar would come in 1976, or 1977 at the very latest. 40 years later I'm still waiting. Now, there's no doubt that fiat currencies are basically federally-mandated Ponzi schemes, and they will eventually come crashing down, but so far the bankers have proven amazingly adept and finding new and creative ways to keep the scam going. The dollar will eventually crash, but it may not happen in our lifetime, so I'm about as frightened by it as I am by the Fukushima radiation.

Then there's an offer to listen to Rense's online radio station, for only $5.95 a month. So far, he's tried to frighten me about Fukushima, sell me some easily-debunked algae, frighten me about Jihadist networks (maybe the algea will protect against those, too?) and frighten me about Dollargeddon and sell me some of Stansberry's overprices investment newsletters. At this point I don't think I want to listen to his radio show for free, much less for pay.

Finally, there's an almost-random collection of links to news stories about today's hot-button issues. ISIS, Obama, Trump, etc. This section could be called "Trending Today" and what purpose it serves is unclear. Maybe because it links to some legitimate news sources, it's there to prop up the legitimacy of the rest of the site, but I could easily get these stories anywhere else, so I remain, yours truly, unimpressed.

[riskllama]

I believe all .

even the women? i had a lovely portugese woman for a babysitter when i was a wee llama. she was very kind. she'd make peanut butter and grape jelly sandwiches for me, or bologna, on wonder bread because my mom always bought whole wheat and Alzheera knew that i liked that. then, we'd watch "All My Children". after that, it was nap time. sure do miss her...

[muy_thaiguy]

So sax you can't seriously believe terrorists.

Where'd you get that?

I only believe all are pedophiles.

Coming from you? Can't say I'm surprised, grouping over 1 billion people together like that. We already know how feel about (you want to bomb them to the stone age every man, woman and child, even using nuclear weapons would probably be fine by you), so I can only guess what sort of thing you would want to happen to the world'

[jgordon1111]

No Duk, I already said I don't agree with everything there. That man is not the originator of what I wanted you to see, try key words world rule. Or pm me and I will tell you direct how I got there.none of that other stuff has to do with this topic and I skipped it.

[iAmCaffeine]

Your poll is incorrect. Catholicism =/= Christianity.

[Phatscotty]

I don't want to call all Christians terrorists. It's primarily the Catholic "religion" that concerns me. Their leaders have raped thousands of young boys and yet Obama allowed their head leader, Francis, to be wined and dined in the White House. Obama has not denounced the Catholics. He has been silent. So the question we need to ask is if the Catholic "religion" really is a peaceful religion or is it a rape cult?

Don't get me wrong, I think there are many "moderate" Catholics. My concern is that most of the "moderate" Catholics have been raped and so are probably wound-up on rape-juice (jizz) themselves. Plus, in the Catholic "religion," you have to swear to obey what the Leader says, even if he tells you to rape 4 year-old boys.

America's Founding Fathers had the courage to confront the Catholic desire for world conquest, why doesn't Obama? The First Continental Congress said:

“Nor can we suppress our astonishment that a British Parliament should ever consent to establish in that country [Quebec] a religion [Catholicism] that has deluged your island in blood, and dispersed impiety, bigotry, persecution, murder, and rebellion through every part of the world.”

Obama is silent because he's Kenyan and the largest single church in Kenya is the Catholic Church (23.3% of the population).

America's founders were not Catholics and America was founded, in part, in opposition to Catholicism. At the Cathedral of St. Peter in Philly there have been multiple ass blasts targeting young boys. OP - please start a poll so we can see if the Catholics should be allowed to stay in the U.S. or not.

There is something about Catholics. I live with one, and living with people is probably the best way to really get to know someone, for better or worse. That's all I'll say about that for now.

per Obama, yeah he's down with young boys too, he goes under the rainbow. I already pointed out that is why gay marriage will probably go down as the biggest 'change' that Obama did accomplish, for better or worse, and of course how love being a universal human right obviously does not only kick in when a human beings reaches 18 years of age. We heard it a million times.... Love is Love. So expect Obama to denounce Catholicism around the same time he denounces NAMBLA aka never!

I always knew you were different, now I realize how whacked you are.

you mean like demanding obediance and exceptance in reversing the duality of mother nature on the one hand, and then thinking I can control mother nature's temperature on the other hand?

Cuz then yeah, I would agree whoever thinks like that is a freakin whack job

[Phatscotty]

And there it is, what this is all about. Charmin soft triple ply bitches.

You only get into trouble for saying all Muslims are terrorists because Muslims stand up to the falsehoods and fight back. Nobody gets into trouble for saying anything similar about Catholics because Catholics do not stand up against falsehoods or fight back, they probably don't even say anything either. I might guess they think to themselves 'well, THEY are going to hell for sure!' and then walk away smiling

[mrswdk]

Your poll is incorrect. Catholicism =/= Christianity.

Never said it does.

[iAmCaffeine]

Your poll is incorrect. Catholicism =/= Christianity.

Never said it does.

The implications are there.