[Beginner] Straight Mafia - TOWN WINS

[Streaker]

Don't make me repeat Epi's words, about unvoting before voting again...

[madmitch]

Sorry UNVOTE VOTE TIM

[AladdinSane]

A thought about the anti-Tim movement which is currently gaining momentum:

I've been thinking about who the Cop would have been likely to have investigated during N1, and the result. The vote at the end of D1 looked like this:

Tim - Soldier, whiterose, IB, mitch (L-2)
Soldier - Patrick, Aladdin, Tim, bos, whiterose*, risky (LYNCH)

I think if I was the cop, I would have investigated Tim, since he was the only guy to get votes apart from the guy who got lynched. If the Cop found Tim was scum, we would expect him/her to be going hard against Tim from the start of D2, to as to get him lynched. Yet we haven't seen that: Streaker and Mitch were on DJP today before switching to Tim, and RB has just recently voted Tim. To me, this is slightly suggestive of Tim's innocence.

Of course, the Cop could have investigated someone else, such as SJP or Mitch, but again we would expect him/her to go after someone hard from the start of D2 if they uncovered scum, and to stick to the attack. We haven't seen that, so it makes me think the Cop investigated a Town. Having investigated a Town, they only need act on D2 if they see the vote going toward lynching that Town. So, if someone gets closed to being lynched and someone else credible comes to their strong defense, that might be what is happening.

[AladdinSane]

*DJP

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

Patrick - whiterose
Streaker - Patrick
mitch - risky, Tim
Tim - Streaker, mitch

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline: 9:00 CCT on Monday, November 23.

[Streaker]

Aladdin, too much 'what if's' (WIFOM) in that post.
If cop found scum, he would (should) have claimed that already. Because this didn't happen, it's safe to assume cop investigated a town. I follow you on this part.

However, a good cop would investigate someone the least likely to get investigated, or someone who didn't stand out. It's there that the good cop catches are to be found.

How are our votes on Tim giving you a more townie vibe on Tim? This would suggest you read the bunch of us as scum?

[AladdinSane]

I was inactive for the second part of last week, even missed a couple turns. I think I stated it in the game I am modding, as well. Personal reasons, moving and such.

I have to admit this is bothering me slightly. Streaker says he was moving, and people nearly always know ahead of time that they will be moving. Yet Streaker didn't vote ahead of his moving day, as a precaution against not having time to do it later, despite knowing that if we didn't reach consensus he would be modkilled for not voting. On the other hand, he did find the time to state his likely absence in the game he was modding, so Mafia was clearly on his mind, he didn't just forget about it temporarily.

So, Streaker, I think we need to hear why you apparently took the enormous risk of not voting on D1, despite having been on Solder's case to claim as late as five votes on him. I suggest that you weren't in fact taking that risk; rather, you were checking in regularly to see if the lynch consensus had been reached, and you would have voted had the deadline got too close without consensus being reached. The fact that consensus to lynch Soldier was reached without your help was convenient to you because it enabled you to keep your hands clean in the lynching of a Town.

[AladdinSane]

However, a good cop would investigate someone the least likely to get investigated, or someone who didn't stand out. It's there that the good cop catches are to be found.

How are our votes on Tim giving you a more townie vibe on Tim? This would suggest you read the bunch of us as scum?

That first point you make is interesting, in that the cop might indeed have investigated a person who look unlikely to be investigated, and found him/her to be Town. They might even have strongly indictated who this person is. I have some thoughts about this but I don't want to make it easier for scum to identify PRs, so I'll keep it to myself. I have dropped a hint, however.

Your votes on Tim don't in themselves give me a more Townie vibe on Tim. Rather, I am saying that if the Cop investigated Tim and found him scum, we would expect the Cop to just outright say it, or lead a charge against TIm from the outset of D2. It is because these haven't happened that gives me a more Town vibe on Tim. Slightly more Town, I should emphasize.

[the white rose]

Striker makes a persuasive case against tim, but then so does rizky against mitch.

For the moment though i am leaving my vote on patrick, not so much cos of the case streaker made but the reaction it got from patrick. He continues to ignore my question.....I want him to tell us is he claiming doc or is he now denying it?

Either way its important that the real doc if its not patrick does not claim. i consider doc just as important as cop. But like i said before, i have doubts that there is a doc, think we may have got a backup cop instead.

I really want a proper claim from patrick

[bosaardbeitje]

Guys, I am really sick at the moment. I will post as soon as the meds kick in.

[Streaker]

I was inactive for the second part of last week, even missed a couple turns. I think I stated it in the game I am modding, as well. Personal reasons, moving and such.

I have to admit this is bothering me slightly. Streaker says he was moving, and people nearly always know ahead of time that they will be moving. Yet Streaker didn't vote ahead of his moving day, as a precaution against not having time to do it later, despite knowing that if we didn't reach consensus he would be modkilled for not voting. On the other hand, he did find the time to state his likely absence in the game he was modding, so Mafia was clearly on his mind, he didn't just forget about it temporarily.

So, Streaker, I think we need to hear why you apparently took the enormous risk of not voting on D1, despite having been on Solder's case to claim as late as five votes on him. I suggest that you weren't in fact taking that risk; rather, you were checking in regularly to see if the lynch consensus had been reached, and you would have voted had the deadline got too close without consensus being reached. The fact that consensus to lynch Soldier was reached without your help was convenient to you because it enabled you to keep your hands clean in the lynching of a Town.

It takes 10 seconds to write that I won't be there to vote count, it has bigger consequences to random vote without reading here. Also, it was NOT planned in advance. Shedule moved up due to circumstances, and I have not yet actually moved. If you like to know, most of my time was spent on the floor. Why are you attacking my absence? Do you think I would miss turns just so I could lay low here?

[Streaker]

Striker makes a persuasive case against tim, but then so does rizky against mitch.

For the moment though i am leaving my vote on patrick, not so much cos of the case streaker made but the reaction it got from patrick. He continues to ignore my question.....I want him to tell us is he claiming doc or is he now denying it?

Either way its important that the real doc if its not patrick does not claim. i consider doc just as important as cop. But like i said before, i have doubts that there is a doc, think we may have got a backup cop instead.

I really want a proper claim from patrick

Isn't it interesting how DJ is inactive D1, gets super active when I call him out, and when I turn attention a little away from him he goes back to inactive. I really don't know what to make of him.

[TimWoodbury]

okay so i did a very brief read tonight heres what im thinking and what i was thinking yesteday (real life not d1) mitch you seemed kind of fast to think that my vvote on you D1 was a serious vote even after i had said at least twice it was a joke vote. so what did you do you jsut OMGUS voted me, here starting D2 you jump right out and more or less say soldier was town so i must be skum so your keeping vote on me. (i think the joke vote on you made you nervous why was you so nervous and quick to jump at me)
vote mitch

I don't like this post one bit, especially after this one:

i honestly dont know i gotta go through and o a reread i think friday is my day off so will be when i do my full reread though when i do full reread ill be able to show where to me i thought soldier was wanting to get out of the joke vote stage and sort as well

It's such a weak case on mitch to make, ignoring several statements by others and not following up on soldier as he said.
At this point I don't want to lynch DJ today, so Unvote. I feel a better candidate is popping up for today, I will post this my thoughts on this in my next post. DJ seemed more genuine with his latest posts, and Aladdin made me reconsider the risk of potentially lynching the doc at this point. IF dj is genuine on his doc claim, there is no way he'll survive the night so it's a wasted lynch.

i did a brief read last night today is going to e my full read of witch i will be done soon as i am done responding to posts since last night

[TimWoodbury]

However, a good cop would investigate someone the least likely to get investigated, or someone who didn't stand out. It's there that the good cop catches are to be found.

How are our votes on Tim giving you a more townie vibe on Tim? This would suggest you read the bunch of us as scum?

That first point you make is interesting, in that the cop might indeed have investigated a person who look unlikely to be investigated, and found him/her to be Town. They might even have strongly indictated who this person is. I have some thoughts about this but I don't want to make it easier for scum to identify PRs, so I'll keep it to myself. I have dropped a hint, however.

Your votes on Tim don't in themselves give me a more Townie vibe on Tim. Rather, I am saying that if the Cop investigated Tim and found him scum, we would expect the Cop to just outright say it, or lead a charge against TIm from the outset of D2. It is because these haven't happened that gives me a more Town vibe on Tim. Slightly more Town, I should emphasize.

i starting to get a feeling aladain knows more about me then he is saying with how hes defending me. there is only 3 MAYBE 4 people who would know my allignment
1)skum #1
2)skum #2
3)me
4)possable cop investigated me

i cant imagine that if aladin was skum that he would e defending me he would be jumping like crazy throwing a lynch to make me L-1 and he obviously aint me so i think hes more or less soft claiming snail mailing that hes cop and investigated me and came up town.

[TimWoodbury]

whoops, missed the middle bit out

vote mitch

there that is better

think TWR's vote was a joke vote but it put mitch at 3 votes and at L-3 only hours from the game starting, mitch reacted calmly knowing it was only the st day of the game and smart skum wouldnt fast lynch in the joke vote stage

I say we vote up one of the ones who want mitch dead, I bet at least one of those awful 3 are mafia

what made you so eager to get out of the joke vote stage?

i thought he was eager to get out of the jokke vote stage because he was jumping the gun saying that 1 of us 3 had to be skum it felt more serious then just joking(i do agree that either TWR or bos is possibly skum im leaning towards twr)

dID two ppps already contact me to telll me what to put on my first post? Am I the best hope Townies have to stay alive during their nights?,,,just being a noob doesn't mean I'm dead on my feet before the first vote...I'm one more for Hyprocites than Hyberbolies (spl?)...other Hypocrites pls refrain!!!

DJ hints veryyy early on that hes doc

As long as it's not me being lynched, I'm cool with whatever. But seriously, I'm really not at all sure about lynching on day 1. Having said that, this is my first game and I have no idea what I am talking about.

anyone but me not much team player though at the end of D1 i said more or less the same, i think this was also aladdin dropping snailmail hint he may be PR

really finding your posts more and more difficult to understand.....even if you are town, you are not much use to us if we cannot understand you.....therefore vote tim

happy now mitch?

twr jumps from mitch to me simply beause my posts have bad english so its bad for town?

most d1 was back and foth between me andd soldier so nothing really interesting


DJ your claiming doc may we know who you choose to protect N1 and why you choose that person?

DJ seemed very hessitant to answer questions of why he soft laimed and then later claimed un pressured

so heres my thinking so far

DJ=confused doc not shure what to do=TOWN
alladian=town
boss=town
mitch=neutral
twr=skum partner
streak=neutral
rizky=final town

twr ur on the going back to d1 where u jumped and vote mitch super early and then unvote me "because my typing sucks"
streak and mitch u guys i got as middle not shure of

[bosaardbeitje]

DJ is new still hard to read, don't like his docter claim and how he lived the night and why he did not protect anyone.

Mitch, please explain how DJ didn't protect anyone during the night? Maybe he did, but it wasn't IB, you don't know that, so what are you saying?

Striker makes a persuasive case against tim, but then so does rizky against mitch.

For the moment though i am leaving my vote on patrick, not so much cos of the case streaker made but the reaction it got from patrick. He continues to ignore my question.....I want him to tell us is he claiming doc or is he now denying it?

Either way its important that the real doc if its not patrick does not claim. i consider doc just as important as cop. But like i said before, i have doubts that there is a doc, think we may have got a backup cop instead.

I really want a proper claim from patrick

And I want to know why it matters. TWR I am getting more and more suspicious of you, so I need you to explain to me very clearly how it helps us to get a claim out of DJ.

DJ your claiming doc may we know who you choose to protect N1 and why you choose that person?
DJ seemed very hessitant to answer questions of why he soft laimed and then later claimed un pressured

Same question as above. Why does it matter?

I really don't like all the Rolefishing going on in here. If you want DJ to share information with us, then you need to explain to us how it is going to be helpful. And Tim, out of all persons, you are suspicious of a new player who may or may not have claimed on day 1???

My main suspects at the moment are TWR and Tim, because they keep trying to get more information out of DJ.

@ DJ We really need new thoughts from you. I am not going to vote you for your reluctance to give information or your defensiveness, I will consider to vote you if we don't get more input from you.

[TimWoodbury]

@boss DJ sid he claimed (he said there was a hit as to his role) and we found the hint were wantig to know if he was claiming doc as we all picked the same post out as to his hint and wanna know if we are overlooking something

[madmitch]

@ Bos I am not completely sure if he tried to protect anyone or not,but all I know that if it was me I would have said something like shit I protected the wrong person or something like that

[DJPatrick]

No I didn't post WHO I protected but I obviously DID protect the wrong person...so much so that I now suspect the one I protected IS scum...however there is so much obsfucation going back and forth in these posts that I have conflicting reads on three players are currently with votes against them...Streaker is one of those reads but not the strongest...it appears I have already voted wrong on day one AND broke some unwritten law/game collective knowledge by claiming early, I will leave my vote D2 on Streaker and will wait until just before nightfall, if needed, to unvote and revote.
Why haven't I been more active since the vote has seemed to move away from my imminent doom? Well, as everything I posted seemed to sway pps towards me and the duration of my recent silence has seemed to have those I suspect coming more to the fore then why should I speak up...Oh and I work Mon to Fri x 12 hour shifts...as it's now the weekend (Sat morn) I posted and will have more time to cogitate!!!
Chz DJP MD HA HA

[the white rose]

ok, that seems a definite claim by DJ now.

I am not going to risk lynching DJ in case his claim is true.

unvote

but i am still suspicious of him

[madmitch]

*DJP

Sounds like your claiming cop and you investigated DJP and since you are not attacking him he must be town

[rizky_biznezz]

mitch may have been calm but it looks like he was still a bit worried:

I wish it was that easy, the game just started and I already two votes against me hopefully they are joke votes but they can turn into real votes easily

then as soon as the chance to vote someone else comes up he jumps on it... with no explanation:

Good than I will not feel bad doing this VOTE TIM

later he explains why he went for tim:

@ Rizky , I voted for Tim because he went right after me because of my first post. granted it was more serious than I usually post but I wanted to try something different. I thought Tims vote was just a joke vote but it was not so I thought then okay tit for tat that is why I voted for him

tim wasnt the first to vote him so he really should have been voting bos if that was his excuse... but bos had no votes on her.. tim did

[rizky_biznezz]

also the fact that mitch was so worried that tim hadn't removed his vote from him and mentioned it several times doesn't really seem overly calm....

looks like your fishing a bit there too mitch... we shouldnt really be discussing the cop guess its too late now.. but looks like you are hoping aladdin will come back and respond to your post giving you info as to if he is the cop or not... something that would be useful for scum but town was trying to keep quiet...

bos and rose im not seeing anything as overly suspicious so leaning town...

im still unsure of DJ so i think tim and rose were genuinely trying to decide... Tim was more suspicious of streaker during the case so he could have easily jumped on the DJ vote if he was scum trying to get rid of the doc.. also tim was pushing soldier to claim and make some sort of a case to save himself as though he might have unvoted too if soldier had of tried...

[rizky_biznezz]

A thought about the anti-Tim movement which is currently gaining momentum:

I've been thinking about who the Cop would have been likely to have investigated during N1, and the result. The vote at the end of D1 looked like this:

Tim - Soldier, whiterose, IB, mitch (L-2)
Soldier - Patrick, Aladdin, Tim, bos, whiterose*, risky (LYNCH)

I think if I was the cop, I would have investigated Tim, since he was the only guy to get votes apart from the guy who got lynched. If the Cop found Tim was scum, we would expect him/her to be going hard against Tim from the start of D2, to as to get him lynched. Yet we haven't seen that: Streaker and Mitch were on DJP today before switching to Tim, and RB has just recently voted Tim. To me, this is slightly suggestive of Tim's innocence.

Of course, the Cop could have investigated someone else, such as SJP or Mitch, but again we would expect him/her to go after someone hard from the start of D2 if they uncovered scum, and to stick to the attack. We haven't seen that, so it makes me think the Cop investigated a Town. Having investigated a Town, they only need act on D2 if they see the vote going toward lynching that Town. So, if someone gets closed to being lynched and someone else credible comes to their strong defense, that might be what is happening.

may have just been a mistake but im voting mitch not tim aladdin

[AladdinSane]

It takes 10 seconds to write that I won't be there to vote count, it has bigger consequences to random vote without reading here. Also, it was NOT planned in advance. Shedule moved up due to circumstances, and I have not yet actually moved. If you like to know, most of my time was spent on the floor. Why are you attacking my absence? Do you think I would miss turns just so I could lay low here?

It wouldn't have been a random vote - you were on Soldier's case at the time. Why am I attacking your absence? because absences seem to be grounds for attack in this game, from what I can see. Making claims about what is happening IRL is all very well, but they are unverifiable. As for checking if you missed turns, I really don't have time to do that. Now you say you didn't actually move - why didn't you mention that when I first questioned you about your absence?

I don't think I am going to vote you this round, but I hope the cop investigates you on N2.