[Exp] CYOC! #4 Endgame! Town wins, you filthy animals

[benga]

Nice to hear from you PCM, your post was insightful I also agree with you about Mets post that is why I did not unvote him yet. Dakky is just being Dakky , I played with him in a few games and he can get under your skin , but I also believed he soft claimed by mistake and wants to back paddle and start again.

what's your case on Mets?

unvote

[madmitch]

@ benga I voted for Mets because we did not hear from him and I wanted to get a reaction, he finally posted that he was scummering and then he was quiet and the he came back with this huge post which just basically said every thing we all ready knew. but now with I.B. eager vote to get rid of Endgame a third party player ,I FIND I.B. more scummier so UNVOTE VOTE I. B.

[Streaker]

I need to point out here the game of Harry Potter. Storrzerg did a comparable play, where he claimed 3rd party (and in the end, confirmed third party). While it gives mafia a free kill at night, it does guarantee that a non-town alligned player is lynched. Storrzerg played the town game from day 1 all the way until the very end, where he switched sides and was decisive in mafia victory.

Third party does not equal town alligned. I believe he will do his best for town, until such time as a better opportunity presents itself for him to win the game.
I don't think I want to lynch him now, because we have better odds of lynching scum now then before. Just think it's a bad idea having him around until endgame (lol eh) because it's a liability to town.

[madmitch]

I agree , we will half to keep an eye on him

[Iron Butterfly]

So to the folks voting me, tell me again how a role that causes "disaster" is helpful to Town? Can you tell me specifically what he does? A third party role that has the potential to kill several players helps who?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

So to the folks voting me, tell me again how a role that causes "disaster" is helpful to Town? Can you tell me specifically what he does? A third party role that has the potential to kill several players helps who?

I assume your role has the power to kill everyone in the game. That cant possibly help town.

Stop assuming. Any negative effect has proprotionally equal chance of affecting town and mafia early in the game when reads are difficult, so we can wait and see.

Did Strikewolf nuclear explosion negatively affect town? It killed two mafia. Or to put it differently 25% of those killed were mafia. This is in a game where 21% of players were mafia. So to answer your question with its assumption flaw included; Killing several players at once is exceedingly good vaue to town.

[madmitch]

I understand what you are saying I.B. but my point of view why do you want to hang a third party? it sounds like you do not want take a chance on hanging scum,also I would like to see the night action result from the moth man even if there is some punishment

[Iron Butterfly]

So to the folks voting me, tell me again how a role that causes "disaster" is helpful to Town? Can you tell me specifically what he does? A third party role that has the potential to kill several players helps who?

I assume your role has the power to kill everyone in the game. That cant possibly help town.

Stop assuming. Any negative effect has proprotionally equal chance of affecting town and mafia early in the game when reads are difficult, so we can wait and see.

Did Strikewolf nuclear explosion negatively affect town? It killed two mafia. Or to put it differently 25% of those killed were mafia. This is in a game where 21% of players were mafia. So to answer your question with its assumption flaw included; Killing several players at once is exceedingly good vaue to town.

First we got lucky with that game. I could have just as easily been on that lynch. We won because of the over powered nature of my role. I could not be lynched and could redirect the lynch. Your comparison has absolutely NO bearing on this game. People were killed because they were on his wagon. It had nothing to do with Strike.

The FACT is he Endgame is a survivor. He wins no matter who dies.
The Fact is "disaster" is not good. Explain how disaster is good for Town?
The Fact is He can not explain his role and it's implications yet disaster is used in his role description?
The example of Mass death on the Bridge makes me assume a TON and what little he has told us does not bode well. One Town death at the hands of his action is to many. Several Town deaths could be disaster.

Tell me Wing ...What exactly about the word disaster should I not make assumptions about?

This is also a CYOC. You speak as if everything balances itself out role wise. He is not just a third party Survivor. He is third party that has the potential to help mafia by killing Town or adding negative effects. Granted he may be able to kill/negatively effect mafia but there is a way bigger chance Town will get targeted.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Tell me Wing ...What exactly about the word disaster should I not make assumptions about?

Keep diggin IB.

Disaster to mafia aligned players is salvation for town. Disaster to town aligned players is salvation for mafia. Why are you assuming only the latter? A 3rd party player will be lynched if they favour mafia, so they have to walk a difficult line to avoid being a burden or significant benefit to town.

If You had been on Strikes lynch instead of me, his other town read, then my overpowered role would have won the game. I could revive players. So yes the comparison is very appropriate.

It matters less what roles people have, than how they choose to play them.

To those who suggest that Storr was crucial to mafias victory in HP, he wasnt. Mafia had already won when he chose their side. Mafia would have won two days early if he had been lynched D1. (If you include the mafia player he caught and pushed a lynch on).

So I suggest we see how Endgame plays his role.

[madmitch]

well said

[pancakemix]

Pancake i claimed now because i know that this group of players would not have eased off if i claimed under pressure and my last game as 3rd party i lied and pretended to be town and got lynched at what turned out to be Lylo losing the game for both town and myself.
So the only option from my POV was to claim,explain myself as much as i can given my odd role and hope for the best.
To HS/IB lynching me is like pushing through a no lynch,zero chance of hitting scum.
You wont hit town admittedly if you go for me but you learn very little off of my lynch and give scum a free night basically.
Im more valuable to town as an honest opinion/vote that costs you nothing then as a corpse that costs you a day/night cycle.
FPd by tim

So it was selfish. Got it.

Vote IB

Lynching 3rd Party gives a free nightkill to mafia. IB knows this, yet is pursueing the easiest non-mafia lynch in the game.

Until Endgame claimed, all IB's posts had been attacking Dakky for his terrible play. These in themselves have no alignment indication.

However, taken all together, we have a player who is avoiding commiting to anything and trying to get the easiest targets lynched.

You MAY have had some credibility and reason to be saved if we had witnessed first hand what exactly it is that you do

Yes, so why not wait till D2 and we know what the side effects are? Because then who will be the easy target to lynch D1? My bad, scumhunting is too difficult for you clearly.

That only holds if Endgame is telling the truth. Now, do we have reason to believe he's lying? I don't think so. But it's something we have to bear in mind. And while I'm not advocating an Endgame lych, I'd shy against considering the benefit of the doubt a free pass.

@ benga I voted for Mets because we did not hear from him and I wanted to get a reaction, he finally posted that he was scummering and then he was quiet and the he came back with this huge post which just basically said every thing we all ready knew. but now with I.B. eager vote to get rid of Endgame a third party player ,I FIND I.B. more scummier so UNVOTE VOTE I. B.

This is a very parroty post. There is nothing new under the sun, it seems. I mostly just want to point it out because it doesn't add much and reeks of flying under the radar.

I need to point out here the game of Harry Potter. Storrzerg did a comparable play, where he claimed 3rd party (and in the end, confirmed third party). While it gives mafia a free kill at night, it does guarantee that a non-town alligned player is lynched. Storrzerg played the town game from day 1 all the way until the very end, where he switched sides and was decisive in mafia victory.

Third party does not equal town alligned. I believe he will do his best for town, until such time as a better opportunity presents itself for him to win the game.
I don't think I want to lynch him now, because we have better odds of lynching scum now then before. Just think it's a bad idea having him around until endgame (lol eh) because it's a liability to town.

Case in point. That's a detail to the Storr thing I wasn't privy to. Makes it curious why Endgame is citing it as a good reason to do what he did, and questionable why town should trust him...

=D> well said

And again. If you have nothing worth saying, stay quiet until you do. I have very little patience for fluff posts like this.

[Marashu]

I don't agree that IB wanting to lynch End is scummy. I don't think it's the right play, but I don't think it's scummy. I can understand him wanting to eliminate a non-town aligned player (who may or may not be anti-town - the "disaster" might be his way of explaining an SK kill), but early game it is normally in a 3P's best interest to work with town, so I don't want to lynch End today. If IB were scum, I don't think he would be raising such a stink about this.

I do believe End is non-town, at the very least. It explains why I feel he hasn't been pushing as hard as he could have been for scumhunting (asking me to back up one of my early reads, and backing down after a short answer without pushing harder). That said, End, you say you'd rather help town, so why not give us some reads?

I liked Mets' post. I also want to hear ptlowe's defense about Streaker's post against him.

FP'd by PancakeMix. As was said, by the time Storr jumped ship, town had already lost and the game on that day was just continuing to see whether Storr was the one to get killed that day (town and mafia had the same number, mafia had 2 night kills that night, and Storr was the swing vote - mafia said they'd let him live if he voted with them that day). As for mitch, most of his posts are fluff and flavourful - he's been getting better at offering reads and asking questions, but he still has a very erratic playstyle.

[madmitch]

@pcm you have no right and very little sense to tell me to be quiet,who the hell do you think you are? you really piss me off with your holier than thou attitude so back off

[pancakemix]

@pcm you have no right and very little sense to tell me to be quiet,who the hell do you think you are? you really piss me off with your holier than thou attitude so back off

I'm not saying don't speak, I'm saying speak with purpose. I may have been brusque in my saying so, and I apologize for that. It still stands that'd prefer you offer your own thoughts rather than weakly repeat those of others.

[madmitch]

@pcm thankyou and I am sorry I lost my temper, just a bad dayand you are right I will try to post better remarks

[madmitch]

I was reading up on third party roles trying to find one close to Ends role.the only ones that I can see that even comes close are the inquisitor and the mentor is there any other role that come close ,what do think guys or can you explain your role better Endgame











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[strike wolf]

Madmitch stands out for being mimicry as pCM says but I always find him difficult to read because he can be erratic. The fact that IB is not suggesting any type of scum hilunting stands out to me more than trying to lynch third party. He's better than that and right now he would be my choice for lymch.

As wing said. Storrs didn't decide HP in mafia s favor, town lost that game. I know because we lost in part to my mistakes and inability to press an aage lynch when I was becoming increasingly certain he was scum.

[Iron Butterfly]

Madmitch stands out for being mimicry as pCM says but I always find him difficult to read because he can be erratic. The fact that IB is not suggesting any type of scum hilunting stands out to me more than trying to lynch third party. He's better than that and right now he would be my choice for lymch.

As wing said. Storrs didn't decide HP in mafia s favor, town lost that game. I know because we lost in part to my mistakes and inability to press an aage lynch when I was becoming increasingly certain he was scum.

I did not suggest not to scum hunt so do not start projecting that BS on me. Scum hunting is always a given. I am also tired of people talking about older games like it proves or means something. It proves absolutely nothing. Especially in a CYOC where traditional roles are out the window.

You and I also have a different idea of scum hunting. I at least follow through on my beliefs.

[strike wolf]

Madmitch stands out for being mimicry as pCM says but I always find him difficult to read because he can be erratic. The fact that IB is not suggesting any type of scum hilunting stands out to me more than trying to lynch third party. He's better than that and right now he would be my choice for lymch.

As wing said. Storrs didn't decide HP in mafia s favor, town lost that game. I know because we lost in part to my mistakes and inability to press an aage lynch when I was becoming increasingly certain he was scum.

I did not suggest not to scum hunt so do not start projecting that BS on me. Scum hunting is always a given. I am also tired of people talking about older games like it proves or means something. It proves absolutely nothing. Especially in a CYOC where traditional roles are out the window.

You and I also have a different idea of scum hunting. I at least follow through on my beliefs.

Sorry i mispoke. I meant tjat you arent scum hunting. Which you arent. Your last 3 or 4 were aimed at solely at lynching Endgame with no suggestion that End might be scum. No going after anyone else as scummy. You can suggest that scum hunting is a given but you are steering discussion away from scum hunting by pushing a lynch on someone you apparently believe is third party. That is why you are scummy.

Was that second part designed as an insult?

[Endgame422]

Ask and you shall receive mars
First off i dont see IBs reaction as scummy,before i claimed,i thought,"who will definetly call for my lynch"and IB immediately came to mind.
He usually pushes a case on me anyway and had already made with his "you always sound like scum" comment so i expected a case from him anyways.
Ill leave IB as undecided rather then scum as pushing me/dakky doesn't really suggest town either.
Also wings case on IB seems like a strange move in the event that wing were scum as i doubt such a lynch will actually go through so id guess town for wing.
Mitch wagoning this early sets off a bell in my head. Unsure how to read his harsh reaction to PCMs little push there,and him inviting me to visit him but strange even for mitch.
Hotshot,i would like more from him for sure especially regarding wings case on IB.
Dakky has responded to pressure by pulling back hoping to survive.
Dakky strikes me as scum but i honestly think that alot even when he is town.
Dakky you suggested id be lynched for claiming,do you think i should be lynched?
Tim is laying really low,not one of his posts comes to mind this game and that leads me to guess scummarining.
Im reading strike/pancake as town although i have no case to make really.
Streaker suggesting how pivotal storr was to scum in HP mafia seems a kinda weak attempt to paint me a villain because i dont think that was a fact as several have pointed out. Id guess scum for streaker.
So scum guesses=tim,streaker,dakky?
Town=Wing,strike,PCM
Unvote
Vote Tim
Its still early but thats where im at right now.
FPd by strike

[dakky21]

Dakky has responded to pressure by pulling back hoping to survive.
Dakky strikes me as scum but i honestly think that alot even when he is town.
Dakky you suggested id be lynched for claiming,do you think i should be lynched?
....
So scum guesses=tim,streaker,dakky?
Town=Wing,strike,PCM

So let me try to answer you this way:
1. I did not pull back, I thought you accepted my role. I am sure we have a town cop, so he/she can investigate me tonight. If I flip town, I'll be dead N2. If I flip mafia, I'll be dead Day 2. Simple as that.
2. I don't like unpressurized claims, because as said before, even if you were telling the truth, you gave mafia one target not to go for. If you're mafia, and the cop is mafia, I'll end dead anyway, so your plan is quite good.
3. Yes, I think you should be lynched, but didn't cast my vote yet to prevent hammers. With Tim and mitch in game, you never know.

My scum guesses are: wolf, streaker & you (+mitch unreadable)
Main Town reads: ptlowe (though overly silent) and possibly IB... others unreadable so far.

If the D1 ended today, I'd probably go for a kill on you, but let's discuss more.

[TimWoodbury]

Ask and you shall receive mars
First off i dont see IBs reaction as scummy,before i claimed,i thought,"who will definetly call for my lynch"and IB immediately came to mind.
He usually pushes a case on me anyway and had already made with his "you always sound like scum" comment so i expected a case from him anyways.
Ill leave IB as undecided rather then scum as pushing me/dakky doesn't really suggest town either.
Also wings case on IB seems like a strange move in the event that wing were scum as i doubt such a lynch will actually go through so id guess town for wing.
Mitch wagoning this early sets off a bell in my head. Unsure how to read his harsh reaction to PCMs little push there,and him inviting me to visit him but strange even for mitch.
Hotshot,i would like more from him for sure especially regarding wings case on IB.
Dakky has responded to pressure by pulling back hoping to survive.
Dakky strikes me as scum but i honestly think that alot even when he is town.
Dakky you suggested id be lynched for claiming,do you think i should be lynched?
Tim is laying really low,not one of his posts comes to mind this game and that leads me to guess scummarining.
Im reading strike/pancake as town although i have no case to make really.
Streaker suggesting how pivotal storr was to scum in HP mafia seems a kinda weak attempt to paint me a villain because i dont think that was a fact as several have pointed out. Id guess scum for streaker.
So scum guesses=tim,streaker,dakky?
Town=Wing,strike,PCM
Unvote
Vote Tim
Its still early but thats where im at right now.
FPd by strike

like i said been super busy with work that and i got the new Call of duty black ops 3 game. tomarrow is day off will read and make some input

[Endgame422]

1. You pulled back by saying you might have lied about your claim,how can we accept it when you yourself dispute it?
2. From the person who softclaimed vig basically immediately saying you dont like un-pressured claims is a bit hypocritical,dont you think?
3.Im at L-7 now was at L-8 when i claimed, unless mitch and tim are both quadruple voters i dont believe a hammer was your concern.

[TimWoodbury]

Dakky has responded to pressure by pulling back hoping to survive.
Dakky strikes me as scum but i honestly think that alot even when he is town.
Dakky you suggested id be lynched for claiming,do you think i should be lynched?
....
So scum guesses=tim,streaker,dakky?
Town=Wing,strike,PCM

So let me try to answer you this way:
1. I did not pull back, I thought you accepted my role. I am sure we have a town cop, so he/she can investigate me tonight. If I flip town, I'll be dead N2. If I flip mafia, I'll be dead Day 2. Simple as that.
2. I don't like unpressurized claims, because as said before, even if you were telling the truth, you gave mafia one target not to go for. If you're mafia, and the cop is mafia, I'll end dead anyway, so your plan is quite good.
3. Yes, I think you should be lynched, but didn't cast my vote yet to prevent hammers. With Tim and mitch in game, you never know.

My scum guesses are: wolf, streaker & you (+mitch unreadable)
Main Town reads: ptlowe (though overly silent) and possibly IB... others unreadable so far.

If the D1 ended today, I'd probably go for a kill on you, but let's discuss more.

its dffinatly interesting you wanna kill someone who in the long run COULD be the choosing factor in weather or not town or skum win this thing

[dakky21]

1. You pulled back by saying you might have lied about your claim,how can we accept it when you yourself dispute it?
2. From the person who softclaimed vig basically immediately saying you dont like un-pressured claims is a bit hypocritical,dont you think?
3.Im at L-7 now was at L-8 when i claimed, unless mitch and tim are both quadruple voters i dont believe a hammer was your concern.

1&2. I pulled back at Wing's advice, so now mafia can't know if really I am the vig or not.
3. vote Endsgame. Happy now?