[Official]Adventure time mafia:MAFIA WIN!

[ptlowe]

@twr, you don't get town credit for hammering scum for the very reason of what is happening right now. Scum are the only one's who know whether players are scum or not. So it is easy for scum to hammer other scum and be like "look how town I am, I killed scum" when a town player doesn't really know on a lynch, especially on D1. Town lynch other town all the time because they don't know, this doesn't make them scum in the same way that scum lynching scummates (especially when that player is likely to be lynched anyway) doesn't make them town.

You are letting the results color the actions and more importantly, the reasons.

You could have very easily demanded more from dakky without hammering. After you knew he was dead and provided more, you and streaker both unvoted. You being the only one to know he was dead while placing him at L1 basically forced someone else to unvote to prevent a potential quicklynch. This made streaker someone for you to target right out of the gate today. So it looks to me like you could have easily hammered a scum mate all while gathering a potential target for D2.

As for WCG saying you wanted to quiet your mate before he spilled the beans: perhaps the scum have a factional ability that dakky may have bartered in order to stay alive that you wanted to remain hidden. This theory is a little out there, but it is very conceivable that he had some group information that he could have wasted in trying to save himself.

FP'd by tim

How do you know those two are town? Is mitch's softclaim really enough to clear two people? It has been such a strange softclaim too, where the most flatout thing he has said is "I READ the white rose as town". If you want to believe that claim that is one thing, but having that assure you that twr is town is shortsighted.
Do you join twr in thinking that wing and streaker are a scum pair?

We will have a clear read on Mitch tonight unless someone saves him. No way mafia lets a cop claim live. So we need to lynch right today

[ptlowe]

Compensation

rofl

[TimWoodbury]

White Rose are you the doublevoter? If not Cyan has just been lynched.

Congratulations guys, how about you actually ask questions next time. Lynching someone without attempting to gain evidence is the stupidest thing you can do.

I agree and who were the voters...

Pixar streaker tim ragain...

One of them is mafia

i can tell you who it is and i can give yah 3 guesses 1st 2 dont count who i say it is

[Ragian]

@Rose, Streaker, Wing, I feel that you guys are measuring dicks right now: "You made this mistake," "Yeah, but you made this mistake." Could we cool that for now? We all realise that you don't believe each other. If anything, I can't believe that Rose is scum. Why would a double voter wanna lynch a scummate at that point? Makes no sense to me anyway. Furthermore, I can't believe that any player would call whoever believes him town and whoever does not scum. That's like saying there's only one true way of looking at the world or some shit like that.

agreed, it makes no sense to any townie, but streaker has called me godfather and wing continues to believe i am scum and tim is the bus driver, what does that say about them? indeed they both wanted to lynch me but were unable to find support from town, (hardly surprising) so switched their attention to tim instead.

oh and yes, i do have a bigger dick than either streaker or wing, why else do you think i was given a double vote?

It says about them that they are experienced enough to know that just because something seems like X, it's not 100% certain that it is in fact X.

@Tim, this is a game of mafia. You are supposed to come up with a million and one reasons why things might be the way they are. I know from my past games that taking things on face value will bite you in the arse because of various roles that f*ck up results and what not.

Now, ptlowe has said things, but his posts don't sit right with me. Basically, he's mirroring what has been said and comes out hard on streaker. Moreover, he simplifies things. There's no guarantee that mitch is scum if Rose should turn out to be. Also, why would believing mitch is town automatically mean that streaker is scum? I don't follow that reasoning.

[Streaker]

ptlowe, what exactly makes me scum in that scenario?
But more importantly, what has changed to make you read me as town yesterday, but scum today?

With everything that is said, you have no further comments on the case made on Tim? Just that he needs to sober up before posting?

I also don't understand this:

@twr, you don't get town credit for hammering scum for the very reason of what is happening right now. Scum are the only one's who know whether players are scum or not. So it is easy for scum to hammer other scum and be like "look how town I am, I killed scum" when a town player doesn't really know on a lynch, especially on D1. Town lynch other town all the time because they don't know, this doesn't make them scum in the same way that scum lynching scummates (especially when that player is likely to be lynched anyway) doesn't make them town.

You are letting the results color the actions and more importantly, the reasons.

You could have very easily demanded more from dakky without hammering. After you knew he was dead and provided more, you and streaker both unvoted. You being the only one to know he was dead while placing him at L1 basically forced someone else to unvote to prevent a potential quicklynch. This made streaker someone for you to target right out of the gate today. So it looks to me like you could have easily hammered a scum mate all while gathering a potential target for D2.

As for WCG saying you wanted to quiet your mate before he spilled the beans: perhaps the scum have a factional ability that dakky may have bartered in order to stay alive that you wanted to remain hidden. This theory is a little out there, but it is very conceivable that he had some group information that he could have wasted in trying to save himself.

FP'd by tim

How do you know those two are town? Is mitch's softclaim really enough to clear two people? It has been such a strange softclaim too, where the most flatout thing he has said is "I READ the white rose as town". If you want to believe that claim that is one thing, but having that assure you that twr is town is shortsighted.
Do you join twr in thinking that wing and streaker are a scum pair?

We will have a clear read on Mitch tonight unless someone saves him. No way mafia lets a cop claim live. So we need to lynch right today

What has a mafia decision of taking out the cop (that could be protected - which makes this entire post WIFOM), to do with the fact that we have to lynch right, today? What are you trying to say here?

[the white rose]

What has a mafia decision of taking out the cop (that could be protected - which makes this entire post WIFOM), to do with the fact that we have to lynch right, today? What are you trying to say here?

scum will have a tricky decision tonight.

is their a protective role in the game, if there is they will probably protect mitch, so maybe they should kill me instead? but then, there may not be such a role, or that role may think mitch is reasonably safe as scum will expect him to be protected so i may get targetted and the protective role may choose to save me.....its second guessing....is this what you call wifom?

either way there is a possibility that scum will fail in their night kill.

[Streaker]

What has a mafia decision of taking out the cop (that could be protected - which makes this entire post WIFOM), to do with the fact that we have to lynch right, today? What are you trying to say here?

scum will have a tricky decision tonight.

is their a protective role in the game, if there is they will probably protect mitch, so maybe they should kill me instead? but then, there may not be such a role, or that role may think mitch is reasonably safe as scum will expect him to be protected so i may get targetted and the protective role may choose to save me.....its second guessing....is this what you call wifom?

either way there is a possibility that scum will fail in their night kill.

I underlined it. That is the pure definition of a WIFOM, exactly. And now you see why it's useless discussing it.

[madmitch]

I am so happy PT is back posting finally got a new set of eyes on everything,I was so tired hearing the same thing over and over you are mafia no you are it was driving me and everyone else crazy, now with your post I can see clear skies again vote streaker

[Ragian]

@Mitch, why streaker?

[Streaker]

I am so happy PT is back posting finally got a new set of eyes on everything,I was so tired hearing the same thing over and over you are mafia no you are it was driving me and everyone else crazy, now with your post I can see clear skies again vote streaker

What makes YOU think I am scum? Let's hear what those new set of eyes make you see.

[Streaker]

White Rose are you the doublevoter? If not Cyan has just been lynched.

Congratulations guys, how about you actually ask questions next time. Lynching someone without attempting to gain evidence is the stupidest thing you can do.

I agree and who were the voters...

Pixar streaker tim ragain...

One of them is mafia

Listing over a third of the players in a game, and saying that 1 of them is mafia is just... good statistical analysis I suppose.

[madmitch]

The main reason is your constant attacks on twr when I told you and everyone else my town read on him, then you attacked Tim because of his acceptance of what I said and you were good really good you had me believing you to the point that I almost didn't believe my own read, that sounds like a mafia busdriver to me ,you got to go one way or the other it will clear things up.

[Streaker]

The main reason is your constant attacks on twr when I told you and everyone else my town read on him, then you attacked Tim because of his acceptance of what I said and you were good really good you had me believing you to the point that I almost didn't believe my own read, that sounds like a mafia busdriver to me ,you got to go one way or the other it will clear things up.

My 'constant' attacks on twr are the result of a relentless push from twr on me, which was based on 'seems legit' statement. You clearing twr as town is the only thing preventing a lynch on twr, mitch. Scummy play + a town cop read don't mix, which is why explanations were searched for.

I attacked Tim NOT because of acceptance, but other reasons. Go back and read the posts made about Tim to find out why we are ACTUALLY pushing him.

Mitch, if you don't believe me that's fine. Then listen to the other players you think are town. Lynching me is NOT your best option today.

[madmitch]

IF I am wrong so be it but I don't think I am, let the other players lynch who they feel is scum and if you think you are going to get hung then you can always tell us who you are and we will take it from there.we could believe you and go back after cyan for his lack of posts.

[ptlowe]

IF I am wrong so be it but I don't think I am, let the other players lynch who they feel is scum and if you think you are going to get hung then you can always tell us who you are and we will take it from there.we could believe you and go back after cyan for his lack of posts.

Agree with Mitch 100%

Also, you seem to be getting about as defensive as Tim with very little pressure just me and mitch

[Streaker]

Very little pressure? I've been the main target for the entire day. 70% of the talk today has been about me. You call that little pressure?

Anyway, in case I am quick-lynched over night (you never now nowadays), remember to look back at my posts:

Town:

-mitch
-ragian
-pixar

Scum:

-ptlowe
-Tim
-to a lesser extent rose

Too many bloody inactives to get a better read on.

[ptlowe]

I like how the people that are pressuring you make your scum list.

[Streaker]

I like how the people that are pressuring you make your scum list.

Scum is pressuring me because I am on to them. Also, mitch is pressuring me and he is a town read. Another untrue and unlogical statement by ptlowe. Add it to the list.

[Ragian]

Don't understand the push on streaker for now. I'm not saying that he's not scum, but I don't see it right now.

@Mitch, pushing Rose has nothing to do with you vetting him. Also, it should be painfully obvious that a mere busdriver could f*ck up your result (i.e. you would get a result on someone else). I don't think Rose is scum, but from that and to flat out vote whoever still holds open the possibility is a long way to travel.

Now, I want to be absolutely clear on this: I'm not saying that streaker is in no way scum. However, he has made sound arguments, albeit somewhat fanatic at times, which I think people disagreeing with regard as scummy. You cannot say that one person's version of the truth is wrong unless you can prove either inconsistencies or contradictions. And even then it doesn't mean that you have found scum.

@Mitch, what did you think of Tim wanting to lynch you when D2 started and you softclaimed?

[madmitch]

OH!! I REMEMBER, but I am not switching votes it would make me look like a scum bag, IF I survive the night I will know for about Tim unless town wants me to check someone else , let me know guys I am your cop.

[Streaker]

OH!! I REMEMBER, but I am not switching votes it would make me look like a scum bag, IF I survive the night I will know for about Tim unless town wants me to check someone else , let me know guys I am your cop.

And there are a large number of ways for your results to be tampered with... So it means a lot less then it could... if nobody knew you were the cop...

[ptlowe]

OH!! I REMEMBER, but I am not switching votes it would make me look like a scum bag, IF I survive the night I will know for about Tim unless town wants me to check someone else , let me know guys I am your cop.

Personally id like you to check streaker as im about 90% read on him and i doubt he is lynched today.

@streak 3 of the 4 people you have listed as scum are the ones who think you are scum. Another scum tatic is to twist what others say and keep pushing chaos....

[Streaker]

OH!! I REMEMBER, but I am not switching votes it would make me look like a scum bag, IF I survive the night I will know for about Tim unless town wants me to check someone else , let me know guys I am your cop.

Personally id like you to check streaker as im about 90% read on him and i doubt he is lynched today.

@streak 3 of the 4 people you have listed as scum are the ones who think you are scum. Another scum tatic is to twist what others say and keep pushing chaos....

4? I only listed 2 as scum, and 1 as minor scum lol. Yeah continue doing that. What are you saying about twisting? lol

I'd be perfectly fine with a cop check on me. Though what would that prove?

[Ragian]

@Mitch, playing the cop you might want to take note of the following (just for future games if you please):
1) Don't blow your cover unless you have scum (and even then, it's not always the best way to come in guns blazing as many roles could tamper with your results; I'd probably start building a case on that person instead.
2) Don't state whom you're going to investigate. That should be up to you entirely. For one, scum could sway you one way or the other. Another thing could be the existence of a busdriver. So if you go check X, scum could bus X with a scumbuddy so you would get a guilty verdict on an innocent which might lead to both that person's and your demise.

I shouldn't tell you how to play your game. The above is meant as friendly advice

Now, streaker may or may not be scum, but what we're dealing with here is a prossible no lynch scenario. For one, we are divided. Some want streaker's blood (again, I'm not sure for what reasons. PT said for fogging, but that doesn't strike me as the best argument) while others want Tim's or PT's blood (Tim for wanting to lynch the cop and for feeling butthurt when pressured slightly while PT seems to go with the flow - although he has taken sides now).

Moreover, we have a couple of players who aren't playing. This doesn't bode well for us.

@streaker, in short, concise sentences, could you furnish me with your scum reads and reasons? I feel lost in all these pages already?

[*Pixar*]

Mitch just because you are cop doesnt mean you are confirmed town to everyone. There is a small possibility you are mafia cop trying to gain town credit.(unlikely but possibility) I still think Tim is our best lynch today but that's just me. If he turns out actual vanilla townie then mitch if you are the cop like you say you are, investigate Streaker. That's all I have for now.

Vote Tim