[Official]Adventure time mafia:MAFIA WIN!

[Streaker]

Why do you think everyone thought dakky was confirmed scum after his claim? Nobody got the chance to post anymore.

Theoretically, mafia has the chance to lynch a townie with a confirmed power (protecting the main character in the flavour game), or guessing. They could hit a stronger role, they could also hit a vanilla townie.
This is simply a disagreement about priorities on who to kill when maffia.

However, it seems I did not fully get your argument. You mean that dakky's claim: 'I won't claim I'm too important for town, mafia will 100% want to lynch me' is scummy and gave him away. I concede here, you are correct. I missed that.

I dislike how you 'know' that claim was 'given' to him.

My personal rule is, don't settle as town. We got a claim, and I got greedy and went for more.

[the white rose]

Why do you think everyone thought dakky was confirmed scum after his claim? Nobody got the chance to post anymore.

Theoretically, mafia has the chance to lynch a townie with a confirmed power (protecting the main character in the flavour game), or guessing. They could hit a stronger role, they could also hit a vanilla townie.
This is simply a disagreement about priorities on who to kill when maffia.

However, it seems I did not fully get your argument. You mean that dakky's claim: 'I won't claim I'm too important for town, mafia will 100% want to lynch me' is scummy and gave him away. I concede here, you are correct. I missed that.

I dislike how you 'know' that claim was 'given' to him.

My personal rule is, don't settle as town. We got a claim, and I got greedy and went for more.

i played a themed game in the past and was in fact mafia, i was given a choice of 2 safe claims to use. It is unreasonable not to give mafia safe claims to a themed game that they are probably unfamiliar with.

the object of the game is not to collect claims, but to identify mafia, we did that and you unvoting him would have saved his ass had in not been for a double vote.

[the white rose]

Why do you think everyone thought dakky was confirmed scum after his claim? Nobody got the chance to post anymore.

, well lets ask, was anybody convinced by dakky's claim yesterday?

Theoretically, mafia has the chance to lynch a townie with a confirmed power (protecting the main character in the flavour game), or guessing. They could hit a stronger role, they could also hit a vanilla townie.

but the dog as far as mafia are concerned is nothing more than vanilla in any case. now if the dog's role was to protect the cop instead, there would be a good reason to kill him.......Or if he claimed that the dog will attack and kill anybody that tries to kill its master,,,,,then yeah, but neither of these were claimed, so makes him harmless, this talk of the main character is a red herring, means nothing in this game. Finn, as was weasley in the hp game could well be aligned to mafia anyhow. its the town cop or doc that mafia would like to kill, not some dog that will die for its master. in short mafia could hit a stronger role, but can hardly hit a weaker role.

[madmitch]

@at streaker you are really playing the WIFOM wow!! and you are playing it great I am not sure what to do with you at this moment so to be fair UNVOTE @ tim you unvoted me because you thought that I could find out some information at night which I did ,now you are calling me scum, why? didn't you like what I found out maybe I will check you out next kratos and cyan you are also on my list of possible scum so man up and prove me wrong

[*Pixar*]

Well after reading(partly skimming) I agree dakky's fake claim was terrible and would have lynched him at the moment. From what I can see cyan is not the only one who is inactive, I don't think I saw any ptlowe posts either, or much of kratos. Streaker is on my radar for now, don't know why he would quickly unvote dakky after a terrible fake claim. Can I ask what madmitch soft claimed to be? I must have missed that, threatening to do a night action on someone, I kind of find pretty scummy as well. As if he is using his soft claim(whatever he claimed) as Town Credit.

[TimWoodbury]

@at streaker you are really playing the WIFOM wow!! and you are playing it great I am not sure what to do with you at this moment so to be fair UNVOTE @ tim you unvoted me because you thought that I could find out some information at night which I did ,now you are calling me scum, why? didn't you like what I found out maybe I will check you out next kratos and cyan you are also on my list of possible scum so man up and prove me wrong

okay thats sort of what i was expeting for a response so ill bite and say ur town your right i unvoted and said i wanted proof and you gave us something good.

so mitch rose town

ill follow and go vote cyan

[Whatsausage]

@ragian, don't take it personally, people mess up names all the time

So white rose, your main point against streaker is that he unvoted after dakky's 3rd attempt at claiming. Hindsight is 20-20, so no one is going to say that dakky looked town now. You and streaker were the only ones to post after the claims and both of you unvoted. Streaker did place another vote, which is pretty weak as a main point. It does trip a little bit of an alarm that he chose then to push for more info after most of a day of nothing. (I think the argument that streaker is responsible for leading D1 is pretty weak, it is everyone's responsibility)
Really what you are arguing is that streaker should have stayed on because he has played more than you and is therefore expected to catch a hole in logic more quickly? If dakky was town and had the role he claimed, wouldn't it be possible that he thought the role was very valuable and worth hiding? Given the way he had gone about claiming, I would have considered he was still hiding something along the lines of 'if he saves finn, he takes whoever is targeting finn down along with him'. Dakky went about claiming in a strange way, but poor decision does not automatically mean scum. It was still possible he was a flustered town who wasn't sure how much of his role to announce. Your argument is basically "lynch all liars" because dakky's role claim wasn't necessarily consistent with his claim that he would be a scum target. Dakky could have easily believed that he would've been a scum target if he claimed. (and not that it really does matter, but scum could totally go after a claimed pr, even if it isn't investigative, as if town believed the claim, it is one less person to frame) Another reason the claim was believable: it is a dangerous claim to make as scum, because if they kill finn, then dakky would be outed as a liar. I really don't think you have much on streaker.

Point of the above, you can go in circles for days, and you have been choosing to hop off when it shows streaker as scum, but I can easily see the other side. Granted there isn't a whole lot to go on at this point in the game, but I don't think your case here is very strong.

So to answer WCG (I think it was?) I don't think streaker is scum. What I meant with my statement was that I doubt that both mitch and streaker are scum. I don't see streaker as scum so far, and I'm not sure on mitch. He said towards the end of D1 that he would have some defence "in the morning". I figured he meant he would sleep and post when he had more time, but it appears he meant the next day in game. He then goes and says that "he knows rose is town" and proceeds to sheep rose. I hadn't linked these two things together before, but I suppose that gives a little more credence to his soft claim reasoning. Part of me still wants to lynch him on the principal of a claim like that, but a move I think is bad doesn't mean scum, so I'll let this lay for now.

Fp'd by tim
So I had forgotten about cyan returning with two posts of "taking offense"
I'm not sure if he is inactive or hiding. Those two posts lean towards the latter, but I think he should be prodded and possibly replaced. Cyan, post.
I think for pushing inactives, pt is a good choice

[the white rose]

So white rose, your main point against streaker is that he unvoted after dakky's 3rd attempt at claiming. Hindsight is 20-20, so no one is going to say that dakky looked town now. You and streaker were the only ones to post after the claims and both of you unvoted. Streaker did place another vote, which is pretty weak as a main point. It does trip a little bit of an alarm that he chose then to push for more info after most of a day of nothing. (I think the argument that streaker is responsible for leading D1 is pretty weak, it is everyone's responsibility)

no, its not so much that he unvoted, it is that he immediately accepted dakky's preposterous claim as legit...had he have posted something along the lines of 'not sure about that, but for now lets see what cyan claims' then i would have accepted that as townie play.

Dakky went about claiming in a strange way, but poor decision does not automatically mean scum. It was still possible he was a flustered town who wasn't sure how much of his role to announce.

which is precisely why i unvoted and started questionning him in more detail.

I am somewhat disappointed with the lack of support against streaker, but whatsausage's post was fair and excellent.

I still think he is scum, but understand that i am in the minority....decision i have to make is whether to join the cyan bw or not.

personally, i think streaker and pt are a scum pair with cyan and mitch as my alternatives.

cyan because of his offence posts and otherwise lack of activity. ptlowe is an experienced player but is offering nothing in discussions, and mitch for his rather curious soft claim....really cannot understand why he would want to do that.

[Streaker]

So white rose, your main point against streaker is that he unvoted after dakky's 3rd attempt at claiming. Hindsight is 20-20, so no one is going to say that dakky looked town now. You and streaker were the only ones to post after the claims and both of you unvoted. Streaker did place another vote, which is pretty weak as a main point. It does trip a little bit of an alarm that he chose then to push for more info after most of a day of nothing. (I think the argument that streaker is responsible for leading D1 is pretty weak, it is everyone's responsibility)

no, its not so much that he unvoted, it is that he immediately accepted dakky's preposterous claim as legit...had he have posted something along the lines of 'not sure about that, but for now lets see what cyan claims' then i would have accepted that as townie play.

Dakky went about claiming in a strange way, but poor decision does not automatically mean scum. It was still possible he was a flustered town who wasn't sure how much of his role to announce.

which is precisely why i unvoted and started questionning him in more detail.

I am somewhat disappointed with the lack of support against streaker, but whatsausage's post was fair and excellent.

I still think he is scum, but understand that i am in the minority....decision i have to make is whether to join the cyan bw or not.

personally, i think streaker and pt are a scum pair with cyan and mitch as my alternatives.

cyan because of his offence posts and otherwise lack of activity. ptlowe is an experienced player but is offering nothing in discussions, and mitch for his rather curious soft claim....really cannot understand why he would want to do that.

Stop focusing on me for saying 'seems legit'. It's literally all you are saying. You unvoted as much as I did, you hypocrit.

[Streaker]

Posted too soon.

Rose, why do you want a fast claim from cyan, yet show no intrest in a claim from me. Very peculiar.

[the white rose]

my vote on you is not being supported, so it is unreasonable to ask you to claim. we could get cyan to l-1 and get him to claim, but with a double voter around that may lynch him regardless.

better for all if cyan just claims now, without the risk of being lynched

[Ragian]

Alright, the thing about the names was meant as a joke thing. I'll stop. I know I was being a bit of a dick.

By the bye, Rage is fine if you don't want to be forced to type Ragian the entire time.

@Rose, why would we want someone at L-2 when forcing them to claim? Surely, L-2 is the way to go. Especially if we have a double voter around.

I've been demonstrating against cutbacks in the education sector today. I'm completely knackered. I'll be a better person tomorrow. I would add, though, that Pix just comes on to copy what everyone else has said rather than giving a pair of fresh eyes on our D1. That should be noted.

FP'ed by Rose going on about the L-1. Stop that now.

[*Pixar*]

there's nothing fresh to say, people were joke voting working off nothing, writing stupid poems, dakky got pressured made a terrible fake claim and streaker believed it. Simple as that

[the white rose]

and thats my point, it was a terrible fake claim and streaker being an experience should never have believed it.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

and thats my point, it was a terrible fake claim and streaker being an experience should never have believed it.

I know you have previous experience of playing mafia, and clearly have understanding of the going ons here, so you should never have believed it either.

Now can you look at the other players and stop tunneling, I'd bet that there are multiple mafia left. We are in serious threat of this day becoming one large argument between yourself and streaker that nobody appears to support. If it wasnt for Mitchs soft claim I'd be voting you right now. Move on.

@Tim, Why is Cyan mafia?

[madmitch]

@ WCG well said if I didn't know the truth about Rose I would have thought he was scum the way he is posting that is why I check ed him out . lets here from some different people

[Endgame422]

Official Vote count
Ptlowe(1)-the white rose
Cyanineeter(4)Timwoodbury,Ragian,Streaker,pixar,
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline is November the 6th
The vote count you are quoting mitch was indeed a mistake.
Doublevoters vote does not show in votecount.
Also Ragian has not lost his vote i missed it.
Sending prods to a few players now.

[Whatsausage]

@ WCG well said if I didn't know the truth about Rose I would have thought he was scum the way he is posting that is why I check ed him out . lets here from some different people

So you investigated him because of his posting today?
Or we could hear from you, you called kratos and cyan scum potential. What makes them scum and not pt?

[TimWoodbury]

and thats my point, it was a terrible fake claim and streaker being an experience should never have believed it.

I know you have previous experience of playing mafia, and clearly have understanding of the going ons here, so you should never have believed it either.

Now can you look at the other players and stop tunneling, I'd bet that there are multiple mafia left. We are in serious threat of this day becoming one large argument between yourself and streaker that nobody appears to support. If it wasnt for Mitchs soft claim I'd be voting you right now. Move on.

@Tim, Why is Cyan mafia?

im honestly jsut simply following the wagon of the 2 that i bealive mostly to be town would it be town friendly to go in the opposit direction of the 2 i bealive most to e town?

[TimWoodbury]

Official Vote count
Streaker(1)-the white rose
Cyanineeter(1)Timwoodbury
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline is November the 6th

i could of swore more was voting cyan then just me?? did i miss a unvote?

[madmitch]

@ WCG well said if I didn't know the truth about Rose I would have thought he was scum the way he is posting that is why I check ed him out . lets here from some different people

So you investigated him because of his posting today?
Or we could hear from you, you called kratos and cyan scum potential. What makes them scum and not pt?

NO I investigated him because of his posts on day 1 , pt also belongs on that list mainly the lack of posting,none posted today and cyan and pt did very little on day 1 NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM

[Streaker]

Vote count might be off a bit. Thought I voted cyan already.

Anyway

Vote cyaniteer

So, rose, your case on me now comes down the the fact that an 'experienced' player (which is not even the same as a 'good' player) is not allowed to make a misread? And making a misread = crystal clear scum?

I also agree with Ragian. Why only see L-1? L-2 is the norm on this site. It was your play of bringing dakky to L-1 that got him lynched

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Ok we need posts from cyaniteer for starters, but also ptlowe, kratos, whatsausage. That's 4 players out of 11 not posting anything at all. It's unlikely they are all actually AFK.

Of this list, together with cyaniteer, ptlowe strikes me as most scummy. I'll do a reread and see if I can put something together later today. In the meanwhile, I want to urge you all to vote cyaniteer and pressure him into claiming. Because that's how you get a claim

fp'd by mitch. He also picked up on the low-riding of ptlowe.


Ok 1 more remark for you guys (Tim and mitch in particular): A copcheck on a person that delivers an 'innocent', or 'town' result, does NOT equal that person as cleared or confirmed town.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

im honestly jsut simply following the wagon of the 2 that i bealive mostly to be town would it be town friendly to go in the opposit direction of the 2 i bealive most to e town?

It would be town to use your own brain. Its basic to understand that town are more effective if everyone engages their brain rather than just sheeping.

[Streaker]

Mitch, one thing. Why the hell are you claiming early, AGAIN? I thought we established that it is bad. You didn't catch a scum, and now everyone knows who you are. You also have not yet cleared a town.

Tim, how about you give us your thoughts on the person you are voting. You know, giving us information to work with if you happen to die. It gives us something to go back to and reread. It's essential that you give your opinions.

Wing You seem awfully relaxed. Not voted yet. I'm sure you are caught up by now. Have you noticed any interactions by dakky on D1 that caught your attention? Who is your top scum pick and top town pick at this moment?

[Streaker]

EBWOP, didn't mean to include Whatsausage in my post about the inactives...