[Official] Choose Your Own Mafia - TOWN WINS

by **madmitch** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:39 am

I'm lonely

by **Marashu** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:59 am

DAILY VOTE COUNT

ptlowe: AoG, Streaker, Pixar, benga, Sausage
skw: Tim
Epi: Mets, madmitch, HotShot, Wing
madmitch: dakky,
AoG: Epi
HotShot: Endgame, ptlowe

Not voting:subtleknifewield

Deadline is 1600CCT, Sept 29. With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.

by ***Pixar*** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:07 am

I'm keeping my vote on ptlowe because I simply still don't believe his rushed claim. If he does happen to turn town his role doesn't effect us too much am I right?

by **Endgame422** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:26 am

Looks like either epi or PT.
HS needs 6 votes in roughly 48 hours and i dont think its going to happen today.
PT seems the safe choice being vanilla but nothing ventured nothing gained.
UNVOTE
VOTE EPI

by **ptlowe** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:31 pm

Endgame422 wrote:Looks like either epi or PT.
HS needs 6 votes in roughly 48 hours and i dont think its going to happen today.
PT seems the safe choice being vanilla but nothing ventured nothing gained.
UNVOTE
VOTE EPI

EPI is thid so unless people are sure about him being scum we could lose a very strong town vote. I think people are rushing to vote him scum but I dont see any evidence. Mets in particular is really pushing. Its be better to vote me then him. At least we wouldnt lose a good role. Also, I am not going to vote against him and Tims not back till Monday. So that leaves all the remaining players not voting for me or him to vote for one of us or we need to switch some votes. Again Id rather be taken out then lose a good role. Also, even if Im dead if my group wins I win. So go ahead and kill me a town players if you guys want since you havent been able to pick up reads in 8 days.

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:32 pm

PT I've been there too. If you are town, never ask to be lynched. The only thing you know is your own alignment.

by **ptlowe** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:52 pm

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Unless hes your scum buttbuddy and then of course you would defend him. Just figured Id throw that in there. Thats a pretty crazy defense for someone who doesnt know for sure. Unless you do because you are aligned together. Normally you only defend yourself that much. Soo mets are you scum?

unvote vote mets

by **Epitaph1** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:27 pm

Since I'm at L-3, potentially L-2 if the double voter is on me, it should be known that I did get the role I asked for.

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Mets, fortunately for you (and probably everyone) I don't have the time to get into a lengthy post atm. If I did, I would give you a nice long breakdown of my thoughts on AoG throughout the day, including plenty of quotes by him.

Suffice it to say, my opinion of him is based on what he has and hasn't posted. My opinion has even changed on him throughout the day and I've said so. However, your case on me is that I have tried to force a case against him based on nothing. Obviously it's not nothing because the biggest defense of him so far is "he acts scummy when he's town." Hmmm, so I'm not the only one who has found his actions scummy.

And as for getting Hotshot's vote: don't laud yourself too much for that one. A number of people have him as one of the top scum and his vote is a total bandwagon.

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:25 pm

The question that bugs me; Why is Mets not the Vig?

I however, dont believe this to be a question that needs answering today. AoG and Mets may be scumpartners, but its not something I believe strongly currently.

by **Metsfanmax** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:09 pm

ptlowe wrote:Mets in particular is really pushing.

I don't ever really push a case in mafia. I just lay my reasoning out there, and it's up to everyone else to choose whether to follow it. Despite everything I have said, it remains true that most D1 lynches are mislynches, and by that logic I am (probabilistically speaking) likely to be wrong about Epi. So it's up to the rest of you to decide whether you find something scummy in his play or not. If you don't, I'm not going to argue with you over it.

Unless hes your scum buttbuddy and then of course you would defend him.

No, that's silly. AoG hasn't been in serious danger of being lynched today. If I were his scum buddy, why would I go around making it so obvious when he's not really even in trouble?

Thats a pretty crazy defense for someone who doesnt know for sure.

This is just bad reasoning. My arguments have completely not been a defense of AoG; they are an attack on Epi. I am not saying now, and have never said, that I read AoG as town. I'm pretty neutral on that right now. All I've said is that Epi doesn't have strong reasoning for thinking AoG is not town.

Epi wrote:Obviously it's not nothing because the biggest defense of him so far is "he acts scummy when he's town." Hmmm, so I'm not the only one who has found his actions scummy.

Yes, but when it has been pointed out multiple times by multiple players that AoG always sounds scummy, regardless of alignment, you just shrug and say "whatever, I still think it's evidence that he's scummy." Which leaves you with little town cred.

And as for getting Hotshot's vote: don't laud yourself too much for that one

Obvious joke was obvious, lol.

The question that bugs me; Why is Mets not the Vig?

Vig is not consistent with my playstyle. I don't like having that role, so I didn't select it.

by **ptlowe** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:45 pm

Again with the dissertation. Further makes me think your scum.

by **Metsfanmax** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:51 pm

ptlowe wrote:Again with the dissertation. Further makes me think your scum.

Whatever makes you happy, my friend.

by **Army of GOD** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:32 pm

Mets is a little smarter than "my fellow scum is being voted on, I'm going to jump to his defense!"

that's a awful mafia play if we were both mafia.

by **ptlowe** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:34 pm

Army of GOD wrote:Mets is a little smarter than "my fellow scum is being voted on, I'm going to jump to his defense!"

that's a awful mafia play if we were both mafia.

Or maybe you think players would think he was smarter than that and thus he is actually doing that with the gamble we would be countering it with thinking he was smarter than that.

by **TimWoodbury** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:06 pm

okay folk im back from training and home. i see we have a deadline extension till i believe Tuesday. So virus is replaced so im gonna start off going with unvote

by **TimWoodbury** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:11 pm

i think that pt or epi will be the best shot of a lynch before the deadline, but before i can go put my vote on either of them im gonna have to go through and re read it all tomarrow.

by **dakky21** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:51 pm

TimWoodbury wrote:i think that pt or epi will be the best shot of a lynch before the deadline, but before i can go put my vote on either of them im gonna have to go through and re read it all tomarrow.

So you think pt or epi are the best shot, but you will still have to re-read it all? If you need to re-read, why do you think pt or epi are the best options?

by **Endgame422** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:28 pm

ptlowe wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:Mets is a little smarter than "my fellow scum is being voted on, I'm going to jump to his defense!"

that's a awful mafia play if we were both mafia.

Or maybe you think players would think he was smarter than that and thus he is actually doing that with the gamble we would be countering it with thinking he was smarter than that.

Lol.
Welcome to mafia.
And if your town you never advocate a lynch of yourself.100 percent chance your town(from your perspective of course),vs whatever percentage sure you are that epi is town. Getting yourself killed is a bad gamble.PRs work both ways and im ignoring the draft entirely at this point,as are you by voting mets.

by **ptlowe** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:30 pm

Endgame422 wrote:
ptlowe wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:Mets is a little smarter than "my fellow scum is being voted on, I'm going to jump to his defense!"

that's a awful mafia play if we were both mafia.

Or maybe you think players would think he was smarter than that and thus he is actually doing that with the gamble we would be countering it with thinking he was smarter than that.

Lol.
Welcome to mafia.
And if your town you never advocate a lynch of yourself.100 percent chance your town(from your perspective of course),vs whatever percentage sure you are that epi is town. Getting yourself killed is a bad gamble.PRs work both ways and im ignoring the draft entirely at this point,as are you by voting mets.

Im just pressuring mets. Only vote on him atm so no risk of killing him. Just trying to show hes not immune to scrutiny,

by **ptlowe** on Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:31 pm

And on top of that I am unwilling to vote epi or and impossible to vote myself so not much else I can do based upon current swing of votes.

by **subtleknifewield** on Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:47 am

May not be able to get a vote in by deadline, am saying so now. If an extension of a day is possible to give me time to read the rest of th thread, that would be much appreciated, but I understand if it is not possible.

by **Streaker** on Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:52 am

Endgame422 wrote:Looks like either epi or PT.
HS needs 6 votes in roughly 48 hours and i dont think its going to happen today.
PT seems the safe choice being vanilla but nothing ventured nothing gained.
UNVOTE
VOTE EPI

PT seems the better choice though. Lying about being VT is what a good scum would do in that position. It's a safe claim, and if you don't get lynched you are virtually safe from NK.

Lynching Epi now risks taking out a PR (albeit not necesarilly a town one), but it will also narrow down the scum's NK's to a smaller top list. I don't feel that is a good deal.

PT's excuse that there is nothing else for him to do is weak. You can always give reads, analyze other player's posts, and with 2 days left you could start an entire new case (been done before).

FP'd by subtleknife:

Hey man, just in case you don't get extra time (unlikely since we already got 2 extra days): Look up posts from ptlowe, HS, and Epi. They are the ones 'most likely' to get lynched today and most discussion has revolved around them.

by **ptlowe** on Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:00 am

Streaker wrote:
Endgame422 wrote:Looks like either epi or PT.
HS needs 6 votes in roughly 48 hours and i dont think its going to happen today.
PT seems the safe choice being vanilla but nothing ventured nothing gained.
UNVOTE
VOTE EPI

PT seems the better choice though. Lying about being VT is what a good scum would do in that position. It's a safe claim, and if you don't get lynched you are virtually safe from NK.

Lynching Epi now risks taking out a PR (albeit not necesarilly a town one), but it will also narrow down the scum's NK's to a smaller top list. I don't feel that is a good deal.

PT's excuse that there is nothing else for him to do is weak. You can always give reads, analyze other player's posts, and with 2 days left you could start an entire new case (been done before).

FP'd by subtleknife:

Hey man, just in case you don't get extra time (unlikely since we already got 2 extra days): Look up posts from ptlowe, HS, and Epi. They are the ones 'most likely' to get lynched today and most discussion has revolved around them.

Not sure where u got that weak exxuse from...ive been giving leads...check ue facts but i do agree on epi think its a bad lynch right now

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:25 am

Streaker wrote:Lynching Epi now risks taking out a PR (albeit not necesarilly a town one), but it will also narrow down the scum's NK's to a smaller top list. I don't feel that is a good deal.

Epi will not be on the scum nightkill list if he is not lynched today, if he is town then he is too easy a mislynch D2 to be wasted on a nightkill.

by **Streaker** on Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:06 am

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:
Streaker wrote:Lynching Epi now risks taking out a PR (albeit not necesarilly a town one), but it will also narrow down the scum's NK's to a smaller top list. I don't feel that is a good deal.

Epi will not be on the scum nightkill list if he is not lynched today, if he is town then he is too easy a mislynch D2 to be wasted on a nightkill.

That argument has a hint of WIFOM to it... and I'm not sure if it even holds up with 2 mafia factions and a SK on the loose.

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