[Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [8/14] D4:Twisted Pattern

[aage]

For the record, I'm cool with either deadline since night talk is allowed anyway.

[Iron Butterfly]

I will be placing my vote on wing.

I dont think there is 3 scum left so if IB is fake claiming he cant win today and would most likely just be clearing his partner is mets or tal.

I've been thinking about this.

Game has 14 players, the majority is always town.
Let's assume that just over half (9/14) is town. 9 town, leaves 5 non-town. We have had 2 third parties die and a mafia. There are still 2 non-town left in that scenario. I'd say Wing is maf and End a possible 3rd party.
Let's assume that a handsome majority as per normal games (10/14) is town. 10 town, leaves 4 non-town. There are three non-town dead which leaves only 1.

The only case in which we'd be screwed is if the game started with 8/14 town or less, in which case it's the setup that fucked us over. There are just as many non-town dead as there are townies dead, so yeah I agree scum can't win today.

My plan (if you guys permit it) is to hang Wing today on grounds of his claim, his behaviour and the process of elimination I posted earlier. If he flips scum, huzzah, lynch End tomorrow if the game continues. If he flips town, IB has lied about his role and/or abilities and we should hang him tomorrow. I don't think that's gonna happen though.

How exactly have I lied about my abilities if Wing flips Town?? Seems I missed that bit of reasoning.

You have also completely dismissed the recruiting aspect of this game. You are playing as if we are just looking for mafia and not something more.

We had no indication last night in the night scene one way or the other. Night one and two we had some idea.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Ib and Mets - How does Aage know Mets ability? Maybe I am missing something, but I havent got much idea. All I know is that IB will take a bullet for him, and that'll do for me.

[Metsfanmax]

Ib and Mets - How does Aage know Mets ability? Maybe I am missing something, but I havent got much idea. All I know is that IB will take a bullet for him, and that'll do for me.

aage doesn't know my ability, he only has a guess of who my character is.

[aage]

I will be placing my vote on wing.

I dont think there is 3 scum left so if IB is fake claiming he cant win today and would most likely just be clearing his partner is mets or tal.

I've been thinking about this.

Game has 14 players, the majority is always town.
Let's assume that just over half (9/14) is town. 9 town, leaves 5 non-town. We have had 2 third parties die and a mafia. There are still 2 non-town left in that scenario. I'd say Wing is maf and End a possible 3rd party.
Let's assume that a handsome majority as per normal games (10/14) is town. 10 town, leaves 4 non-town. There are three non-town dead which leaves only 1.

The only case in which we'd be screwed is if the game started with 8/14 town or less, in which case it's the setup that fucked us over. There are just as many non-town dead as there are townies dead, so yeah I agree scum can't win today.

My plan (if you guys permit it) is to hang Wing today on grounds of his claim, his behaviour and the process of elimination I posted earlier. If he flips scum, huzzah, lynch End tomorrow if the game continues. If he flips town, IB has lied about his role and/or abilities and we should hang him tomorrow. I don't think that's gonna happen though.

How exactly have I lied about my abilities if Wing flips Town?? Seems I missed that bit of reasoning.

You have also completely dismissed the recruiting aspect of this game. You are playing as if we are just looking for mafia and not something more.

We had no indication last night in the night scene one way or the other. Night one and two we had some idea.

Right, recruiting. After your alarm bell on being tempted to join the dark side of the Force, I don't think any townie in their right mind would take up that offer atm. Town is winning visibly. Honestly, I have a theory that only 3rd parties like Padan Fain could've been successfully targeted by that recruit attempt. Besides, the fact that you were able to resist the recruit and posted about it might've also caused the scum to change their tactics, since failing at a recruit during the night is bad for scum (watcher/tracker could easily spot them).

The other option is that you actually were successfully recruited and are lying through your teeth, which is option B.

If Wing flips and he flips town, we have only End to turn to as the last potential mafia through process of elimination. You've cleared me, Mtam and Tal. Mitch apparently is Rand, the Dragon Reborn (since nobody else is). Mets is given a town pass from you even though we don't know why. End2 is the last option for scum in that scenario, except that (a) he shot End1 during N1 which is not a logical scum NK at all, and (b) he claimed the ability to busdrive and seemed to have succesfully busdriven himself with Storr. There could be foul play there if End is actually a night immune killing role, as he would just shoot Storr himself, shrug at the bullet Mtam fired at him and spin his busdriver story. I believe that makes him more likely to be 3rd party though, not mafia. This means that either Wing is mafia, or your information is incorrect. Your entire town cred is based on having an awesome role who happens to be on the search for another awesome role, but it should be noted that Shadow also is looking for this Dragon Reborn. Would be the perfect guise.

If I got my way, worst case scenario we would lynch Wing, if he would flip town End shoots IB, if IB flips town we lynch End, gg.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Haha a plan that involves taken out the only three players claiming town roles.

[aage]

Haha a plan that involves taken out the only three players claiming town roles.

whoop tee fucking doo, who isn't claiming town? Let's lynch those first surely.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Haha a plan that involves taken out the only three players claiming town roles.

whoop tee fucking doo, who isn't claiming town? Let's lynch those first surely.

Well you wanted us to look at DD's inactivity as a read, and have suggested there are more third party in the game. Thats makes you a third party survivor. So are you actually claiming town?

[aage]

Haha a plan that involves taken out the only three players claiming town roles.

whoop tee fucking doo, who isn't claiming town? Let's lynch those first surely.

Well you wanted us to look at DD's inactivity as a read, and have suggested there are more third party in the game. Thats makes you a third party survivor. So are you actually claiming town?

I've said I'm town in an earlier post, and I suggested there are more 3rd party because Storr and Virus flipped on a different color it's not rocket science.

[Iron Butterfly]

I will be placing my vote on wing.

I dont think there is 3 scum left so if IB is fake claiming he cant win today and would most likely just be clearing his partner is mets or tal.

I've been thinking about this.

Game has 14 players, the majority is always town.
Let's assume that just over half (9/14) is town. 9 town, leaves 5 non-town. We have had 2 third parties die and a mafia. There are still 2 non-town left in that scenario. I'd say Wing is maf and End a possible 3rd party.
Let's assume that a handsome majority as per normal games (10/14) is town. 10 town, leaves 4 non-town. There are three non-town dead which leaves only 1.

The only case in which we'd be screwed is if the game started with 8/14 town or less, in which case it's the setup that fucked us over. There are just as many non-town dead as there are townies dead, so yeah I agree scum can't win today.

My plan (if you guys permit it) is to hang Wing today on grounds of his claim, his behaviour and the process of elimination I posted earlier. If he flips scum, huzzah, lynch End tomorrow if the game continues. If he flips town, IB has lied about his role and/or abilities and we should hang him tomorrow. I don't think that's gonna happen though.

How exactly have I lied about my abilities if Wing flips Town?? Seems I missed that bit of reasoning.

You have also completely dismissed the recruiting aspect of this game. You are playing as if we are just looking for mafia and not something more.

We had no indication last night in the night scene one way or the other. Night one and two we had some idea.

Right, recruiting. After your alarm bell on being tempted to join the dark side of the Force, I don't think any townie in their right mind would take up that offer atm. Town is winning visibly. Honestly, I have a theory that only 3rd parties like Padan Fain could've been successfully targeted by that recruit attempt. Besides, the fact that you were able to resist the recruit and posted about it might've also caused the scum to change their tactics, since failing at a recruit during the night is bad for scum (watcher/tracker could easily spot them).

The other option is that you actually were successfully recruited and are lying through your teeth, which is option B.

If Wing flips and he flips town, we have only End to turn to as the last potential mafia through process of elimination. You've cleared me, Mtam and Tal. Mitch apparently is Rand, the Dragon Reborn (since nobody else is). Mets is given a town pass from you even though we don't know why. End2 is the last option for scum in that scenario, except that (a) he shot End1 during N1 which is not a logical scum NK at all, and (b) he claimed the ability to busdrive and seemed to have succesfully busdriven himself with Storr. There could be foul play there if End is actually a night immune killing role, as he would just shoot Storr himself, shrug at the bullet Mtam fired at him and spin his busdriver story. I believe that makes him more likely to be 3rd party though, not mafia. This means that either Wing is mafia, or your information is incorrect. Your entire town cred is based on having an awesome role who happens to be on the search for another awesome role, but it should be noted that Shadow also is looking for this Dragon Reborn. Would be the perfect guise.

If I got my way, worst case scenario we would lynch Wing, if he would flip town End shoots IB, if IB flips town we lynch End, gg.

Yup that is a big WoW post.

AAgee I recognize you came late to game but the simple logic is this. Someone targeted me. It was not in the traditional sense, however it would change ones win condition. If I were recruited it would serve no purpose to advertise that we have cult, especially given that it happened night one.

The night 2 scene all but confirms something is happening but it was rebuffed. Night 3 we hear nothing.

Perhaps I have stated this before. If we have a "Godfather" type, which I believe the Dark One may be, I "may" be of no help. I have no idea what would have happened if I targeted Virus or Storr. I would have detected Streaker. With Streaker lynched day one it may have changed the dynamics of how Tal and I work, though that is pure speculation on my part. IF there is a "God Father" then we can only work on who has played most scummy. DD was cleared but that was also 2 days ago.

[Metsfanmax]

The other option is that you actually were successfully recruited and are lying through your teeth, which is option B.

Not an option. IB was under no obligation to tell anyone about the recruitment visit. If he accepted the offer, it would have made zero sense for him to go blabbing that the recruitment mechanism exists.

Mets is given a town pass from you even though we don't know why.

IB and I are town masons. And yes, I am Lan Mandragoran. So please stop the focus on IB unless you think we're both scum buddies. Which you shouldn't, given everything IB has told us this game.

[aage]

Fair enough. I may have been a little too aggressive with my assertions. I've just been really hyped at theorizing and when (I think) I figured out the roles in the game, Wing was the odd one out and I thought I'd solved the puzzle on the same day I subbed in. The only mistakes that my theory allows are (a) End is scum and Got sent in a weird night action, (b) Mtam is godfather hence why you didn't see anything, (c) IB is actually mafia. Mtam I've already said I read as town, see no reason why/how he would be scum, he's played the right wagons and tried to vig Got/End2 which means town. End being scum is also unlikely, I don't think Got would so obviously scumarine in everyone's face on D1 and actively dodge questions if he weren't a strong provable town role. Joat with vigshots is pretty powerful and provable town, so that fits. That leaves IB. Since he cleared 3 players and the roles of 2 other players are confirmed by his being here, IB's role is the pivotal point on which this game revolves. If we know he is legit, we know that a lot of other people are legit too, but if Wing flips town that becomes less likely imo.

Who would you guys prefer to lynch today - End or Wing?

[Iron Butterfly]

Endgame you had one of several choices night one yet you choose to vig kill night one. You had one of several choices night 2 but choose to nk virus night 2. You claimed and with held information from us as well by not claiming bus driver actions. You could have claimed such actions and still played defensively, all this did was help cover a rb night kill.

You claimed the same win condition as myself. What is your role color?

[aage]

Watch out with that one, IB.

2.Do NOT quote your role PM! I've killed multiple people in the past (for right or wrong) for this one, and once i've killed you....

Don't know what Rish considers quoting but asking for specific details of role PMs is sketchy.
Technically it would be perfectly fine (and it would actually help us) if End could get modkilled but it's a slightly dubious play

[Iron Butterfly]

Watch out with that one, IB.

2.Do NOT quote your role PM! I've killed multiple people in the past (for right or wrong) for this one, and once i've killed you....

Don't know what Rish considers quoting but asking for specific details of role PMs is sketchy.
Technically it would be perfectly fine (and it would actually help us) if End could get modkilled but it's a slightly dubious play

We received permission to paraphrase. I have also asked for permission and will stand by Rishads call.

He has already posted his role name, para phrased his win condition to match ours AND his role color.

I am simply asking if he wishes to stand by what he has already posted.

I am fully aware of what is and is not allowed.

End is a big boy Agee let him answer himself.

[Endgame422]

First off IB,what i did did not just "cover up" anything.
If i hadnt lied all you would still be following storr around like a bunch of lost puppies.
If i had told the truth about my role up front you would have lynched me for my role sounding "ridiculous",it almost went that direction anyways thanks to mets.
Second off i claimed everything already,so if the best case you have against me is regarding wether my role PM was in blue or black or god damn hot pink for that matter,then you yourself should know that your grasping at straws anyways.

[Iron Butterfly]

First off IB,what i did did not just "cover up" anything.
If i hadnt lied all you would still be following storr around like a bunch of lost puppies.
If i had told the truth about my role up front you would have lynched me for my role sounding "ridiculous",it almost went that direction anyways thanks to mets.
Second off i claimed everything already,so if the best case you have against me is regarding wether my role PM was in blue or black or god damn hot pink for that matter,then you yourself should know that your grasping at straws anyways.

You could have just as easily said I am a JOAT who does this this and this. You withheld it.

You also seem to think we are dumb in that we did not recognize the possibility of what Storr was or could do.

The color of your role is not "A case". It is the culmination of several choices you have made.

You were very forth coming with the paraphrased win condition.

[Endgame422]

My name was in blue. Just like when i claimed it days ago.
But i still dont think that is a reliable way to judge me tbh.

[Iron Butterfly]

My name was in blue. Just like when i claimed it days ago.
But i still dont think that is a reliable way to judge me tbh.

On it's own no.

I would like to know what others think specifically Wing and Tal.

Mtam has a night action as well.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

My personal view is that if End is town then they must have a godfather and this scares me as it puts us back to square one.

Ends posts still seem like his townie posts, but he might have learnt to hide it. His flip tells us he was being honest and that were screwed.

Godfather for me would be Tal. Even after you cleared him, he still hasnt seemed town.

Aage is lying through his teeth as he is blantantly third party survivor based on DD's play.

[aage]

My personal view is that if End is town then they must have a godfather and this scares me as it puts us back to square one.

Ends posts still seem like his townie posts, but he might have learnt to hide it. His flip tells us he was being honest and that were screwed.

Godfather for me would be Tal. Even after you cleared him, he still hasnt seemed town.

Aage is lying through his teeth as he is blantantly third party survivor based on DD's play.

What about DD's play indicated 3rd party survivor?

What about my play indicates 3rd party survivor?

IB said he was looking for women of power, and that Egwene wasn't the only one. Tal claimed the only name left in the game that fits the description, as I'm fairly confident Matam will claim a different name. Are you saying IB lied, or is being lied to? Are you saying the Talapus-IB interaction was illegitimate? The only way your theory could pan out is if IB's information is incorrect, and we have no reason to assume it is.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

IB's day action with tal didnt achieve anything, but please continue

[aage]

IB's day action with tal didnt achieve anything, but please continue

Yeah thanks for focussing on one point I brought up and completely ignoring everything else again, but good luck denying this:


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My role PM had a description of how I came to be in Two Rivers. It was stated I was in search of several women who have great potential. It was never stated what my day action was so I assumed that I was in search of these women with my day action. When Mars flipped and I saw the Dragon Claw and girl I was sure that was what I needed to do. However as I said I already visited Mars and got nothing. I have spoken to the mod. I made several assumptions on my own....I do not know what is truth or fiction.

Among the claimed roles there are only 2 women: Nynaeve... and Min. Your role. A woman who is able to see the pattern in an aura around people. A woman who goes to Tar Valon to be inspected by the Armylin Seat. It wouldn't have taken a brilliant mind to figure out that the role YOU claimed is the counterpart to IB's "women of power" mention. Yet you haven't responded to him about this. You haven't considered that you might be one of the "women of power", since, even though you can't channel, being able to view auras on people (especially on ta'veren, and ESPECIALLY on the Dragon Reborn) is a pretty god damn useful power if you're trying to find the Dragon Reborn, the most fixed soul weaved into the Pattern, the 'greatest' ta'veren in the story.

But you haven't suggested you two should visit each other.

Here you sat, didn't know anything about the flavour, but the first thing you do when flavour discussions pop up is search for information on it and make assumptions based on it. You've done this several times in the game. But you couldn't be bothered to look up your own role? You didn't hear alarm bells ringing in your head when IB posted he was looking for "women of power"? I do assume you read the damn wiki on your own claimed character's name...

http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/Elmindreda_Farshaw

[aage]

Cont.

Assuming that you are not one of these women of power, you must therefore assume there are other women of power, correct? Well, I'm not one of them. Mtam is the only character unclaimed so far and I will bet good money he isn't one either. That only leaves Tal as a possible second woman of power referred to in IB's role pm.

Now here's why I think you are scum. I think the mafia is also trying to find the Dragon Reborn. I think the reason why you didn't pick up on the relation between Min and Moiraine is because you aren't Min, and you hadn't decided to claim Min yet when IB posted his information about the women of power. I think you've slipped up big time here by accusing the one and only role IB could possibly target with his ability.

[madmitch]

I am leavingmy vote where it is , I believe Hotshot since he is my best friend, I am Rand Al,Thor son of Tam Al,Thor , my mother died early and I was raised in Two Rivers, and I am on an important journey ,so I will need all your help and protection.

Aage you are correct in your facts,he screwed up,as for the dragon reborn according to what i read I am the one foretolded