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by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:18 pm

Cause I am not a great fan of meta, and especially not meta that the player is self aware about. If you know that you confirm to be town when playing as town, then you can actively do it as mafia to pretend to be town. It makes little difference then.

by **StorrZerg** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:29 pm

:So thank you for pointing out how stupid it is then to hold it as a scummy point, or to even bring it up again. Thanks!

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:44 pm

Its a scummy action.
its even scummier to defend yourself with claims that its your own town meta. Its a worse version of the constant town claiming.

Not sure whats difficult to understand here. I havent put you into my mafia list, as I dont believe you to be mafia, but your actions do not make you confirmed town.

by **Talapus** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:04 pm

So handing out vig shots? This could end the game right here and now for sure. I am actually fine with vig shots being handed out but I would hope for max of only 2-3. Wothout claims though it is a shot in the dark as it is only day 2.

And I'm sorry madmitch you said you knew what the ability was that you recieved I certainly wouldn;t consider commuter an "awesome" ability butI guess to each there own.

And claims already huh, I suppose, though I think in a game like this they would be fairly hard to fake since so few of us know the stories

by **StorrZerg** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:33 pm

Hence why we should get some claims out. I strongly believe we can lynch and shoot claims easily based off streaker claim.

by **HotShot53** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:00 pm

If storr is really handing out vig shots... I hope anyone likely to get shot is asked to claim first, or else we could have a lot of bad shots. It would almost be a mass claim time, although that doesn't seem very sporting to do on day 2 really.

When is the day action deadline? How long do we have to decide who visits storr? I PM'd the mod to double check that I got my vote back. I was just going to place it to test it, but storr could easily see that and place the vote the same way if he still controls it, so that wouldn't prove anything really.

by **StorrZerg** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:07 pm

It's actually sad that neither you nor mitch has asked the mod about that yet, or got confirmation. Wasting more time...

by **Iron Butterfly** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:30 pm

StorrZerg wrote:2 can still have a discussion about reads.

Btw, why haven't you bothered to check my previous games to confirm or deny the "dubious self confirming town"?

Out of curiosity why would you make Mtam Town over me? What exactly has he done on anything except disappear?

I can not stop people from going along and I would be a hypocrite if I did.

HOWEVER...I believe to entrust a player with a vig ability they must have at least been part of the game.

You your self have stated you have no idea who excepts till after the fact. So you can easily give mafia a Vig action.

Second you have called for a Mass Claim, which only presents targets of opportunity AND gives mafia an extra kill ability. Mafia can kill AND use a Vig ability?

I also find it interesting we had a kill last night and you suspected it was a Vig and now you have a Vig power to hand out....how do you separate mafia from vig ability AND the one you hand out?

Once again where the Hell is everyone? Seems the only ones posting are Storr, Me Wing and Mets and the rest drop in with generic BS that helps nothing.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:35 pm

I quted the above...who the f*ck would have time or want to go through all your previous games to confirm or deny your "dubious self confirming Town"

Great you created a Meta for yourself. Then there are times where you play to that meta and are lying your ass off. So don't pull that crap card. Its the one time we fall for it we need to worry about.

by **Metsfanmax** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:36 pm

@rish: what is the deadline for day actions?

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:41 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:@rish: what is the deadline for day actions?

48 hours after day start

by **StorrZerg** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:45 pm

Simple, mtamburini activity isn't indicative of his alignment, and the reason I requested to replace, because I town read him.

As for you, what have you done? Your on my balls this day, salty I gave you little credit for streaker lynch (which I stand by, you had little impact on convincing anyone to switch. )

Claiming you denied going to the dark side, I mean I believe something came to you. But that doesn't buy you a free town pass lol.

by **got tonkaed** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:53 pm

Did IB state if he knew who visited? It seems like that would clear this up to an extent. At the very least it would make for a pretty simple vig shot.

by **StorrZerg** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:57 pm

He doesn't know

by **rishaed** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:11 pm

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:@rish: what is the deadline for day actions?

48 hours after day start

^ I am slightly lenient on this one right now, but end of today is the last i'll be accepting.

by **HotShot53** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:15 pm

rishaed wrote:
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:@rish: what is the deadline for day actions?

48 hours after day start

^ I am slightly lenient on this one right now, but end of today is the last i'll be accepting.

Good thing I asked, or else we all would have missed visiting anyone today and no-one would get to be a vig lol. So... who is around tonight that is trusted enough to get one of those vig shots?

by **Iron Butterfly** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:21 pm

got tonkaed wrote:Did IB state if he knew who visited? It seems like that would clear this up to an extent. At the very least it would make for a pretty simple vig shot.

I have stated several times what happened. Read the god damn posts.

@Storr you have no clue what I have done for Town. You seem to think manipulating players to give you their vote is the end all to this game and because youhave your perspective we should take you at your word.

So yeh I'm on your balls. We spend so much time worrying about your vote harvesting and gifting abilities for the second day now that we ignore the other players.
Mitch and Hotshot have done nothing. Tonk has done nothing. Virus has offered nothing and is lurking. Mtam is AWOL yet another game....

by **StorrZerg** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:25 pm

yeah, so why dont you get off my balls then and actually try and find mafia?

why didnt you mention marash

by **StorrZerg** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:26 pm

Marashu, whats your best guess for what i am, and my alignment

by **HotShot53** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:41 pm

Mod confirmed I have my vote back today.

Sorry I have been too busy to keep up with any of the mafia games as much as I would like to... I will try to take the time tomorrow to look at some people in more depth, and i'm off friday so should defiantly have more time then.

by **StorrZerg** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:56 pm

are you visiting me hotshot?

by **Marashu** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:10 pm

StorrZerg wrote:Marashu, whats your best guess for what i am, and my alignment

Well, for D1 I was thinking that you were Moiraine (giving coins with weaves[magic] on them) and town, but I no longer believe that. And right now things about your visit power aren't adding up, but that will be very easy to check once we have people visit you, so at the moment I don't know why you would lie about it. Now I'm wondering if you're Elayne, but she doesn't really start making funky items (inventor) until a much later book, and I have reasons to believe that our roles are more closely based on what the characters are capable of as of book 1. So, yeah, right now the character who fits best is Fain - you could go by undetected for a while if people don't visit you, but you had 3 people visit you D1. Do you have anything flavour-wise about what your traded items actually are? Either way, I don't think you're one of the Two Rivers characters, and if our day actions are based on character interactions but you trade no matter who comes to visit you, then I'm not really seeing that as any of the Light-aligned characters. MAYBE the Green Man.

by **got tonkaed** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:25 pm

Some of this flavor spec doesnt mean a ton without some hints on alignment. Are you thinking storr is less likely to be town or more?

by **StorrZerg** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:40 pm

go got tonk, why shouldn't you be lynched/ shot in the night.

by **Marashu** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:50 pm

got tonkaed wrote:Some of this flavor spec doesnt mean a ton without some hints on alignment. Are you thinking storr is less likely to be town or more?

Fain is scum. Mordeth is worse. Either one would result in a town loss. He asked me for role/alignment reads. The only role reads I get are flavour-driven, and those are scum-aligned. I feel like his plays have been town, though. But I also feel like Storr is a strong enough player to be able to help the town as scum and still win, so it's really difficult to tell based on that. I'm just having a hard time seeing how his role is town-aligned, even if it's giving out town-aligned powers (because hey, something may seem well-meaning, but the motives may not be the best). With this role, he's playing up how helpful it is to town, and at this point he doesn't need to do anything scummy with the votes, so "it's win/win for the town" apparently.

Does that make sense? With very obscure exceptions, I'm having a hard time seeing his role (as I guess it) as being non-scum, but his plays are town enough to make me question whether that is his role. So I'm having a hard time reading his alignment, but if I had to guess his role, it's non-town. Not really confident until after we get our day action results back, though.

On an unrelated note, mtam, you were using a night action on me - any thoughts now?

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