[Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [8/14] D4:Twisted Pattern

[mtamburini]

Well since we are in night phase, the people i have town are as follows

Mtamb
Wing
Mets
DD5



and scummy reads within
Mars
End
IB

Agree with everything, except I dont understand mets Ill re read him but I think you should add IB town, I dont think his early game calling me town and then trying to get me pressured into a lynch when I have been adk is scum indicative BUT I think its just him more frustrated of my lack of participation to help figure shit out.

Also I read one of his posts about streaker trying to learn how to play etc etc I dont think he would call out his mafia partner like that and BUS this early.

Now its interesting that he just wrote his name in red and didnt flip an allignment. Something to consider in later days for those that are alive. ALSO my night action will be used on on MARS.

[StorrZerg]

honestly doubt mafia mets would be this crazy. I mean i intentionally was pressing his buttons, so if he is faking it this well then he deserves the win.

[StorrZerg]

o and mafia mets never unvotes there. He knows he doesn't have enough swing to go anywhere and might as well get credit for streaker lynch.
Or mafia mets never actually follows me period. pretty confident on that.

[madmitch]

well I take it if we are all talking and not trying to kill anyone we must be town I hope.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Haha, thats a dangerous conclusion Madmitch.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Indeed Mtam, Mars has already said that their is scope for multiple factions within the story so may not be quite as simple as town vs mafia.

[madmitch]

well mttam said he was going to use his night action on mars in any other game night action usually is a mafia thing but in this game we can not be sure

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

In the most basic game, Cop and Doc have night actions as well as Mafia Goons. The term night action is not alignment indicative, it just means Mtam is not a vanilla townie.

Mad, can i advise that you in a future game you dont play, but instead shadow the mod so you see how people play their night actions and the effect they have on the game.

[Iron Butterfly]

Did anyone realize GotTonkaed was playing this game??

[Endgame422]

Did anyone realize GotTonkaed was playing this game??

Yep.
Hasnt posted in 5 days or so and his only read so far has been that i am scum for pushing mitch early.
Had no input on the streaker lynch despite definetly being in the forum.( i thought this strange when i saw him in another thread 2 days ago)
If it were D2 he would get my vote on that alone.

[HotShot53]

Did anyone realize GotTonkaed was playing this game??

I wonder if he remembers that he's playing?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Did anyone realize GotTonkaed was playing this game??

Nope, completely forgot.

[madmitch]

I sorry I might not be the best player yet but I am in three games and have not forgotten to play .I hope they have good enough reasons .. I do not want to make quick judge ments on them, hope they post soon..

[StorrZerg]

So votes and comments on Streaker.
(ib votes him first but clearly joke vote no credit)

IB pushes streaker for real. Light scum read because he is more interested in the mechanics of my role (i think ill be needing to move ib to null area i think and not scummy, didn't realize he was vocal against streaker early like this, as well as he leaves his vote here from pretty early on till the end. So thats good, still dont get a mega town vibe from him like i do from dd5)

2nd person vocal about Streaker is dd5. DD5 case is more in depth, and less of a whim i like this. He gains tons of town cred for this. (As well for following up his case questioning streaker more, questioning others about streakers behavior. )

virus opinion

dd just came with 1 massive post and streaker posts more often but their fight distracts me from forming an opinion at the moment.

Comment seems strange, unwilling to give an opinion. Basically says he is confused. I dont think streaker/dd5 really had a fight either. I would understand this statement regarding mets vs me. Since that absolutely was a blood bath.

Now the lynch starts. I make my small case on Streaker, which follows quickly by dd5 who has kept his pressure on streaker the whole time.
(and honestly, if there is someone more confirmed town than me, its dd5)

Hotshot also chimes in as i push my case.

Streaker was looking suspicious to me also, for pretty much those reasons. He'd be my second choice behind endgame.

WHile the streaker case is building, we have endgame push another direction

Looks like storr decided streaker so i imagine thats who it will be,but id rather tal to see if his claim makes sense as someone who cannot make day visits or if scum do not have day visits. His claim could at least provide game mechanics info.

seems kinda awkward in that he knows the lynch will be streaker, yet still fishing for information rather than discussing reads.

Hotshot is the 4th person to move to streaker.
THen mad mitch Nothing much to note from these votes imo.

Mets is the 5th actual vote since i didnt place mitch earlier, He is a more interesting vote. Tensions have been high prior to his vote switch, yet the motivation imo is clear, he wants the claim. Additionally, i don't fault him for believing the claim from streaker when he did claim, he didn't have a strong read on streaker either way, and it lines up with his play. He expected town flip cause generally thats what happens. If he is mafia in this spot, he tries to gain some town cred imo, he doesn't do what he did because it just looks terrible. And when your mafia, thats something you can't shake, how do i look when i do what i do.


Also of note, end now says he is willing to hammer streaker, before streaker had claimed. ITs good mitch vote was delayed, or we could have had no information about mafia fake claims

Wing being cautious about streaker, always reads him scummy and hasn't seen streaker play mafia yet. I think his drastic change in attitude more than makes up for his cautious stance of streaker during his claim time. What ever he has to say, will be explained latter, and it should make sense. If its something very silly, that wont match up with his attitude with how he left day 1, then id be worried.

I Don't feel good about masrashu's timing when attacking Streakers claim.
1. wing all ready did, and was very forceful about it.
2. If mars is scum, he surly knows he can't save streaker, so he has to say the claim is fake as well.
3. most of the comments are here or there, Overall its nice and helps support wing.
4, lack of wanting to lynch streaker before his claim, or meaningful comments while a lynch was building regarding streaker.



With that I think the new scum list im looking into would be
Virus
Mars
End
Got Tonk

null would be
madmitch
hotshot
IB
Talapus

Town being
dd5
mtamb
wing
Storr
Mets

[Talapus]

Did anyone realize GotTonkaed was playing this game??

He's be absent elsewhere too so something must be up in RL with him.

I see a lot of people in here discussing and that's great but all the rule says is some night chatter. I have never played a game of Rish's before and am all too familiar with nightkills happening for talking too much. So is he really ok with us all carrying on like it is a normal day, or does it just have to be toned down? I just don't want to jump in and oversay something. Thanks!

[StorrZerg]

He said no talk beyond the grave is all. And night chat was fine.

[StorrZerg]

If you are q I questioning it, just pm the mod

[StorrZerg]

marashu whats up
mod was on and made no comment, lets hear what you have to say

[Marashu]

Right now, I'm thinking that mitch is town. Storr is probably town, and if he is, then mtam is for sure town (if Storr isn't, then mtam is still likely town, but I'd be feeling less strongly about it). I still have a weird feeling about mets, but that might just be part of me wanting to be stubborn. I might need to go back and re-evaluate him. Wing I feel neutral, leaning town. I'm feeling that dd5 is very town - I feel like dd5's case on Streaker was much stronger than Storr's case on Streaker. I'm neutral leaning scum for Talapus - mostly what I got from him was confusing, and not very helpful. I do feel like IB is town. Hotshot, I dunno. It was weird the way he waited for a while leading us on with not telling us he traded his vote, but that might have just been scumhunting. After D1 I now feel like End might be scum - he asked for information before making a case, I volunteered some to read what he would do with it, and nothing ever came of it. Besides the quote that Storr provided in his big analysis of the vote on Streaker, I don't really remember anything that virus has contributed. That said, it's a strange quote, and I could see Virus being scum. Is it possible for GT to be some sort of Day Commuter? Did he post at all after the day actions happened? Actually, if GT is who Talapus targeted, that would make a lot of sense.

Indeed Mtam, Mars has already said that their is scope for multiple factions within the story so may not be quite as simple as town vs mafia.

Well, yes and no. Most of these factions appear in later books - the only faction that might show up in a book 1 game is Mordeth, a separate evil entity that has nothing to do with the main light vs shadow story of the books. In the stories, this thing is trapped within the ruins of an ancient city, where a predatory fog roams. Those who take things from the city (whether they pick it up and take it, or accept it as an offer from the strange person who cannot stand in the light) allow that evil to escape. Which is why it's important that we test whether HS and mitch get their votes back D2. Otherwise, I would expect this to be light vs shadow (town vs mafia). The fact that Streaker flipped as a Myrdraal is telling in that it looks like the scum won't all be named villains. Don't know if they'll have trollocs as well as myrdraal, but I would guess the only named villain on their side we would have to deal with is Baalzamon.

ALSO my night action will be used on on MARS.

Unless you're a vig (which, I'll admit, if you are who I think you are, it is a possibility), that's fine. I'd prefer if you went for someone scummier, but since a lot of town seem to think that I've been acting scummy, then no worries.

[Iron Butterfly]

Stupid play on Mtams part. IF matam claims Vig and Mars flips Town Mtam needs to be lynched.

Pure scum move to broadcast visiting someone. All that does is fluster others into deciding should they watch,track protect and generally waste resources better served else where. waste resources better served elsewhere.

[dd515087]

Did anyone realize GotTonkaed was playing this game??

Haha no not at all.

I don't believe Storr is town at all, could be 3rd party though. Mars loses points for his last post on this page in my book.

[Iron Butterfly]

What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?

Do NOT take candy from strangers.

More will be revealed.

[StorrZerg]

Tomorrow going to be easy day, only going to allow at most, 2 of the 4 people im hard town reading to visit.

And if none of them want to visit, so be it. Might be willing to consider hotshot/mitch since they visited day 1.

Additionally, the false paranoia about people not getting votes back will be put to rest, nearly positive when people traded votes mod told them it was JUST for the day.

I do suspect someone who is "scared of me" is going to die tonight.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I thought you had no control over who visited you?

"I do suspect someone who is "scared of me" is going to die tonight." Either because you are mafia and are making the kill or because you just wrote that. Congrats its a self fulfilling prophecy now and does nothing to make you town.

[StorrZerg]

I don't have control, but it serves no purpose for others to visit me other than those that i believe to be town. Thus, if someone unknown or scummy visits me, we lynch them.
They can't hide not being able to vote. People want to limit me, thats fine, we should limit it further by only allowing people who are the least likely to be mafia visit. the fewer people who visit, and the bigger the town read they have, means the least likely chance mafia get information on what powers town is handed.