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[got tonkaed]

There was a mass claim. I believe it could be either based on my bolded statement.

[mtamburini]

There was a mass claim. I believe it could be either based on my bolded statement.

This statement is dumb on all accounts, if you say me not claiming is going to attract votes to me then why would i just not claim them to avoid that?

[strike wolf]

Mtam please claim who you disarmed N1 and N4. Your information could catch someone in a lie about being a vt or a power role. This is why I want you to say the actions for those nights.

Charm I think is town. Storr is what he claims or he would have known I didnt have a vote when he tried to hammer Tal yesterday. Mudpuppy is town. I dont like a lot about GT's play. I dont like how he put Mitch back at L-2 this early in the game. However the VT claim makes sense with a lot of what he has said and done (skill lynch actions and uncertainty with how spells relate to actions). Streaker has brought up the flavor of Sectum Sempra two or three times in his argument against Mudpuppy than denies that his argument has anything to do with flavor. Ignores that I brought up how Mudpuppy did not contradict himself.

[got tonkaed]

It isn't that hard.

Let's say for instance you are lying or have a safe claim with Harry. It would seemingly work because no one has done any action on you that is alignment indicative.

You are pushing Dazza. If dazza isn't lying and Mudpuppy is not scum, then his investigative ability goes down the drain. Mudpuppy is cleared but who cares right?

If you are scum and there is a wagon on any one of your scum partners right now (mitch? maybe the mod just crushed us with power safe claims) then you divide the vote.

Since you tend to reply in short responses and drag out any kind of communication, the wagons split and we end up rebooting near the deadline, lynch either dazza or a nobody and the scum win another day.

Or you could be town and you could just do the thing that people are asking you to do and hopefully provide clarity.

Strike - if scum were coming in to hammer it would have happened by now.

[mtamburini]

Mtam please claim who you disarmed N1 and N4. Your information could catch someone in a lie about being a vt or a power role. This is why I want you to say the actions for those nights.

Charm I think is town. Storr is what he claims or he would have known I didnt have a vote when he tried to hammer Tal yesterday. Mudpuppy is town. I dont like a lot about GT's play. I dont like how he put Mitch back at L-2 this early in the game. However the VT claim makes sense with a lot of what he has said and done (skill lynch actions and uncertainty with how spells relate to actions). Streaker has brought up the flavor of Sectum Sempra two or three times in his argument against Mudpuppy than denies that his argument has anything to do with flavor. Ignores that I brought up how Mudpuppy did not contradict himself.

I dont understand your town reads on MP and Charm. Please explain further

[mtamburini]

If youre basing your reads based on the fact they lost a wand, Id look at RAIGAN lynch, did he not have a spell he could cast as well>? Losing a wand is not allignment indicative.

[strike wolf]

You know Ive been debating for a while whether to black list you from my games. You throw tantrums, you actively antagonize everyone for little to no reason instead of explain your reads and half the timw you dont read the threadsn. Thank you for giving me the final reason I needed to black list you from any future game I host.

Ive explained why I think Charm and Mud are likely town and you taking their wands has nothing to do with it. Now answer the question about who you disarmed N1 and N4. If you have some legitimate reason for witholding this information explain it.

[mtamburini]

It isn't that hard.

Let's say for instance you are lying or have a safe claim with Harry. It would seemingly work because no one has done any action on you that is alignment indicative.

You are pushing Dazza. If dazza isn't lying and Mudpuppy is not scum, then his investigative ability goes down the drain. Mudpuppy is cleared but who cares right?

If you are scum and there is a wagon on any one of your scum partners right now (mitch? maybe the mod just crushed us with power safe claims) then you divide the vote.

Since you tend to reply in short responses and drag out any kind of communication, the wagons split and we end up rebooting near the deadline, lynch either dazza or a nobody and the scum win another day.

Or you could be town and you could just do the thing that people are asking you to do and hopefully provide clarity.

Strike - if scum were coming in to hammer it would have happened by now.

Dont you think if someone was lying Id be all over it by now? Thus far everyone has been "truthful" which is still not allignment indicative. Anyone see DD btw?

[mtamburini]

You know Ive been debating for a while whether to black list you from my games. You throw tantrums, you actively antagonize everyone for little to no reason instead of explain your reads and half the timw you dont read the threadsn. Thank you for giving me the final reason I needed to black list you from any future game I host.

Ive explained why I think Charm and Mud are likely town and you taking their wands has nothing to do with it. Now answer the question about who you disarmed N1 and N4. If you have some legitimate reason for witholding this information explain it.

Thanks for brining relevant information to the game blacklisting me from your future games.

I guess the haters going to hate hate hate hate hate> Im just going to shake shake shake shake shake it off.

[StorrZerg]

Why don't you just do it? Everyone else has. It is like you are literally trying to pull votes to yourself for being obstinate.

Do you think me not claiming is more scum or town indicative based on your bolded statement?

My claim brings no new information to the table nor does it confirm anyones allignemnt

Neither, it's disruptive.

[StorrZerg]

@Strike making out of game threats when you are not the mod is low.

[mtamburini]

You know Ive been debating for a while whether to black list you from my games. You throw tantrums, you actively antagonize everyone for little to no reason instead of explain your reads and half the timw you dont read the threadsn. Thank you for giving me the final reason I needed to black list you from any future game I host.

Ive explained why I think Charm and Mud are likely town and you taking their wands has nothing to do with it. Now answer the question about who you disarmed N1 and N4. If you have some legitimate reason for witholding this information explain it.

Regardless of your alignment this is probably the shadiest thing Ive seen in a long time

[mtamburini]

Why don't you just do it? Everyone else has. It is like you are literally trying to pull votes to yourself for being obstinate.

Do you think me not claiming is more scum or town indicative based on your bolded statement?

My claim brings no new information to the table nor does it confirm anyones allignemnt

Neither, it's disruptive.

Youre not allowed to talk to me

[got tonkaed]

It is hard to know how much you are reading the thread to spot the liars. I don't hold it against you, you were gone and probably missed 20-30 pages of content.

The problem is if you are disarming that is not necessarily alignment indicative either. It works with the theme that it would be HP, but again if we got crushed by the mod with power safe claims then stuff happens i guess.

we could always lynch dudley

[mtamburini]

It is hard to know how much you are reading the thread to spot the liars. I don't hold it against you, you were gone and probably missed 20-30 pages of content.

The problem is if you are disarming that is not necessarily alignment indicative either. It works with the theme that it would be HP, but again if we got crushed by the mod with power safe claims then stuff happens i guess.

we could always lynch dudley

Due to the sour taste in my mouth right now I wont be claiming at all.

[StorrZerg]

Why don't you just do it? Everyone else has. It is like you are literally trying to pull votes to yourself for being obstinate.

Do you think me not claiming is more scum or town indicative based on your bolded statement?

My claim brings no new information to the table nor does it confirm anyones allignemnt

Neither, it's disruptive.

Youre not allowed to talk to me

What you gonna do, disarm me again lol

[got tonkaed]

lol.

So much for shaking it off.

[mtamburini]

9. Endgame422
10. Streaker
16. dazza2008
17. MudPuppy
22. dd515087
24. charm

These are the people I would lynch today, streaker being more at the end of the list.

[mtamburini]

lol.

So much for shaking it off.

Yeah the more i thought about it the more it made me sick of how gutless of a comment it was considering the game is still going on.

[StorrZerg]

unvote
vote mtamburini

I'm willing to play chicken with you.


Your going to act like a baby right now that's fine. Why don't you attempt to play the game and be helpful. You want discussion, it's a 2 way street.

[mtamburini]

Why don't you just do it? Everyone else has. It is like you are literally trying to pull votes to yourself for being obstinate.

Do you think me not claiming is more scum or town indicative based on your bolded statement?

My claim brings no new information to the table nor does it confirm anyones allignemnt

Neither, it's disruptive.

Youre not allowed to talk to me

What you gonna do, disarm me again lol

You still climing wandless?

[aage]

Being able to stop a vigi shot but not the mafia night kill is very unlikely tbh.

So, your logic is that only town can use a killing spell? That's like saying only a vig can have a gun in a standard game.

You continue your sketchiness. I can't prove anything but you are scum in my book.

No, that's not what I said. Town using a killing power is fine, that's what vigs are for. Doctors are normally able to stop any kill power from killing their target, regardless of whether it's a vigilante shot or a mafia night kill.

My logic is that a protective role protects the town from mafia. You claimed a role that protects the target against a vig kill, but not against the mafia kill. First of all, what is the point of blocking a vig kill? Second of all, what would be the point of your role if you can't block the mafia kill? That is why it is unlikely and that is why it is suspect.

That is exactly what you said... and just reconfirmed. You are concluding that because town was caught with a gun (sectumsempra) and scum hasn't that no scum could have that particular model of gun.

I have not claimed a role that fails to protect against a mafia kill... you've failed to acknowledge (or more likely chosen to ignore) the likelihood that mafia could be skilled in the use of this particular killing spell.

I've suspected you since you lied about your reasons for voting Storr on D1 and your scummy play continues: Vote aage

Wow, I never expected you to haul up the Storr stuff from day 1 again. I think I explained already back then. I cast a vote, stuff happened, then said "the reason I'm voting Storr" instead of "the reason I'm keeping my vote on Storr". If this is your case against me, it's not really surprising it didn't get traction.
Now let's try the current argument again.

I really don't see how this is a wrong line of reasoning.
1. you claim a protective role;
2. you can cure someone who was targeted by a vigi;
3. you can't cure someone who was targeted by the mafia night kill;
= this is an unlikely protective role heavily based on flavour.

I simply question your claim about being able to cure a vig kill, but not a maf kill. It's a very gimmicky claim based on the only two death related spells we know. Hell, we don't even know for sure mafia uses Avada Kedavra because it's never been in the flavour, but what we do know is that you didn't claim it as one of the spells that you could cure. (This is odd anyway; why would you get the names of other people's powers in your role pm?) I do not see why this role would be in the game at all.

[aage]

9. Endgame422
10. Streaker
16. dazza2008
17. MudPuppy
22. dd515087
24. charm

These are the people I would lynch today, streaker being more at the end of the list.

Reasons for this particular list?

[StorrZerg]

@Mtamburini yes. First one to claim wandless. Still wandless

[StorrZerg]

Why streaker lower? He claimed to use power on me n1, same night you said I would die if I was a liar. I didn't get a gift. Same stuff regarding why rage claimed to visit me n1. Why would streaker consider me..