[Official] HP Mafia - MVP: Aage - Archive

[strike wolf]

Strike comments on virus or dazza, and got a case?

Im swamped at work right now so can only make drive by posts on my phone but if I finish in the next hour Im going to take a half day and then I can present my case (Virus and/or Aage pending reread were going to be the other possible case. I mostly agree with the Virus assessment and dont have much to add to it. Still have not reread on Aage). Right now:

Virus=scummy
Dazza=I dont really have a good read on him right now. Id lean slightly town but nothing he has done stands out when I try to recall his play. Could mean hes been flying under the radar could just mean that most of his posts I found generically townish. Yet at the same ime, I feel like I had a scummish vibe from him earlier.

[Talapus]

Another issue I have with you: why do you keep hammering on about cult???

He asked me to answer his question about my thoughts on this yesterday and then it's my fault for hammering on it....lol, classic

Is "he" me? I asked about the Dumbledore claim in regards to mafia, not cult. Until there is evidence of cult I couldn't care less about cult.

You also asked me to elaborate on the masons thought I had. Just because you don't like the fact I had masons and cult caught up together in the same thought just like yesterday doesn't mean you get to be picky on my answer. I said we may disagree and here we are.

But what bothers me is that you connected the claimed roles to cult, not to mafia.

Again, you don't have to like my train of thought. But I call BS that all the big names in this game would be mafia, if they are bad they would be cult as I mentioned and we already know your stance on that. What the hell would the mod be doing making Dumbledore, Ron, Hermoine, and HP scum? For what reason, it goes totally against the books and story.

What also bothers me is that you didn't answer my question. I don't care that we still don't know if there is a real Dumbledore, I want to know if you think it was a fake claim or a lure.

You should care if there is a real Dumbledore, but as to what I THINK I really want to think that Dumbledore is still in the game and some complete tool claimed it thinking no one would counterclaim or respond. So ballsy as hell. But again I don't THINK the mod would have given the biggest names as fake claims to mafia. I don't buy the lure part really, our one and only claimed HP hasn't had anything happen and he claimed before Rag.

If we want to really entertain the thought that the big names are fake claims as all have outed themselves, then why are we even discussing this day. Lynching Ron or HP to see what happens would seem like a far faster solution to solving the whole dilemma.

The fact that Endgame is going off a list Rag made really surprises me as I'd doubt Rag would ever state on there they were fully suspicious of scum buddies. But it makes for an interesting case to look back at day2 and see who defended him or followed him with voting and such.

[StorrZerg]

Talapus because you can't just have mafia being clear bad evil characters with no way to hide themselves. If their fake claims are all lesser known characters, then we could just mass claim and lynch all the unknown characters. That isn't mafia. That's abusing a bad setup. I very much believe mafia have strong claims.

I do not believe we have Dumbledore, he was a fake claim for mafia. Hence why he claimed it. He didn't know flavor, and his flip didn't point to a specific power. He fudged the claim badly as well.

[Talapus]

Tal, if you had 1 bullet today who'd you use it on?

This question caught me off guard. I actually had to sit and think about it. After flipping back through several vote counts and looking at rag's list I think strike is onto something with being suspicious of aage. I'm sure people will think I'm scummy or something for saying it too, but not one vote count the first few days I looked at had those too voting for same person. Rag also lists him as no read. If I had one shot Streeaker I think I'd send it his way.

When home from work today will look back and try to clarify more but I hoonestly haven't really thought about it until now with him. Never really saw it but there may be something there so now must look.

[Talapus]

Talapus because you can't just have mafia being clear bad evil characters with no way to hide themselves. If their fake claims are all lesser known characters, then we could just mass claim and lynch all the unknown characters. That isn't mafia. That's abusing a bad setup. I very much believe mafia have strong claims.

I do not believe we have Dumbledore, he was a fake claim for mafia. Hence why he claimed it. He didn't know flavor, and his flip didn't point to a specific power. He fudged the claim badly as well.

You may be right storr, but I can say in the many games I have played here I have never been in massive flavor game like this where all the good or best roles from the books would be given to the mafia as fake claims. If this is true then we need to be looking at Ron and HP instead of endgame, aage, dazza and elsewhere.

[StorrZerg]

As for the big 3
pixar, still claimed medic and psned. No reason to lunch
Madmitch half claimed.
mtamburini, pushed rage early day 1 before he claimed.

While one could be scum, I doubt all or even 2. Being 1/3 guess when other leads are avaliable.

[dazza2008]

Later today I will re-read the people who are getting some pressure (virus, end, talapus, dazza) to see if I agree with any of the cases enough to vote them.

I've been getting pressure? Must have missed that. Just really endgame thinking I am scum buddy of the doc

[dd515087]

Alright it's really nice that we're all talking about who we think could be scum while only five? of us have actually cast votes. Let's start putting pressure somewhere people.

[StorrZerg]

Dd5 do you have a wand?

[dazza2008]

Ragian surely knew he was being lynched when he posted that list so i would not expect much help from that. He probably only posted that to f*ck with towns heads. I know Rage this is why I think this but taking a list made by any scum is surely a risk. Would people normally take them this serious? It seems odd to me.

Anyway I will vote Endgame suspected him the most for most of the game and seeing nothing to change that.

[StorrZerg]

Why do you think end is scum. You give no reason, other than earlier in the game, and expect people to remember it? Additionally do you have any comment with others pushing him?

[madmitch]

the only problem I have is the two so called messages about killing Harry ,I do not think scum would send them because if harry dies so does voldemort according to the books,so they couldd be both great bluffs or just falsehoods. as for me I am pro town and if you doubt that then hang me at least I can protect my friends when your eyes are on me. now for the fun part I VOTEVIRUS like I did before and this time I am not changing it VOTE VIRUS

[HotShot53]

Later today I will re-read the people who are getting some pressure (virus, end, talapus, dazza) to see if I agree with any of the cases enough to vote them.

I've been getting pressure? Must have missed that. Just really endgame thinking I am scum buddy of the doc

A couple people have mentioned you as possible scum from what I remember, and I don't remember many people having strong town reads on you... so maybe for you it's more of suspicion than pressure at this point.

So, looking at the ones I mentioned:

Virus - started off the day voting for BG(now strike v2.0) for tunneling on storr. Next post unvotes BG because no-one joined his case, and he joined the sempaii bandwagon because he now sees the case better (since in the previous post he said he didn't see the case). Questioned endgame a couple times as footnotes, but didn't bring any pressure or vote him. Next he calls out some people for inactivity, and joins the mtam bandwagon because he didn't like how mtam half claimed some sort of ability but didn't full claim. After mtam's claim, tried to start a case on mudpuppy for not following through with his potential case building. Didn't post again day 1 so didn't participate in the decision of which town to lynch.

Day 2 - only made 3 posts in the day, said he was busy moving in RL. Called out inactives, and after I called him on that he said since he was inactive and getting away with it, scum might be also. Could be said from a legitimately busy town perspective, or from a scum trying to start easy pressure and getting caught at it. Ended the day voting sniper, because that's where the wagon was.

Day 3 - made 2 posts, stating the obvious that rage should be lynched, nothing else really.

Day 4 - says he has no idea why he was mentioned in the note. Likes end's posting of rage's list, and wants to look at the neutrals on it, though doesn't do or say anything more than his attention will be on them.

Overall... has done very little, jumped on most of the bandwagons. The two "cases" he tried to start on day 1 didn't go anywhere, he didn't even follow up with either of them. Says he's been suspicious of charm since day 1, but looking back he never actually said he was suspicious of her day 1 (or 2 or 3). In other games virus often doesn't post much, but what he does post is very towny when he is town... and I don't see any very towny posts by him in this game. The combination of his lack of activity, lack of content, and lack of very towny posts will make me vote virus

I'm out of time for now, got to get back to work... so will look at the others in depth later

FP by mitch

[Talapus]

I am ok with applying pressure. Kind of looks like a toss up between virus and endgame.

For now I will place it here: Vote: endgame looks like virsu has more votes than him right now so I guess can help balance the pressure out

Still at work but when I have time tonight will look back through game thread on other things.

[virus90]

so you push till i claim? i gladly do so, i cryptically referenced it in my first post.

I can agree to this not being my strongest town game ever. but i moved last weekend of may and have been working in my new home the weeks before and after the move in the evenings after work, so i had no chance at keeping up with this game and its 2000+! posts.
at the moment im away for a week for some well deserved (my opinion) vacation. unfortunately i left my notes on the game on my desk at home so im a bit in the blind about the first days, but i have some time now to keep up with the game.
i certainly believe pressure on me is legitamate for not doing much first 3 days. but this is what i always find strange. the first 3 days i post about nothing. now i get active and certainly people start voting me.

as for me day 3. june 2 i clearly doubted big name claims of people. day 3 dumbledore/ragian was caught and for me it was a closed case. i was willing to vote/(bring him close to) hammer. but people wanted to discuss some more and stuff. was said it would be scummy if i voted him and he would turn up town by someone. etc.

as for me voting mtam. mtam said he was gonna kill storr, and nobody questioned it, i basicly was the first to realy question his remark about killing storr at all. he didnt answer my questions either. also he claimed to kill or something and by day 2. storr hadnt died nor was there evidence of a vig kill or anything. so the questions needed to be answered at some point. and since he didnt do it the 3 times before i voted him.

its absolutely true that i haven't made cases myself i tried so day 1 when i had time to do so. and they didnt get any attention. after that i have had problems keeping up with the game, building a case costs me hours of research generally in a game like this about 3-4 hours. time i haven't had. so i had to follow the cases of others and my notes.

I would say; take a look at mudpuppy.

[dazza2008]

Why do you think end is scum. You give no reason, other than earlier in the game, and expect people to remember it? Additionally do you have any comment with others pushing him?

I said on page 83 though. Not really that far back in the game.

It seemed to me that he was voting for a claim rather than who he suspected. I could go back and get a load of quotes and shit but I simply don't have the time. I am trying my best with what time I do have.

Then him still pushing for Pix seems mega scummy to me. I agree pix play's been shite but that is what Pix does. I explained that because I know it's true, you(stor) know he never plays the best or pays the most attention to games. This game is bigger than the rest so it will be worse.

Then he is trying to tie me and pix to Rage. It's obvious to me that Rage was defending pix to gain town credit. I know he does this because he has in the past as scum.

[StorrZerg]

Big ball o nothing virus

[strike wolf]

For the sake of this count I am going to assume that Cult exists:

2. StorrZerg-Third party>Cult>mafia>Town. Why would he lie as town about being third party? Possible but unlikely.

3. *Pixar*-Town=Cult>Mafia>Third Party. I think between the ability and the strength of the claim that seems likely it was a real claim. If there is a cult in the game, he was a likely recruit.

4. got tonkaed-Mafia>Cult>Town>Third Party. Don't trust him. Case pending.

6. mtamburini>Town>Cult>Mafia>third Party. I have a very difficult time believing that HP is not in this game as town at least at the start. Needs to be replaced by someone who is actually willing to play.

8. Talapus-Mafia>third party>town>Cult. He's contradicted himself on why he suggested that Ron, Harry and Hermione claims couldn't be trusted. Yesterday his reasons were obviously connected to Rage flipping scum and Dumbledore as a fake claim. Now it's about cult recruiting the major characters. If we don't end up lynching both Virus and streaker he should be lynched by the end of tomorrow. His going after cult today makes mafia seem more likely to me.

9. Endgame422-Cult>Mafia>Third Party>town. Cult over mafia is just a vibe I get but his defense today on top of the case that was already there definitely strikes me as scummy.

10. Streaker-town>cult>mafia>third party. This one was difficult. I kind of think he is town but it's very slight. He could easily be something else. If Virus flips scum, he should probably be made to claim if not lynched.

11. aage-Cult>town>mafia>third party. Too active to really think he is third party unless he is pulling a Storr. I feel like his play has changed a little bit. This could just be his scumminess coming to the surface. Could mean that he's been recruited. Still pending full reread of him, I would believe town over mafia.

14. virus90-Mafia>town>third party>Cult. Others have made the case. He's been scummy. Needs to claim.

15. madmitch-Town=Cult>Mafia>Third Party. Similar to Pixar but less on the strengh of his claim. If there is a second fake claim (or one if Rage's claim was a ballsy play) in the big 4 roles, this is where I would expect it to fall as of right now. Really hate his flavor based play. Easy way for scum to lay low but if he is town it doesn't help anyone.

16. dazza2008-town>mafia>cult>third party. As I said earlier. I don't have a strong read on him. WHat I do have I think he is town.

17. MudPuppy-mafia=cult>third party>Town. I said it day 2 and GT (even though i don't trust him) made a similar point day 3. He has seemed to go out of his way to do the thing that seems townie rather than the thing that is actually townie much of the game.

20. sempaispellcheck-town>cult>third party>mafia. I really doubt mafia has a double voter. Especially if they already have a vote stealer. Just for the sake of both of those being on mafia's side and a poisoner would be difficult to balance. Recruited cult is possible. Third party maybe. Regardless he shouldn't be the focus. Recruits for cults would be secondary after finding out there is a cult and trying to lynch the recruiter.

21. HotShot53-mafia=cult>third party>town. I will see if my opinion changes as he becomes more active in the game but his general behavior hasn't seemed very helpful to town and could definitely be a scum tell.

22. dd515087-town>scum>third party. I think he's town. If for no other reason he's been pretty transparent as scum in past games and I am not seeing that here. True. He isn't an idiot and could just be learning to play better as scum but I am going with my gut here.

24. charm-Town>mafia>cult=third party. This is kind of close. I could see her turning up mafia and mafia did aim their vote stealing power on themselves day 1 but it comes down so far to player preference that I don't know how much weight that holds.

Case upcoming hopefully in the next three hours.

[mtamburini]

Hi from the Dominican republic anyone wanna give me a little summary of whatsup

[StorrZerg]

end/virus are being pushed today

it would be helpful if you could place a vote, doens't have to be on them.

[StorrZerg]

o and claim how 3rd party survivor i am. that would be great

[Talapus]

8. Talapus-Mafia>third party>town>Cult. He's contradicted himself on why he suggested that Ron, Harry and Hermione claims couldn't be trusted. Yesterday his reasons were obviously connected to Rage flipping scum and Dumbledore as a fake claim. Now it's about cult recruiting the major characters. If we don't end up lynching both Virus and streaker he should be lynched by the end of tomorrow. His going after cult today makes mafia seem more likely to me.

What the heck? I expect better from you strike. I mentioned this yesterday it isn't just a "now" thing. And I'm certainly not going after cult today, people asked me to elaborate on a something I posted yesterday and I did and now because of that you and others think I'm harping on it. Wow, such wasted energy even responding to this becaue now the next person will come along and say the same thing.

No wonder I stopped playing this game. Certain players are really seeing things how they want too.

[StorrZerg]

certain players seeing things how they want to. this must be mafia lol???

[StorrZerg]

i will say i dont believe you contradicted yourself regarding the ron/hermonie/harry.

help lynch mafia, gain some town red

ill say your post on virus vs endgame was weak though. take a real stance on one. "sharing the pressure" isn't doing anything since we still need quite a few people to get to "claim l-2"
and just agreeing with the lynch doesn't necessarily help, need input on how you feel about them.

[Talapus]

Hi from the Dominican republic anyone wanna give me a little summary of whatsup

I get the HP needs help from everyone in the stories at some point or another. But seriously this is ridiculous.