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[charm]

Well I got one of those cryptic messages last night. It stated something about virus needing to strike at the boy and not get distracted. When I get to my computer, I'll paste it in. But, I don't know what to make of it.

Also, someone stole from me again! Not my vote this time! Would that someone like to fess up?

pix do you want to explain how you randomly chose Storr?? that is just ludicrous.

[dazza2008]

O and we should lynch dazza today.

Any reason or just because you like to lynch townies?

Pix's action is crazy but I doubt he even read much to see who the best person to protect was

[StorrZerg]

o yeah virus/ dazza should look into today.

[StorrZerg]

@dazza because you are not playing town. i mean thats to start.

[Endgame422]

What about pix?
I made a bit of case yesterday and Dumbledore being used as a fakeclaim is making me question if we can trust our several claims.
In pixs case he was defended by scum(rage) and is being defended now by dazza(with a poor excuse) for making either a dumb play or just trying to fool us by "protecting" someone who is not very likely to get killed at night anyway.
Ill wait for everyone to check in before i vote but pix is definetly on my list today.

[dazza2008]

Pixar is playing how he always plays as town. That is why I am defending him so to you it may be a poor excuse but to me it makes sense 100%. If you need to lynch anyone to prove me and pix are not scum-buddies please lynch me. I am town but I am not a doc. I beieve pix is.

Storr you went from lynch me to

o yeah virus/ dazza should look into today.

to whatever this is you are attempting to say here. I assume look into us 2 today.

Can you explain why I am not playing as town? I am town and i am playing so you are wrong. I don't have the time to put as much into the game as you but surely it's normal for some to be more active than others.

[dazza2008]

What about pix?
I made a bit of case yesterday and Dumbledore being used as a fakeclaim is making me question if we can trust our several claims.
In pixs case he was defended by scum(rage) and is being defended now by dazza(with a poor excuse) for making either a dumb play or just trying to fool us by "protecting" someone who is not very likely to get killed at night anyway.
Ill wait for everyone to check in before i vote but pix is definetly on my list today.

This is also presuming that me, Rage and Pix are retarded and would all get ourselves tied together early on as scum. Rage as scum always defends town. This is another reason I believe Pix. I can however see why others suspect pix. He never thinks when playing mafia.

[aage]

Anyways, I have a case coming up later tonight. Maybe a second one even depending on how my reread of this player goes. Dega's death is interesting. He was likely going to investigate Aage tonight (or Storr but assuming that even if he is mafia that he was telling the truth about not having a wand there was nothing to fear here). Could have just been mafia getting rid of him before he got something on one of them or it could actually be that Aage is mafia and didn't want the results to come out (though it could also be a frame).

I was expecting something like this when I saw the new topic title. Honestly, I had expected Deg to have checked me on night 1 after our heated discussion, but his track record (get it?) was targeting people of low activity, since he investigated Skillfu and Ragian first. I highly doubt he even targeted me for last night. It's a steaming pile of Wifom, but it's probably easier to say that the mafia got rid of a claimed cop for the sake of it being a claimed cop... Quite a gamble with Pixar still in the game, but apparently Pix randomly decided to target Storr?

As far as Ragian, do we assume now that the Cruciatus Curse is out of the game? I would still like to hear if someone got hit with it last night. They'll either be found to be lying or we'll know that Ragian wasn't the only one who could cast it. As far as claiming Dumbledore, either:

1. It was a given fake claim then
a. This was Mafia's best fake claim
b. Just about no role is safe to be considered town. I kind of doubt this one just because there's little reason to do that unless the mod completely abandoned flavor for role alignment like Storr's Game of Thrones game but that doesn't seem to be the case with pretty much every dead townie, dead third party and dead mafia seems to correspond with their alignment flavor.
2. This wasn't a fake claim he was given by the mod and he went with a risky claim that could have been counter claimed. In this case, there is something of a possibility that the real Dumbledore was on the lynch and stayed unclaimed thinking he could get the lynch without exposing himself.

Both of these are possible, but I said it after Rage claimed and I'll say it again. If there is another Dumbledore in this town, don't claim without pressure, it doesn't give town any info.


No painful death this night. If I recall correctly nobody reported on being poisoned during day 3; the poisoner might have been roleblocked, or the poisoner targeted Wing. Strike, you mentioned Mets was informed that he was targeted by the Crucio curse. Did anyone get a message about this last night? Or did the Crucio curse die with Bellatrix, who is famed for torturing Neville's parents into insanity? This would be valuable info, especially since Ragian didn't flip with a spell. Storr's shared ability theory fits with this too, although I've never seen it before.

Pixar protecting Storr is incomprehensible, but unless another player wants to claim doc I don't want to lynch a claimed doc for a weird action, especially not one who tried to lynch Mtam.

@Storr concerning mafia making a mistake. We don't know if the mafia has the ability to block - if they do, they somehow didn't use it on Deg during N2 otherwise he wouldn't have found Ragian. I agree it's normal for mafia to have a roleblock ability but right now the evidence points in the opposite direction. It's easy to say most people straight up ignored him but that's not entirely true - while he obsessively tried to link you and me, he also gets results as a town cop-like role and had found mafia with it already. In an objective assessment of the situation, getting rid of a claimed cop actually is the best move. In a subjective analysis, I think you're turning the tables; Deg getting killed looks bad on me because we got into very heated arguments, but I don't feel ashamed to say I didn't perceive it as much of a threat to my life, and it actually made it less likely for me to get nightkilled.

[aage]

I believe that puts Rage at L-1. Off the top of my head: virus, charm, talapus, endgame, madmitch, pixar either need to be pressured or talk more tomorrow and if any of them provide the hammer I will find it extraordinarily scummy

I want a motivation for this list. Talapus shouldn't have been in it, imo.

[*Pixar*]

I must say I also got poisoned in the night but I don't know what it did. Btw Epitaph is trying his best to get a replacement for me, as I cant keep up with all of this.

[strike wolf]

This night?

[StorrZerg]

if your psned it doesn't matter just play out the next day lol?

[strike wolf]

This night?

[StorrZerg]

wtf pix your on and you cant answer a simple question common dude ><

[sempaispellcheck]

I think we should target Endgame today. dd made a fantastic case on him at the end of D3 and his response was basically "no, you're wrong" with no attempt to prove such.

Trying to narrow down some options:
Do you guys think it's possible that the vote stealer (Imperius Curse user) is 3rd party and not mafia?
If it's mafia using the curse, then everyone whose vote was stolen and everyone voted for with stolen votes is confirmed at least non-mafia - and which would clear charm, myself, and strike (votes stolen) as well as Pixar (target of charm's stolen vote D2).
Otherwise, the situation is a bit more messy.

FP'ed by a bunch of people.

Sounds like charm got the same message Storr did, but with virus written in instead of Storr.
The last game I played, I was scum, and we had a Framer on our side - seems like there's one here, too.
In that game, I had the Mafia kill, but when I got nightkilled, the kill got passed to one of my teammates, which leads me to believe that Crucio probably didn't die with Ragian, and Pix is probably going to die tonight.

If we're going to look at possible fakeclaims, I say we look at "Ron." mitch's posts have been (by my estimate) about 99.5% flavor.

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[StorrZerg]

what specifically did you like about the case. Other than the response from endgame?
what was it that dd said.

[StorrZerg]

there is so much i dont like with your post. the assumption of a framer, with no indication. (not even a real cop that does alignment checks, hint rage was fake).
The only thing that could make you assume this train of thought, would be that mafia does have a framer, hence why rage claimed cop. even so thats really reaching, and you didnt come to that conclusion yourself (cause you would have said so). So its very strange assumption to make out of the blue.

mitch hasn't even claimed fully, yet you are calling him out for 99% flavor, when its realistically a lot less than that.

Also 3rd party vote stealer, lol? so how does a 3rd party vote stealer then win... Doesn't fit, its an unforgivable curse, aka mafia.
As well as the whole assumption that anyone who had their vote stolen is town. I think its pretty clear, since all of them are alive, that one of them isn't town. Reason being, its early in the game, it doesnt' hurt mafia to use it on self now. (no way to know if they can use it on self or not) Even if they couldn't, why the showing it on every which person.
Problem with this post, its pointing fingers with out any real assertion of where to go (aka not using the votes, waiting to see what happens)

[Endgame422]

Dazza i dont think your retarded im thinking pix is trying to act dumb so we dont lynch him(see strikes too dumb to be scum comment)
You being so willing to die for him kinda validates this thinking that pix is important scum.
Although i suppose hes now been poisoned so i can wait until tomorrow.
If pixar survives the night(again) ill be putting everything into lynching him tomorrow.
Or if dazza shows up as scum that would be enough for me to lynch pix for sure.
FPd by storr

[sempaispellcheck]

My intent on making that post was to bring up potential possibilities based on other games I've played - if it was true there, it could potentially be true here, so keep that in mind.
I probably could have chosen my words better there.

I haven't assumed there is or isn't a Framer - should have said "seems like there could be one here." My bad.
Reading the note you got, it just seems like something mafia could have sent to make Streaker (and now virus) look scummy even if they're not scum.

He's done everything but claim fully, and I highly doubt that I'm the first one to say his posts are almost all flavor (99.5% may be a bit high, but I don't think the actual number is that far off).

3rd party vote stealer was something that had occurred to me as a possibility, and I was asking in the hope that the more experienced players could provide an opinion on whether or not it was viable.
What makes you think it's clear that at least one of those of us who've had our votes stolen isn't town?
Sure it doesn't hurt mafia to steal their own votes, but I don't see how it helps them.

I don't think I'm ready this early in the day to assert where I think we should go. I don't think it will be long before I am, but I'm not right now.

Next post will include my analysis of dd's case on Endgame, and why I like it.

FP'd by Endgame (speak of the devil...)

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[sempaispellcheck]

dd pointed out how Endgame bandwagoned on mtam D1 even though he was "not particularly set on mtam as scum."
The OMGUS vote on me was a bit ridiculous - I had not accused him of being scum, I had simply suggested that the people looking at me should look at him, too - he had bandwagoned just as I had, but he wasn't forced to claim like I was - slipped under the radar maybe?
He also didn't provide much evidence for his reads that hadn't already been provided by others - even into D2. I could see that from a new player (you can argue I've done that), but I don't recall him claiming to be new to mafia.
On D2, he voted for MudPuppy just because MP tried to get a no lynch. Looking at the end of D1 and the two options we eventually decided to choose between (hindsight being 20/20), a no lynch may actually have been our best option - who's to say what kind of scalps our town vig could have gotten us by now?
Also, according to dd, by the time of Endgame's 8th vote, he'd voted for 7 different players and hopped on 5 different bandwagons.
Additionally, his first post on D3 was only fishing for Night Action info, which may not all have been helpful to town - though it probably would have been helpful to mafia.

As for Endgame's defense:
"I tried to push a case, but no one followed me, so I jumped on a wagon."
First, as dd pointed out - he didn't push a case. He just voted with a "meh" type of reason behind it.
Second, if no one follows you, dig up more evidence and do some convincing. Don't just abandon something because nobody wants to pat you on the back and say "Yeah, I'll follow you." Make them curious about where you're going.
"I just asked the openly claimed roles to tell us their NAs."
First of all, if a player has roleclaimed, isn't their NA somewhat obvious, seeing as how it's inherent in the role and all?
Secondly, how does that info help town?
Thirdly, how does that info not help scum?
"I'm guessing the people who weren't on either wagon are more scummy than the people who were on both."
Then why is bandwagoning considered scummy? Very convenient for scum to get behind a mislynch of a player they know to be town.
Unless he's trying to go reverse-reverse-reverse-reverse-psychology on us or something.
"Suspicion on dd for pushing a lynch on me when we have a confirmed scum [Ragian]."
First, this is OMGUS - 2nd time he's done that, at least.
Second, nothing wrong with making a case and saying "let's go after this guy tomorrow" - wasn't that the reason Storr et al didn't want to hang Ragian right away?

Other etceteras that came later:
"Ragian, was Mets town or not?"
We knew at that point that he was town - there was really no reason for Ragian to say that he got a non-town result, so no point in asking this question.
"Ragian defended Pix, therefore Pix fakeclaimed [and is scum buddies with Ragian]"
Possible - or Ragian could have been trying to play town by buddying up to a townie.

And finally, to dd at the end of D3 (spelling and grammar corrected):
"I think you're town but I KNOW you're barking up the wrong tree."
To me, that reads "I'm not going to try to convince you that I'm town, I'm just going to let you find out the hard way."
REALLY not helpful.

His first post today has essentially claimed that Rage, dazza, and Pix are all scum.
Nothing has really jumped out at me about dazza, and I don't have the time to do the research right now, but I'll believe Pix's claim for the moment (he'll probably die tonight anyway, since he's been poisoned.)
Speaking of which, Endgame seems to have never stopped trying to push Pix, even after he claimed town doc.

VOTE ENDGAME

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[dd515087]

First things first, Vote Endgame

These are some responses I tried to make at the end of D3, but I didn't get to before Night:

I believe that puts Rage at L-1. Off the top of my head: virus, charm, talapus, endgame, madmitch, pixar either need to be pressured or talk more tomorrow and if any of them provide the hammer I will find it extraordinarily scummy

HA, you put the guy at L-1 when we are waiting for mt and anyone could hammer right now out of haste or thinking it best move. And the guy that hammers is the scum but not you for completely screwing over the safety window.....ya right

I don't give a shit about waiting for mtam, he's had time. This day has dragged out too long we need the info on Rage's flip to move on in this game. I'd be willing to wait if people actually made cases, but nobody is doing this they're just arguing over insignificant bullshit.

Talapus look, if I see something scummy I call it out. The only other option is ignoring it, which would make playing this game pointless. I don't have to be right with what I say, but it's either that or lurking. And we have enough of the latter ones already.

So dd just brings Rage to L-1, but says that if any of SIX players hammers they're scum. Lol. That don't leave a lot of options to lynch him... Also why do you call the who hammers now scum, as it will most likely flip Rage as scum?
Not much sense there.

I only meant that I would look more into them if they specifically hammered him, but this is only because I have suspicions of them already.

I believe that puts Rage at L-1. Off the top of my head: virus, charm, talapus, endgame, madmitch, pixar either need to be pressured or talk more tomorrow and if any of them provide the hammer I will find it extraordinarily scummy

@dd
so i am scummy if i now vote ragian, get it when i do it and he is town,
but it sounds like you would call it scummy also if he turns out scum.

Because, if I remember correctly this is your first post of D3? And you turn up just to vote? Yeah I don't like that sorry if that's a problem.

[dd515087]

Only 1 nightkill last night? compared to 2 the last night what happen? I did happen to protect storr last night just by random, think it worked?

1) Why the hell would you do that?
2) Poisoner would only kill every other night...

Are you even reading this game or do you just post whatever the hell you want?

I did get a note, streaker swapped our actions of dd5 and myself.
So regarding this, its likely one of streaker/dd5/myself are a liar.
.

What do you mean by note? Like Streaker contacted you and told you actions were switched or like the mod let you know something is up?

Honestly too dd's last post yesterday was scummy hell so him being a liar is totally believable.

Yeah my last post yesterday is SUPER scummy, but this post by you where you reveal that you literally did not read D3 at all and then say I'm scummy based on you not liking one post is SUPER townie. Good job, thanks for the help finding baddies!

I think mafia have a set of abilities, and can share them between each other. Hence "death eater death" and not the exact role.

Things to note, regarding yesterday, I did get a note, streaker swapped our actions of dd5 and myself.
So regarding this, its likely one of streaker/dd5/myself are a liar.

Pixar is dumb. his choice was really dumb, probably more so to faking dumb. at least when he is dumb town. Like, i can't even fathom this choice.

O and we should lynch dazza today.

Why does one of us have to be a liar? Can you elaborate?

I believe that puts Rage at L-1. Off the top of my head: virus, charm, talapus, endgame, madmitch, pixar either need to be pressured or talk more tomorrow and if any of them provide the hammer I will find it extraordinarily scummy

I want a motivation for this list. Talapus shouldn't have been in it, imo.

Virus - inactive, I'm pretty sure he posted once on D3. If he came in just to hammer Ragian I would find that scummy.
Charm - pretty much the same deal as virus. She is a little bit more active, but she seems to be dodging any questions anyone asks.
Talapus - Most of his posts are just bullshit "Hey look I'm active" posts IMO and I don't recall him making a case on anyone this game.
Endgame - do I really have to elaborate more on why he is scum?
Madmitch - pretty inactive, makes a strong name claim, but still does nothing to help town and has pretty much faded into the background
Pixar - He saved STORR last night for christ's sake. STORR!! A claimed 3rd party over a pretty much confirmed townie spy in degaston...

Why don't you think Talapus should be on it? Is he your scum buddy?

[charm]

Here is Storr's message:
They are all weak!
The time is now to take our chance and strike at the boy.
Streaker, they are distracteacted while they mourn for their precious little elf.
They are not paying attention as they grieve.
Strike at him Streaker take him out. The mourning will pass in another day or so.
Do not disappoint us!

Here is the message I received:
"Trusting Streaker was a mistake!
We must strike at the boy before we loose the oppurtunity.
virus90, they are still distracteacted.
They may even think they have us on the run.
Strike at him virus90 and take him out. We can not keep a window such as this open long.
Do not disappoint us!"

So, a few questions I see:
1. Who is "Us"
2. Why is distracted spelled distracteacted? This was pointed out with the first message, therefore it can't be a mistake.
3. Why are Storr and I receiving messages intended for Streaker and Virus?
4. Ora are we to be looking closer at Virus and Streaker?
4. Is the boy Mtam?

[charm]

I'm up for voting for EndGame. He has been on my list of scum since day 1.
Now, I'm more confident with the cases that others have been posting.

I'm also interested in re-looking at MTam - the sender of the messages must know something that is leading us to question if his HP claim is for real.

[madmitch]

I am still alive and so are my close friends Harry and Hermonie .It is getting harder and harder to find people I can trustand I am worried about Hermonie it sounds like shes been poisoned and I am not sure what I can do about it,half to check my spells and charms,hope I can find a charm to help because I always eem to make everything worst by using spells, IS there any of you townies that can ? please help her.I will to any thing you want me to do.