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[degaston]

Btw is anyone bothered by about Tambo taking care of me n1.

What are you talking about? He asked if you got your present, apparently you didn't (or you're lying about it), no one else seemed to get it, and the discussion died because mtam posted 137 times on D1, 11 times on D2, and 3 so far today. Now I think he's off sulking because no one gave him credit for "nailing" Ragian on D1.

And rage ignored that, and investigated me anyways? Additionally I didn't get my present. ..

Rage didn't investigate you - he's lying, and you know it. So the fact that you're still trying to use it as an argument to take the heat off of you is kind of funny.

If they'd use that argument, they'd have to acknowledge that you're probably what you say you are. That's a problem for certain people.

Are you talking about me? What exactly is this "argument"?
Are you trying to say that Ragian's claim to have investigated Storr on N1 is somehow supposed to be evidence that Storr is not scum?
I know that he's lying about the investigation. So he's trying to influence people with what he says.
WIFOM: He's still trying to act like town, so he says he investigated someone who's alignment he didn't know - This will be revealed as a lie when he's lynched.
WIFOY: He obviously wouldn't name Storr as the person he investigated if Storr was a fellow scum... or would he?

But yeah, it was probably a wasted action, I'm not familiar with Ragian's mafia experience but both investigating you and Mets are pretty horrible targets for a cop check.

You also know that Ragian is lying, so when you try to use the same argument as Storr, that makes it pretty clear to me that you're both scum.

[StorrZerg]

You can't separate those 2 and cherry pick like that deg. The point was attack rage for cop checking me even though tamb on day 1 said he would take care of me.

Has nothing to do with what happened on day 2, but rather interactions on day 1 and n1.

The point if you like it or not, is pointing out inconsistency in his claimed actions to add credit to your night action.

Additionally your logic is terrible deg, strike for the love of god and all that is holy smack some sense into him

[got tonkaed]

I think it is odd and maybe I have missed it, but shouldn't mtam have given someone something on N2?

[StorrZerg]

I would gladly take "throwing rage under the bus argument " rather than the filth of bad posting about my alignment lately.

[StorrZerg]

I think it is odd and maybe I have missed it, but shouldn't mtam have given someone something on N2?

Likely has more than 1 ability.

Rage doesn't claim multiple abilities on the fly. It's because he does have it.

Mtamburini being hp indicatives imo he has multiple as well

[HotShot53]

I am on vacation this week, and like an idiot forgot my laptop. So I will be stuck on my phone this week. I won't be able to make detailed posts with quotes and all, but thankfully we have an easy lynch of rage today and should finally get scum.

As for the storr letter, I have no idea what it means. And talpus, the reason why people have been questioning if storr actually got a message or not is that he has a history of making stuff up just to see people's reactions, like pretending he got a scum result on someone when he didn't actually have an investigation in the first place. So I never know whether to trust him or not

[StorrZerg]

Fair hotshot, but I come around. This wasn't a test or a play.

[degaston]

You can't separate those 2 and cherry pick like that deg. The point was attack rage for cop checking me even though tamb on day 1 said he would take care of me.

Has nothing to do with what happened on day 2, but rather interactions on day 1 and n1.

The point if you like it or not, is pointing out inconsistency in his claimed actions to add credit to your night action.

Additionally your logic is terrible deg, strike for the love of god and all that is holy smack some sense into him

Cherry pick what? Your entire post was there - I just separated it so that you would know which part I was commenting on.
aage seemed to have the same problem with this. Maybe you two are a multi?
And did I say anything about day 2? (other than mtams lack of posting) What are you talking about?

I think Ragian's inconsistency has been well enough documented. I don't see anyone disputing it - even you:

Yep.... I mean he also said he cop checked the self claimed 3rd party knowing he would get not town results. Lol

So why do you and aage keep coming back to this:

Rage pleasje confirm the check result on me

Storr is asking what your result on night 1 was.

Why is this so important at this point that both of you need to keep asking about it? What possible use could his answer be? Do you expect him to say something other than "not town"? That would be a bombshell, now wouldn't it!

[HotShot53]

(I didn't vote rage yet because of everyone did immediately the day would be over already. But you can imagine my vote there as it will be there by day end as long as he doesn't get lynched long before day end)

[aage]

Btw is anyone bothered by about Tambo taking care of me n1.

What are you talking about? He asked if you got your present, apparently you didn't (or you're lying about it), no one else seemed to get it, and the discussion died because mtam posted 137 times on D1, 11 times on D2, and 3 so far today. Now I think he's off sulking because no one gave him credit for "nailing" Ragian on D1.

He's talking about Mtam saying that he could kill Storr if he wasn't what he said he was. Can't be bothered to look up the specific post but it was pretty big and I don't know how you don't understand this.

And rage ignored that, and investigated me anyways? Additionally I didn't get my present. ..

Rage didn't investigate you - he's lying, and you know it. So the fact that you're still trying to use it as an argument to take the heat off of you is kind of funny.

The point of debating a claim is to assume it's true and then find faults with it. If we all knew the claim was a lie, the debate would be pointless - it is, kind of, assuming you are telling the truth. But we have to entertain the possibility of its validity in order to doubt it.

If they'd use that argument, they'd have to acknowledge that you're probably what you say you are. That's a problem for certain people.

Are you talking about me? What exactly is this "argument"?
Are you trying to say that Ragian's claim to have investigated Storr on N1 is somehow supposed to be evidence that Storr is not scum?
I know that he's lying about the investigation. So he's trying to influence people with what he says.
WIFOM: He's still trying to act like town, so he says he investigated someone who's alignment he didn't know - This will be revealed as a lie when he's lynched.
WIFOY: He obviously wouldn't name Storr as the person he investigated if Storr was a fellow scum... or would he?

Yes I'm talking about you, among others. The argument is:
1. Mtam claimed he could kill Storr if he was lying with his night action;
2. Storr didn't die;
3. Hence Storr wasn't lying;
4. Ragian claimed he investigated Storr on night 1;
5. Mtam already used an ability to verify Storr's alignment;
6. Therefore it is redundant for anyone else to check Storr.

The problem you may experience with this is having to acknowledge that Storr wasn't lying, else he'd be dead already.

I am unclear on what the hell you are talking about with WIFOM-WIFOY. The WIFOY bit makes sense to some extent - you can spin that around all you like - but as I've pointed out with the above argument, the investigation is redundant so I don't believe he would actually have investigated Storr. The WIFOM bit isn't WIFOM to my knowledge. If (when) Ragian is lynched and it is shown that his investigation story is a lie, whatever result he claimed on Storr is irrelevant.

But yeah, it was probably a wasted action, I'm not familiar with Ragian's mafia experience but both investigating you and Mets are pretty horrible targets for a cop check.

You also know that Ragian is lying, so when you try to use the same argument as Storr, that makes it pretty clear to me that you're both scum.

How would I know Ragian is lying?


FP by Deg

So why do you and aage keep coming back to this:

Ragian asked for clarification, I provided it. I'm not really bothered to know the answer but apparently Storr does want to know. Sue me.

[aage]

Cherry pick what? Your entire post was there - I just separated it so that you would know which part I was commenting on.
aage seemed to have the same problem with this. Maybe you two are a multi?

I suspect this sometimes, but it seems we are both just exceedingly annoyed by the fact that you take quotes out of context and connect them to things irrelevant to those quotes. Example:

Btw is anyone bothered by about Tambo taking care of me n1.

What are you talking about? He asked if you got your present, apparently you didn't (or you're lying about it), no one else seemed to get it, and the discussion died because mtam posted 137 times on D1, 11 times on D2, and 3 so far today. Now I think he's off sulking because no one gave him credit for "nailing" Ragian on D1.

Storr mentioned it because it pertains to Ragian's cop check, it has nothing at all to do with Mtam's posting behaviour or sulking.

[StorrZerg]

@ag, I didn't get a gift, so still doubt that mtamburini action failed . Hence deg going apeshit

[StorrZerg]

@ag, I didn't get a gift, so still doubt that mtamburini action failed . Hence deg going apeshit

Also why he is bothered by your devotion to me being what I claimed

[degaston]

Btw is anyone bothered by about Tambo taking care of me n1.

What are you talking about? He asked if you got your present, apparently you didn't (or you're lying about it), no one else seemed to get it, and the discussion died because mtam posted 137 times on D1, 11 times on D2, and 3 so far today. Now I think he's off sulking because no one gave him credit for "nailing" Ragian on D1.

He's talking about Mtam saying that he could kill Storr if he wasn't what he said he was. Can't be bothered to look up the specific post but it was pretty big and I don't know how you don't understand this.

If they'd use that argument, they'd have to acknowledge that you're probably what you say you are. That's a problem for certain people.

Are you talking about me? What exactly is this "argument"?
Are you trying to say that Ragian's claim to have investigated Storr on N1 is somehow supposed to be evidence that Storr is not scum?
I know that he's lying about the investigation. So he's trying to influence people with what he says.
WIFOM: He's still trying to act like town, so he says he investigated someone who's alignment he didn't know - This will be revealed as a lie when he's lynched.
WIFOY: He obviously wouldn't name Storr as the person he investigated if Storr was a fellow scum... or would he?

Yes I'm talking about you, among others. The argument is:
1. Mtam claimed he could kill Storr if he was lying with his night action;
2. Storr didn't die;
3. Hence Storr wasn't lying;
4. Ragian claimed he investigated Storr on night 1;
5. Mtam already used an ability to verify Storr's alignment;
6. Therefore it is redundant for anyone else to check Storr.

The problem you may experience with this is having to acknowledge that Storr wasn't lying, else he'd be dead already.

Yeah, nice try, but Storr already nullified your argument with this (referring to no one claiming to be poisoned on N2):

Could be saved on target. Could be jail, block, etc many other reasons why.

So everything after point 2 is completely unsupported by logic. In fact, it seems highly likely that Storr was protected in some fashion. Who would do that, and why?

[aage]

So everything after point 2 is completely unsupported by logic. In fact, it seems highly likely that Storr was protected in some fashion. Who would do that, and why?

Protective roles are almost always town aligned so Storr wasn't saved from death when Mtam sent in his action. You have two options: busdriver on Storr or roleblocker on Mtam. Pick your poison, Mtam probably wasn't roleblocked though since he probably would've been notified of that involving his "gift".

Still, even regardless of Storr's role Ragian's cop choice doesn't check out so you shouldn't have any problems with the rest of the argument. Mtam already announced to great lengths that he would take care of Storr in N1. Targeting Storr with a cop action would literally be the worst choice.

[aage]

Also please respond to my other points as well - especially the part where I know Ragian is lying. I'm very interested.

[degaston]

Also please respond to my other points as well - especially the part where I know Ragian is lying. I'm very interested.

He claimed to use Lumos to check Storr's alignment. Strike 1.0 used Lumos to be a watcher. Go ahead and try to argue that you think it's believable that the mod used the same spell for two different roles.

[degaston]

Protective roles are almost always town aligned so Storr wasn't saved from death when Mtam sent in his action.

Antitown Roleblockers are helpful for neutralizing town power roles, even if there is a Doctor or other protective role that keeps the power role from being killed. This is very helpful in preventing Follow the Cop scenarios. A Mafia Roleblocker does not suffer the risk of blocking someone on their side, like a Town Roleblocker does; the only power roles they need to watch out for are the Tracker and the Watcher. Mafia Roleblockers are fairly safe ways to reduce swing and grant the Mafia some measure of protection from the Town's power roles, so they are reasonably powerful for their team.

Care to try something else?

[aage]

Also please respond to my other points as well - especially the part where I know Ragian is lying. I'm very interested.

He claimed to use Lumos to check Storr's alignment. Strike 1.0 used Lumos to be a watcher. Go ahead and try to argue that you think it's believable that the mod used the same spell for two different roles.

It's unlikely and therefore I still think we should lynch Ragian by the end of the day as I've said all the damn time but for some reason you're now obsessed with me and Storr not asking Ragian any questions about his role. I stress again that this is not fact, this is speculation, and as I said "we have to entertain the possibility of its validity in order to doubt it".


Why are you so antagonising towards me and towards Storr? You try your utmost to find fault with our every word, and you almost have me convinced that you try to annoy me with your every word since you seem to refuse to understand anything we bring to the table. Has it crossed your mind that we're trying to achieve the same thing here?


Fp
A roleblocker is not a protective role.

[aage]

Protective roles are almost always town aligned so Storr wasn't saved from death when Mtam sent in his action.

Antitown Roleblockers are helpful for neutralizing town power roles, even if there is a Doctor or other protective role that keeps the power role from being killed. This is very helpful in preventing Follow the Cop scenarios. A Mafia Roleblocker does not suffer the risk of blocking someone on their side, like a Town Roleblocker does; the only power roles they need to watch out for are the Tracker and the Watcher. Mafia Roleblockers are fairly safe ways to reduce swing and grant the Mafia some measure of protection from the Town's power roles, so they are reasonably powerful for their team.

Care to try something else?

this is precisely the kind of SHIT that annoys the crap out of me. I mention ROLEBLOCKER and BUSDRIVER in the SAME FUCKING PARAGRAPH and you come up with some wiki quote about the same damn thing. I'm fucking done. Vote Ragian. See you tomorrow.

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

Streaker - Pixar
Ragian - tonka, Daz, sempai, Storr, mtam, Streaker, aage (L-3)
Endgame - dd

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

[sempaispellcheck]

VOTE COUNT

Streaker - Pixar
Ragian - tonka, Daz, sempai, Storr, mtam, Streaker, aage (L-3)
Endgame - dd

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Reminder - that is my Patronus. My in-thread vote has not counted, and whoever stole my vote has not yet voted in my name.
Is that correct, mod?

sempai

[StorrZerg]

He can't confirm it.
@aage day not over yet lolol

[sempaispellcheck]

He can't confirm it.
@aage day not over yet lolol

He might be able to confirm some of it.
Worth asking, in any case.

sempai

[StorrZerg]

He can't confirm it.
@aage day not over yet lolol

He might be able to confirm some of it.
Worth asking, in any case.

sempai

Couldn't get answers to the specific questions regarding vote times. So he can't answer your ques, all he will say at most is the vote count is correct.

I've asked of the order is by when votes are cast.
And looks like a yes