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[dd515087]

I really doubt that DD is claiming a centaur and acting like it is a fool proof hint that he can go back and say "I hinted here" as if to ward off all lynch possibility. I have an idea who he might be claiming but won't say unless he is comfortable with my guess being known.

I'm not. I don't think it's necessary to reveal who I am just yet.

My top scum read is endgame. Virus would be second, he really has not done anything this game.

I also agree that it would be nice to hear from mtam before day's end... You all right there Harry? You seem very quiet.

[Talapus]

Jesus, by my count this day should have only been live for a few hours but there are several pages to read and I don't have the time until tonight( in Hawaii for two weeks so will be late for most of you). Rag needs to be lynched though for sure for using that curse, however I agree not to rush the day because there is a ton of good discussion going on. Will say more tonight when I have time to fully read up but rag will not get my vote until we can discuss and use this day more.

[degaston]

Someone wanted Storr to receive the message, and since he's expressed a pro-town stance

Regardless of Streaker being legitimate, and regardless of whether the message was sent to either Storr or DD... The message is either a frame by an anti-town party that implicates Streaker, or it is a message that unnecessarily mentions Streaker's name, and accidentally ended up in Storr's inbox.

...or it is something that Storr made up himself.

The fact that the mentioning of Streaker's name is unnecessary is reason enough for me to assume that the message did not end up in Storr's inbox by accident. Someone wanted Storr to receive the message, and since he's expressed a pro-town stance I think that this person wanted Storr to reveal the message, lead a lynch on Streaker and then be lynched himself on day 4 for misinforming the town. Whoever sent the message wanted us to suspect or even lynch Streaker based on this message - if they were on the same team, (A) why send the message; and (B) why mention the name of your partner in crime in it?

Yes - it's all so mysterious. None of it makes much sense... unless Storr made it up himself.

Doesn't mean we should go right into night though, although I can see why you'd want to.

Blegh. You're really looking way too much into these statements. I already said that I believe your lead - I'm not saying you're scum here. I'm referring to you being able to use that action again, since you've gotten a good result last night, and following that up by saying (possibly in slightly less clear terms) that I'm not ready to play follow-the-cop just yet. You're the one misconstruing my words here.

Oh, I get it, you were being totally sincere with that comment. How could I not have realized that. Yes - it certainly would be best for town if we shut down the discussion as soon as possible so that I can use my power again right away. <-(sarcasm)

This game is all about careful reading and interpreting, but somehow, Storr managed to completely botch his reading of a message that was "sent" directly to him. I asked several questions about how he could justify the statements he made before he revealed the message, and you jump right in to defend his answer and say that it hurts to read my questions?

Okay then, I have a question for you: Of all the claims that people have made so far, why is it Storr, who offers not a shred of proof to his claim, and would be no loss to the town if he is lynched, that you believe without question?

[StorrZerg]

Deg you are welcome to use your power on me

[StorrZerg]

Dd5, why didn't you follow back on rage, day 1, when you pushed him? What made you not want to continue pushing him?

[dd515087]

Endgame D1:
First he votes me because he believed I had poor reasoning when I voted storr

Next post:

Pressuring mtam could also help us get more of a feel for how helpful or harmful Storr will be.

sempai

UNVOTE DD
VOTE MTAM
Agreed.pressuring him should show some character.
If mtam proves a death eater we could (sorta) trust storr.

Hops on the mtam bandwagon.

I notice that rule 2 says that you may not discuss anything about your role. Would that include denying that you have a role?

There will likely be lots of claims of roles in the coming days and lots of people denying what role they are.
Which rounds back to my point.
Im not particularly set on mtam as scum but i think pressure needs to be applied to a few folks to force a claim.
Clear some of the fog that clings to the castle this evening.
Plenty of candidates that is for sure.
Unless we have anymore volunteers?

Now he says he doesn't actually think mtam is that scummy, but he wants claims. Rolefishing and bullshit filler talk.

First off,UNVOTE
Ok im with streaker on narrowing things down.
24 players is indeed alot of variables and we need to focus(even though some scum will certainly slip by D1)
Im inclined to trust and believe storr as 3rd party survivor.
I am thinking the "recruitment" mention in the rules is indicative of something.
My guess is we have several 3rd party survivors(various secondary characters) who start neutral and poweless but can be recruited via night actions (possibly by both sides).
This could also explain mtamb "using his power on storr" meaning he will recruit him.
I could see Dumbledore "convincing" people to help town or Voldemort using the imperious curse to control 3rd party minds.
If several 3rd neutral parties are reading this it would only confirm my thoughts here.
Thoughts on the plausibility of this?
Fped by like 3 people

Mentions that there could be several 3rd party survivors. Talks about recruitment and more BS. Where I bolded comes off odd to me, I don't see how we would ever find out unless someone else claimed... more rolefishing?

Is called out for his vote on mtam, claims he wants to clear up the "mtam/storr affair". Keeps going on about the possibility of recruitment, seems to strongly believe that it exists.

Endgame was following me pretty closely for a while - as somebody noted a while back - and hasn't yet turned on me. For those of you who think I'm scummy, he's probably worth a look.

sempai

Deflection.
If your not scum why would my 2 votes you agreed with (mtam/dd) make me scum?
If you are scum, your just trying to build a case based on someone else's previously stated suspicions.
Your claiming VT so your a low risk lynch now anyways.
When you flip(either way) your list should prove useful.
VOTE SEMPAI

I mean just look at this. Immediately turns on Sempai when Sempai mentions he should be looked at for not turning on him. Also Sempai never claimed VT so it looks like Endgame is just trying to get his lynch pushed through as a "low-risk" solution.

Next he keeps pressuring Sempai for a claim... very quick turn around from him following Sempai pretty closely at the beginning.

Then he has a post where he is wondering what kind of day-action Sempai could have and makes a couple of guesses.

Then:

UNVOTE
Sempai confirmed town.
Nice to see you kingsley.
Sempai thinks mtam is worth both his votes.
Charm has some suspicion pointing her way as well.

Sempai was not confirmed town. All he did was say I'm Kingsley and I can double-vote (he proved it) and now Endgame switches back on his push to immediately townie. Also Charm has two votes on her at this point as does Ragian (pretty much confirmed scum at this point), but he only brings up the fact that Charm is being read as suspicious.

And:

VOTE charm
GTs defense of sempai is making him look very townish so im willing to focus for a moment.
Iguess he could be double voting scum but it all adds up to me kingsleys vote would be respected by the town and carry more weight than a regular student.

He waits until his next post to vote for charm? Also there is no reason to think that Tonka is town based on him defending sempai... Also more bullshit flavor talk.

I was feeling suspicious of dd as well earlier(even voted him) and his 5 days without a post does not make him look any better.
My vote on charm is just there because we gotta get another claim.
I would be happy to get one from
charm-nothing particularly scummy just a bit of defensiveness, would be interested to see more
Degas- giving me mixed feelings. he might just be a logical kind of guy whos lost in the myriad of possibilities in this game and his inactive hunt could be just policy play since he does not know much thus far.
Or hes scum looking to take advantage of the less active players
Dd-already mentioned
mtam-soft claimed an ability(vig/recruiter) perhaps a hard claim would provide some clarity.
Pixar-laying pretty low except to suggest a no lynch. Game this size it seems a no lynch could work to towns adv so not a hard scummy vibe but i would like more from him.
Fped by storr/virus
A baller is a slang term for someone who is good at basketball.
He means its an excellent idea and one i could get with

Uhh... more role-fishing here, admits that that is exactly what he wants. In his list of people that he wants claims from it is charm, degas (town), me (town), mtam (town), and pixar (town) these are also only people that have already been called scummy by others earlier on the game. He makes an assumption on mtam's role based on nothing (side-note: keeps going on about recruitment) .

Wow.
Alot of shit happened today.
If tonka is town and just outed mtam...ouch.
Im not sure i believe mtam is the one but i certainly am not risking it D1.
We gotta lynch someone by friday y'all.
UNVOTE
VOTE DD
One of the less active players and also gave me kinda scummy vibe earlier.

There were a lot more than just tonka responsible for Harry Potter outting himself... Switches his vote back to me because I'm inactive (this is the 5th time he's changed his vote on D1, and he's voted for 4 different people)... Also he wasn't even voting mtam at this point, he was voting for Charm.

Streaker also called him out for this post at the time for mentioning tonka and mtam, but not expounding and going straight to me. He defends by saying he read me as scum earlier because of my "illogical" vote on Storr.

I've already said I like getting claims day1, it just gets the game moving. For me it's either get claims day1 or no lynch, I never like lynching someone the first day.

As far as mtam's role I'm not sure I believe him and his role, most scum usually claim something out of the ordinary. If it's possible can anybody state they are the real Hairy Potter? (keeping my vote on for now)

Role fishing.
This post is enough for me to get behind a pixar lynch at this point.

Then he wants to lynch Pixar for role-fishing... something he has been doing all game. Strangely doesn't vote Pixar though.

One meaningless post in response to Pixar.

And finally:

UNVOTE
VOTE PERSHY
Dd came and defended himself nicely.

Jumps on the newest bandwagon.

That's just D1.

Fp'd by a couple

[dd515087]

Dd5, why didn't you follow back on rage, day 1, when you pushed him? What made you not want to continue pushing him?

You mean the one post I made about him on the second day of D1? My second vote of the game and like the last post I made before disappearing for a week? I didn't even remember that until now. I have always had a scum lean on him, but never anything particularly solid. Plus nobody else voted him with me IIRC.

[degaston]

Deg you are welcome to use your power on me

Yeah, I might, but I don't know if I'd get accurate results from you, or even if I'll be alive tomorrow. I imagine both of us may receive a lot of attention tonight, and I'm probably public enemy #1 among the scum now.

Maybe I would believe you if you had answered a few of my questions.
Like when you read this message:

They are all weak!
The time is now to take our chance and strike at the boy.
Streaker, they are distracteacted while they mourn for their precious little elf.
They are not paying attention as they grieve.
Strike at him Streaker take him out. The mourning will pass in another day or so.
Do not disappoint us!

and you said:

I just don't know if the person who sent it is town or mafia.

How are we supposed to believe that you thought it could possibly be from a townie?

[StorrZerg]

Reading from phone. Sue me

[StorrZerg]

Reading from phone. Sue me

Its ok though, you can keep wasting time on me, I don't mind.

[sempaispellcheck]

Where is Endgame? Where is charm? Where is MudPuppy? Where is virus?
All looking very suspicious at this point.

The claimed big 3 also seem to have disappeared.

sempai

[charm]

I'm here, but I haven't read anything yet. Give me a chance to catch-up please. Promise to post before I go to sleep. Ugh there is like 15 pages!! You guys have been busy today.

[Talapus]

Wow, there are truely guesses all over the place with the message storr recieved. I will throw in my two cents and start a post there I guess.

First, I find it unlikely he would have made it up. Why the heck the one main guy who people have had all sorts of suspicions on, have listened to as he helped sway minds for votes on others, and has actively claimed not town, come out and claim something that just brings more attention to him? That makes zero sense so not sure why others would even entertain the notion he is making it up unless he is just an idiot.

Second, there is all this talk of bus driving and possibilities, but honestly there is just too much confusion to even know if these are plausible ideas, or so far out there we are literally giving ourselves a reach around to make sense of it. My question is if storr found it(Which as the creep wondering the halls of Hogwarts totally fits) why wasn't something done? I mean Harry is alive, Streaker is still with us, no mention in the start of day of a fight or battle? Almost sounds like the message never got to where it was meant to go or someones night action stopped it from reaching intended target.

If anything it got Steaker to claim and kinda showed that storr is sort of on town's side even though he kind of has a record that shows he votes and pushes the wrong people. But I guess my question for storr is when you say "you got a message last night"....did you actually recieve this from someone, find it in the hallways, over hear this or what? Sorry if I missed it but rereading 10 pages in a hurry to put in my two cents on this fast day and may have overlooked this part.

[MudPuppy]

Where is Endgame? Where is charm? Where is MudPuppy? Where is virus?
All looking very suspicious at this point.

sempai

I can forgive some skimming but this, my 14th post of the day, beats your meager 10. So, I'm here... are you?

fp'd by Talapus

[Talapus]

Ok, Dobby's death is rather upsetting for two reasons and I have no idea if anyone else really cares but it bugs me.

First, why the hell make Dobby a vanilla role? Sure he had bit parts in the book but always had spells and did things. Heck at the very least he could have been a shield or bullet proof vest for Harry as his role was post sock and would die for HP. So kinda bummed vanilla townie was option gone with.

Second, and this bothers me more is the fact that Dobby was in this game to begin with? Again, bit role and part in the stories. What concerns me so much about this is simply if such a bit role or part was given to a real town player, then it is far more plausible that better and bigger roles were given as fake claims to mafia if fake claims were given. I would never give out 100% town/scum gaurantee behind someone for a claim(Even though HP has claimed and I HIGHLY DOUBT the mod gave that as a fake claim to scum) but it definitely should make us all doubt some name claims more.

Sorry to say Dobby was a bit role in the scheme of the books, not even in all 7 stories. So maybe just my little rant about not being happy about this discovery but at least I put it out there.

[sempaispellcheck]

OK, I see you, but you're still suspicious - though probably the least suspicious of the four I've called out.

sempai

[sempaispellcheck]

OK, I see you, but you're still suspicious - though probably the least suspicious of the four I've called out.

sempai

FP'ed by Talapus - that was directed at MudPuppy.

[Talapus]

Where the heck is Rag? You need to claim seriously. And you better expect to impress because the fact someone caught you using that curse looks really bad. Unless you an ignorant first year stuck in the library and studying crap you shouldn't be, there really is no good excuse I can think of to use something like that. FYI, any claim you make will look highly dubious regardless of how much time you spend crafting it so stop wasting everyones time and get in here and share.

[strike wolf]

Talapus do you have other suspicions beyond Streaker, DD and/or Rag. For the record, I am leaning town on DD at this point. He has been active today and seems to be trying to advance the game.

[Talapus]

Talapus do you have other suspicions beyond Streaker, DD and/or Rag. For the record, I am leaning town on DD at this point. He has been active today and seems to be trying to advance the game.

I'm still reading, but yes virus has such a low profile it is suspicious. dd just really rubbed me the wrong way day one but has posted a bunch today that I haven't fully read up on yet so need to read to figure out what way to lean. Endgame too deserves a look and am going over stuff before I can say anything really there either. So am trying to look over what they have said and has been said so far today. Just wanted to post about the main going ons first in case peeps come in here and bandwagon Rag to end the day.

[dd515087]

Endgame D2:

I was voting dd until he showed up and made a legit post.
I jumped on the wagon thinking my vote would be wasted on him.
Also the early snape claim just seemed strange to me. No way he could have guessed that many votes would swing in the last few hours so why claim and make himself a target for N1?
Thanks for the spoiler to check if i was skimming though dd.

This post is just absolutely ridiculous. You thought your vote would be wasted on him (pershy)? NO, we were trying to lynch him (well save degaston really, but that was the only way). Also pershy claimed Snape with almost 48 hours left in the day. It was Wednesday afternoon and the wagon on him did not start until right before the deadline.

My vote on dd would have been wasted.
Either pershy or dega was going to be lynched.
Basically my vote on dd was a vote for dega.(ie:ralph nader in 2000)
I thought pershys early claim of snape seemed more suspect than anything from dega.
The whole going for a tie and no lynch thing does not make sense.
Why not just vote no lynch?
As to reads im thinking sempai and his claim and proven DV are strong town.
Im was thinking dega is likely town as well(hence not wanting to lynch him) just based on his claim and now on his result.
I buy storrs 3rd party claim and i wont bother with him much anymore.
Mtams HP claim makes sense to me as well.
Hotshot sticking to storr comes off slightly towny
Im not sure what to make of wing/max as of yet.
Aage jumping off dega last minute there after pushing him so hard seemed suspicious.
MP has my suspicion as well for reasons already mentioned(vote pershy for no lynch?)
Pixar also fairly suspicious for wanting no lynch D1 and to lynch claimed HP day 2.
Madmitch is always hard to read but i think hes town. He has a habit of simplifying votes to whoever seems scummy to him(regardless to their claim or circumstance).
DD im thinking you are likely town. Pushing me for reads only helps town.

No hard town reads except for people that have been read hard town by others. Then there's some "makes sense" and "slightly townie" or "not sure" reads and then he only names people suspicious or scummy that other's have also said the same shit about. Basically replace the entirety of this post with "Baa, I'm a sheep". He then calls me town (for pushing him no less) and IIRC I was the only one really pushing him hard and calling him scum at this point, trying to buddy up to me? Divert my attention?

Ill start.
VOTE MUDPUPPY
His logic of trying to get a no lynch just seems like an excuse to get either pershy/deg lynched without having to be responsible when they flipped town.

This is his post immediately after Wings said something like "last person to vote gets lynched" and storr agrees with him. I can't say his reasoning for voting is entirely crap, but it's really not the greatest. It probably would've been easier to tie the vote than have 9 entirely new people vote "no lynch" at that point and IIRC there was some talk about not lynching anyone if we really didn't want to lynch Degaston, not only by MudPuppy.

My count is 46 for streaker since he confirmed.
My vote for MP is indeed just because of his no lynch voting explanation.

That's the literally the only reason? It really does not take much to get Endgame's vote (this is his 7th of the game on 6 different people)

Then he makes another post defending his reasoning for jumping on the Pershy BW and makes an argument of:
"If i were scum why would i even get involved?
...
Scum knew that neither of the candidates were scum so they could just let it happen and keep the blood off their hands."
Not necessarily a scum-tell, but it really isn't the greatest argument because it's all WIFOM, plus on top of every other reason I think he's scum this really just adds to it.

Next we have a couple of fairly bullshit posts that don't add anything really. He also unvotes Mudpuppy because nobody else was joining him, but he does not vote anyone else... What is the point of unvoting? We're all just going to forget that you were suspicious of him... Also why didn't you try and push him harder? You literally did nothing but stay active and around.

Less than 24 hours left and an undecided vote again.
Looks like skill or mets.
Id like to lynch mets as it will either clear strike or damn him but i believe him as of now because it just seems like scum would not have made such a hard defense this early.
So im left with skill (dobby the house elf) or the backup lynch on storr (filch).
Lynching either of them will not tell us very much but someone has to go today.
VOTE SKILL
Better chance that hes scum than storr imo.

At this point we have: 8th vote (all with pretty poor reasoning), 7th different person, 5th? different bandwagon... Also, nothing about this post sits well with me either, scum written all over it.

Endgame D3:

Only one post so far:

Ok.
This is getting ugly.
Will all of you who claimed already just tell us your NAs?
Who did pix protect?
Who did deg inv?
And storr is your message mailman style?
Fped by strike whos i think is correct about GTs fishing.

Just looking for Night Action info from everyone, adding nothing, but looking active.

In Conclusion:

Endgame is scummy as hell. Unvote, Vote Endgame

[Talapus]

Now I feel as though I wasted time because DD went and summed up why endgame looks scummy nicely. The main fact he has been an absent member but here long enough to hop aboard 2 days worth of bandwagons looks bad for sure.

The problem is what to do about it? Vote until he claims which is possible, but worrisome because other people may jump on that bandwagon and lynch him to end the day. Which is bad because I think Rag needs to be stopped immediately.

Ask nicely for him to completely explain? Sure, but probably not likely as he will no doubt lie about it if he is scum.

Or my favorite, lynch Rag and STRONGLY hint *nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink* *cough* *cough* yes whomever you are I'm talking to you. That the town vig take his ass out tonight. I mean I assume we have to have one. But hell I'm open to ideas.

[charm]

oh my gosh, this game is so awesome! Anyways, here are some of my thoughts after reading through everything...

1. To those that keep saying he/him when referencing me - I am female - that is she or her!
2. My scum radar is on Tonka, Endgame, and Virus.
3. When I first read the letter Storr received my thought was the sender may have meant to send it to Streaker and instead sent it to Storr by accident. I have to go double check names all the time, for instance I confuse DD with Deg and Mud with Mitch quite often. The same thing might have happened here and the sender meant to send it to Streaker. The mod would just do what he is told to do I think. And before you ask, no it was not me that sent the message to Storr.
4. I kinda believe Streaker being the bus driver, but that is a role that I'm still trying to understand how it works.
5. There has been some hints to mafia gets fake claims, I'm not sure how that works. I thought they would have to admit their character once they get to L-2 but could only spin it. If that is the case, then everyone that has claimed could be lying - including Storr and MTam? Any suggestions what I should read on how to understand the mafia fake claims would be appreciated.
6. @Semp, the Imperio curse takes control of you. I was told my vote was taken too, but had expected more during the dayto happen to me given the nature of the spell. I would suggest you be careful today. On the other hand, maybe your Patronus gives you more protection than I had. Regardless, this confirms that you are definitely town in my book.
7. I believed Storr was survivor until there was talk about mafia fake claims. Now, I''m going to have to go back through everything he has stated because he is a really good player. Then he goes and says he is mafia sarcastically; which could be actually him telling the truth. I don;t know what to think about him anymore.
8. I'm also confused about the Ragin thing - if Deg has determined for sure he is casting the cruatius curse then doesn't that mean he his mafia?
9. I'm bummed that we lost Dobby - he was one of the best characters in the movie. Streaker you need to change your picture, it's too morbid that you are showing Dobby. Go grab a pic of your real character

FP'd by DD and Talapus

[mtamburini]

Why are people voting Raigan? I tried d1 to make a case against him and got slapped and forced to claim>>>

Dafuq are yall doing now

[dd515087]

Now I feel as though I wasted time because DD went and summed up why endgame looks scummy nicely. The main fact he has been an absent member but here long enough to hop aboard 2 days worth of bandwagons looks bad for sure.

The problem is what to do about it? Vote until he claims which is possible, but worrisome because other people may jump on that bandwagon and lynch him to end the day. Which is bad because I think Rag needs to be stopped immediately.

Ask nicely for him to completely explain? Sure, but probably not likely as he will no doubt lie about it if he is scum.

Or my favorite, lynch Rag and STRONGLY hint *nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink* *cough* *cough* yes whomever you are I'm talking to you. That the town vig take his ass out tonight. I mean I assume we have to have one. But hell I'm open to ideas.

Sorry. I was bored and had time today.

@mtam do you ever actually read the thread? Ragian is pretty much confirmed scum now.