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[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

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Ragian says we should continue to scum hunt, but no. Mafia have their pound of flesh for the day. It is D2 and we have claims from Harry, Ron, and Hermione. Let's stop the bloodshed on that one.

I believe Dobby would be a pretty reasonable mafia fakeclaim. I also believe it's entirely possible for there to be mafia/anti-town with no wand. But most importantly, this will clear (or damn) degaston, who to me is still a major wildcard. If Dobby really has no powers, I'm fine with taking that risk.

Ahem, first line - Someone else said dont hunt scum, and I think this is a great idea as my head is still under threat.

Second line - A reasonable reason given to kill town to learn about the game. Excuse me, when is there ever a reasonable reason to kill town? It doesnt clear Deg, it proves his role to a large extent. His role is not linked to alignment.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

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If you want a case against Storr its thus:

So N1 there was only one nightkill. This is very low for a game of this size. Our Town Vigilante was lynched so thats one kill down. We know that our claimed doc protected Mtam, who may or may not have been targetted. I'm not sure that Mafia would have targetted without a little investigation first as to what Mtam was on about with his "Voldemort cant die till I die" comment.

So where is the other kill role? Or what about recruitment?

Storr has claimed third party, this means when he gets investigated and shows up as non-town no alarm bells go off. Survivor is not a threat to town in itself, but not all third party roles are so harmless. This leads me to Fenrir Greyback. He is the massive flavour choice for a 3rd party recruiter in this game. A non-wand wielding threat to town.

Now I dont know the mechanics of it perfectly, but what does a recruiter need? He needs multiple claims to provide easy targets for his night actions so he avoid hitting scum. Storr is doing very well at getting those coming.

The other point is his choice to lynch Snape over Mad-eye. An investigative role isnt a threat to him now he has claimed 3rd party survivor, a town vig is.

Now this is all conjuecture and I have no reason to believe that Storr isnt playing the survivor role, but if you want to build a case against him, this would be it. What worries me is I dont see who else could be playing the recruiter role, and I think its more of a threat to town than people are letting on.

[Talapus]

CAN,T VOTE AGAINST MY WOMEN, SKILL is lying about Dobby the elf he has great power. Heres a list of his spells,,,,Apparition,Levitation,Tamporing magic,Magical blasts anddisarming .THE question is is he working for Draco Malfoy, or Hogwarts school. still a lie is a lie UNVOTE VOTESKILL again

Is this an assumption based on flavor or do you know this to be fact?

Would love to hear an answer on this as well.

I can totally buy a Dobby claim, but his alignment pre HP sock was not a good one. And even though the character has a good heart, we have no idea who controls him right now.

I still don't even get the discussion about possible fake claims of HP, Ron, and Hermoine. I mean it might, MIGHT be possible, but the possibility that the mod gave the 3 most prevelant roles as fake claims and not as town would floor me. But seriously if this happened then town is already screwed.

And as for multiple 3 parties, hell yes it is possible. There are a ton of characters in the stories out for themselves or that have a short story arc to play as page fillers. Alignments cam and went as V's power grew.

I need to count votes for skill before casting a vote becuase he may have already been lyndced.

[Talapus]

Sooo many typos, god I hate doing this from my phone.

[Talapus]

6 votes on skill right now I think? He claimed at like 4 votes on him though????

Ok really want to hear from mad about his post because he posted the info as if he knows something. And if it's true then skill is getting my vote.

[Streaker]

okay, My first vote to start the game was obviously a joke vote. My vote on semp was to get a claim like ALL of you wanted, and in which I believed his claim. I switched my vote over to mtam for simply not posting in this game but in other mafia games (in which I thought was scummy). I kept my vote on mtam through the end of day1 because I simply didnt believe his powerful claim.

1.

actually what do you guys think of mtam claiming Hairy Potter but the scum not targetting him? kind of fishy...

this post i misread what he had claimed as I didn't know he couldn't be so called night killed.

2.

If there is a possible 2 Night Kills for the scum I might be the reason why there was only one kill last night, Will claim if need be.

I did hint to my role that I claimed, and I did say there was a possibility I might have stopped a Night Kill if two or more actions were submitted.

I'm not saying mtam is lying about his role, I just get this odd feeling some of the role has a twist in it. He could be Scum claiming this (hoping no one is Hairy Potter) or is there even a possibility that he is third party and I stopped a NK that way? Maybe claiming he could not be Night Killed was a survival tactic for him. Or there is a good possibility I'm wrong about all of this lol. Anyways we don't really have any good leads to go off of and we are just get random claims now. I guess if Mtam is 3rd party it doesnt help to have him lynched. So I guess I'll take my vote off and move on. Hope this helps a little bit

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Why is everyone letting Pix off the hook so easily? He claims big and that's that? The amount of big claims, so much coincidence...
Pixar, you had your vote on a claimed HP for the entirety of D2 and a huge part of D1.
You said you didn't trust Mtamb. The few posts you made were a PUSH against Mtamb. But you protect him at Night?

It really makes no sense and you are not explaining the only part that needs explaining. Why is nobody picking up on this...
Storr did an excellent job diverting attention away from this issue. OK so Pixar plays irrationnaly, is that a reason to look away on his actions?

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A house elf doesn't need a wand to do magic. All 'magic' stuff dobby did was 'warp' from place to place, I think. A vt claim would suit flavour, but would also be a convenient mafia claim.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Streaker - You had a go at me in another game for pushing against a claimed doc, whats changed? The only defense in both cases is the large claim.

[aage]

Why is everyone letting Pix off the hook so easily? He claims big and that's that? The amount of big claims, so much coincidence...
Pixar, you had your vote on a claimed HP for the entirety of D2 and a huge part of D1.
You said you didn't trust Mtamb. The few posts you made were a PUSH against Mtamb. But you protect him at Night?

It really makes no sense and you are not explaining the only part that needs explaining. Why is nobody picking up on this...

Strike asked Pix the same question several pages ago.

Storr did an excellent job diverting attention away from this issue. OK so Pixar plays irrationnaly, is that a reason to look away on his actions?

We're not looking away, we're simply not risking a lynch on a town doc with a strong name-claim.

A house elf doesn't need a wand to do magic. All 'magic' stuff dobby did was 'warp' from place to place, I think. A vt claim would suit flavour, but would also be a convenient mafia claim.

Not a wandless VT though. The mafia are described in the flavour as death eaters. Name me one wandless death eater.
--> actually, Lucius and Narcissa Malfoy have no wand in book 7; YKW gets Lucius' wand and Draco gets Narcissa's wand. Idk if Narcissa gets a new one but Lucius definitely doesn't.

I'm inclined to lynch Skillfu at this point though. His VT claim is the best worst case scenario for a lynch, and his flip will give us near-definitive information about Degaston's legitimacy. I'm not gonna vote yet because I don't know the count and I don't want the day to end yet, still got some questions...



Pixar - mtamburini, Streaker, degaston, tonka, sempai, aage, dd, Strike, mitch, charm, sempai (L-1)

Somehow Charm voted Pixar without voting, and did so at the same time Sempai did. It kind of looks like a silent assassination attempt - Charm cast her vote without posting, seemingly around the time Sempai cast his Patronus-vote. Charm is apparently bad at math, though, since Strike isn't actually voting Pixar which would put her at L-3 before Charm's vote, but in this vote count Pixar ends up at L-1. Charm, please comment before the end of the day why your vote was on Pixar.

[degaston]

6 votes on skill right now I think? He claimed at like 4 votes on him though????

Ok really want to hear from mad about his post because he posted the info as if he knows something. And if it's true then skill is getting my vote.

I investigated skill last night, and the report I got was that he has no wand. That's all I know. It would fit Dobby, but it could also fit a fake claim by Nagini (Voldemort's snake) or some other non-wizard baddie.

@wing - yes, I tried to be a subtle as I could about jumping on skill's bandwagon, but we were running out of time and I wanted him to claim before I said who I'd investigated.

unvote for now.

[StorrZerg]

okay, My first vote to start the game was obviously a joke vote. My vote on semp was to get a claim like ALL of you wanted, and in which I believed his claim. I switched my vote over to mtam for simply not posting in this game but in other mafia games (in which I thought was scummy). I kept my vote on mtam through the end of day1 because I simply didnt believe his powerful claim.

1.

actually what do you guys think of mtam claiming Hairy Potter but the scum not targetting him? kind of fishy...

this post i misread what he had claimed as I didn't know he couldn't be so called night killed.

2.

If there is a possible 2 Night Kills for the scum I might be the reason why there was only one kill last night, Will claim if need be.

I did hint to my role that I claimed, and I did say there was a possibility I might have stopped a Night Kill if two or more actions were submitted.

I'm not saying mtam is lying about his role, I just get this odd feeling some of the role has a twist in it. He could be Scum claiming this (hoping no one is Hairy Potter) or is there even a possibility that he is third party and I stopped a NK that way? Maybe claiming he could not be Night Killed was a survival tactic for him. Or there is a good possibility I'm wrong about all of this lol. Anyways we don't really have any good leads to go off of and we are just get random claims now. I guess if Mtam is 3rd party it doesnt help to have him lynched. So I guess I'll take my vote off and move on. Hope this helps a little bit

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Why is everyone letting Pix off the hook so easily? He claims big and that's that? The amount of big claims, so much coincidence...
Pixar, you had your vote on a claimed HP for the entirety of D2 and a huge part of D1.
You said you didn't trust Mtamb. The few posts you made were a PUSH against Mtamb. But you protect him at Night?

It really makes no sense and you are not explaining the only part that needs explaining. Why is nobody picking up on this...
Storr did an excellent job diverting attention away from this issue. OK so Pixar plays irrationnaly, is that a reason to look away on his actions?

Yes. Because spending more time on him leads to no additional claim. PS i can also see the future, in that most of town will still want a claimed doc over survivor. You can call it scummy, selfish what ever you like, but in the end I can all ready see the result of questioning Pixar. Its going to be very time consuming with our limited time, You wont be satisfied by his answers, ANd town isn't going to lynch him either.

[StorrZerg]

Also being upfront and realistic. The only person who is in position to claim with such little time is mets.

While its good to bring up cases before the night phase and make sure to let people know where you stand, Its just him that has enough attention and focus.

With that said, people need to start calling out where they stand today.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Its ok Storr, the games wrapped up Mets, Streaker and Strike are the scum trio with a bonus mention for DD.

[MudPuppy]

Also being upfront and realistic. The only person who is in position to claim with such little time is mets.

While its good to bring up cases before the night phase and make sure to let people know where you stand, Its just him that has enough attention and focus.

With that said, people need to start calling out where they stand today.

I believe Skill's claim and won't vote the main character claims without something more damning against them. Re-looked at Mets this morning and not seeing much there. The few scum reads I have aren't getting any support so, that leads me back to you, Storr... the go-to vote when I see little better:

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Vote StorrZerg

[StorrZerg]

@mudpuppy, what are you expecting mafia to claim?

[StorrZerg]

Its ok Storr, the games wrapped up Mets, Streaker and Strike are the scum trio with a bonus mention for DD.

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Vote Mets

Strike has been leaning on pushing mets imo. Be out of character for him to not place his vote here. While he has been "soft defending" he has agreed with some of the analysis set forth. Pushing the mets case further to see what strike does seems like a good idea.

[MudPuppy]

@mudpuppy, what are you expecting mafia to claim?

I was expecting some slightly more obscure roles. Dobby is a good candidate for a Mafia claim but deg's no-wand confirmation in a game with tons of magic is good enough for me... for now. I'm not saying all the major-character claims are definitely town... but at this point I don't have a good feel for which, if any, are scum.

[degaston]

I still don't even get the discussion about possible fake claims of HP, Ron, and Hermoine. I mean it might, MIGHT be possible, but the possibility that the mod gave the 3 most prevelant roles as fake claims and not as town would floor me. But seriously if this happened then town is already screwed.

What if the mod gave only one of the top three as a fake claim? Is that unreasonable?

Why is everyone letting Pix off the hook so easily? He claims big and that's that? The amount of big claims, so much coincidence...
Pixar, you had your vote on a claimed HP for the entirety of D2 and a huge part of D1.
You said you didn't trust Mtamb. The few posts you made were a PUSH against Mtamb. But you protect him at Night?

It really makes no sense and you are not explaining the only part that needs explaining. Why is nobody picking up on this...
Storr did an excellent job diverting attention away from this issue. OK so Pixar plays irrationnaly, is that a reason to look away on his actions?

Yes. Because spending more time on him leads to no additional claim. PS i can also see the future, in that most of town will still want a claimed doc over survivor. You can call it scummy, selfish what ever you like, but in the end I can all ready see the result of questioning Pixar. Its going to be very time consuming with our limited time, You wont be satisfied by his answers, ANd town isn't going to lynch him either.

This kind of crap is why I think you're bad for the town. I went along with your push on skill because I did want him to claim, and we were short on time. But now that we have his claim, I agree with streaker that pixar needs to explain why he protected mtam, and then voted for him again, and was surprised that he wasn't attacked, and how he even knows that he wasn't attacked. Your posts don't show much interest in finding out the truth - they just show an interest in lynching someone other than yourself.

Vote Storr

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Deg - Do you want to lynch a claimed Doc? Regardless of his play. Is Streaker's actions actually beneficial here, or is he pushing a case that will resolve itself anyway. Either Pixar will manage to save someone from a kill, or be killed by mafia for having such a powerful role. So why is Streaker worrying about it? Is is possibly because as mafia he wants the doc role to be killed?

Your logic against Storr relies upon Streaker being Town, if not, I'd say Storr is being very helpful.

As Mtam so bluntly put it, why ask a question that has no benefit to town?

"Why is everyone letting Pix off the hook so easily?" - Were not. Great I've answered it, now where did that get us? Nowhere.

Too many people are looking at "what" people have done, and not "why", and also not what they havent done. Mets hasnt done anything majorly scummy bar that lynch comment. He also hasnt done anything town. He has made sure that his presence has been noticed with complaints about play. The question here is why? It makes him appear active whilst not helping town, it means that town keep overlooking him and allow him to continue to sit and hide in the background. When he does make a push he justs nudges someone else to do the legwork, and hides away anonymously.

So Mudpuppy, can you look at the why of peoples actions and not the what please.

The deadline is 11:30am Eastern Time friday. We have over 24 hours to make a decision. We managed to lynch Pershy in a few hours. We have not run out of time. Who is telling you we have? Storr and Mudpuppy. Storr because he is scared. Mudpuppy? Because he is lazy and cant be bothered to spend this 24 hours productively?

[MudPuppy]

So Mudpuppy, can you look at the why of peoples actions and not the what please.

The deadline is 11:30am Eastern Time friday. We have over 24 hours to make a decision. We managed to lynch Pershy in a few hours. We have not run out of time. Who is telling you we have? Storr and Mudpuppy. Storr because he is scared. Mudpuppy? Because he is lazy and cant be bothered to spend this 24 hours productively?

Sticks & stones, Wing. You're just making crap up. I haven't given up on the day; I changed my vote from a town read to a 3P read. I don't see any who's, what's, where's, why's, or how's on Mets. If the group wants to put pressure on aage or HotShot or virus (though I'm concerned he might not show up to defend himself) then I'm game. Who else besides Mets do you feel is worthy of pressure? You are talking about pressuring Mets but still have your vote on Skill... do you not believe the Dobby claim?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I dont believe the vanilla town claim. His actions have not matched the claim.

It is sticks and stones, i dont believe strongly that you are mafia. I do believe you are not actively helping town. I believe this of a lot of players in this game.

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

Pixar - mtamburini, Streaker, sempai, charm, sempai
Mets - HotShot, Ragian, Storr
skill - Strike, dd, Wing, Mets, mitch
Storr - skill, Mud, dega

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch

Deadline: Friday, 11:30 a.m. Eastern Time - firm (deadline won't drag like D1)

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Mets voting for himself?

[Epitaph1]

Mets voting for himself?

Corrected.

[StorrZerg]

@Mudpuppy that's called giving up when you stop looking for scum. putting your vote on me is claiming you are done scum hunting for today.

I do agree with you on wings vote.
@Wing why no switch?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Unvote Vote Mets

Didnt notice Hotshot or Ragian vote for him, this could actually happen! Not too worried about Skills very unvanilla town play. He still doesnt have a wand. (Hopefully not Nagina)

fp'd by Storr, give me a break