Double Fanucci Mafia (4/14) Endgame

by **NoSurvivors** on Mon May 25, 2015 7:42 pm

Nah. Based on my talking myself through it, I think it's likely you're scum. Your posts do sound reply townie though.

by **Metsfanmax** on Mon May 25, 2015 7:51 pm

NoSurvivors wrote:I actually STILL somewhat think you are townie-- but if there are two mafia then you are the only logical option from my POV. It's AoG, and if there are other scum, it's gotta be you.
Blew up. Sorry.

No worries. I understand the position you are in. I of course am in the same position: seeing as I know I am town, you being mafia is pretty much the only way for the facts to make sense. The other folks are going to have to decide who they trust and who they distrust, and that's all there is to it.

Still hurts you saying I'm town's "least valuable player" coming from someone who is a BP... Who claims to have his vest used. You're basically a VT best case now. Also, why would mafia target a claimed BP when they could go after a vig/doc/tracker?

I thought about this, since I was initlally surprised to be targeted with a claimed doc, vig, and watcher roaming around. I can only offer possibilities, some of which are not exclusive with the others:

1) Could be to seed confusion, as you suggested.
2) They might have thought I was lying about being BP to protect a more influential power. They had to try the kill on me to test the claim; now that I am effectively a VT, they can ignore me and go after the PRs.
3) They might have thought there was a chance I had already lost my vest, perhaps from someone else targeting me on an earlier night.
4) Unlikely, but just possible: Iron Butterfly is actually not town, and he is the one who shot me; or, he was somehow redirected.
5) Trying to kill IB or virus last night may have been too risky given that they don't know who virus is watching, so they had to target someone less influential to avoid being tracked.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Mon May 25, 2015 9:25 pm

This is where I have a problem. IF we have two mafia left all they needed to do is get a kill. IF Met and Rishaed are Town, that means out of the four remaining Two of us would be Mafia? We also know by his own words that AoG is not Town. He has a weird third party, supposedly, with a whacked out win condition.

He said he needs to target the mafia boss to win. IF the boss is lynched or night killed he can not fulfill his win condition. So if town got lucky and lynched him day one what incentive would he have to play? His win condition is one that relies more on luck and the skill of how the mafia boss plays. It does not make sense to me at all. He has also called himself a lyncher yet his win has nothing to do with lynching.

Mafia had to know AoG would be targeted by me otherwise why block me or negate the kill? EVERYONE can not be mafia. AoG has all the prerequisites for being scum. The question is who would be the other scum?

by **Army of GOD** on Mon May 25, 2015 10:36 pm

Sorry, was away this weekend and am tired as shit tonight. Will post tomorrow morning.

by **rishaed** on Mon May 25, 2015 11:09 pm

rishaed wrote:Roles Claimed:
Virus Tracker: N1 Streaker, N2 AoG (bussed w/ storr) N3 AoG> Visited Virus
IB Vig:N1 Streaker (dead), N2 dd515(Scum&dead) N3 AoG (survived?)
NoS Doc:N1 Virus N2 IB N3: Virus
AoG Lyncher: N1 Wing N2 Rishaed N3 ?
Storr Lyncher: SK N1 ? N2Rishaed (Kill Failed)
Mets 1xBP: N1-N2- N3- (Claims to have been notified of vest use... I question this mightily).
Rishaed Town Null:N1-N2- N3 -

Deaths:
N1:Wing(?), Streaker(IB), TG(?)
N2:StrikeWolf (?), dd515(IB)
N3:No Deaths

Bringing back this list to update it for clearness.
So I have a conjecture: AoG is the mafia boss, and had one shot BP. Either way I think Mets is the other scum. I'm pretty sure with only one active protective role left, and no deaths last night. NoS is the doc. So in my mind the confirmed town are IB, Virus, NoS, and Myself. Which leaves AoG and Mets as the scum. Either way, I agree killing AoG who is confirmed scum is the better thing to do today. vote AoG

by **Iron Butterfly** on Mon May 25, 2015 11:18 pm

I concur the BEST and safest lynch would be AoG. The fact he wont post till tomorrow does not bode well for him either. Yeh I know long weekend and all.

by **virus90** on Tue May 26, 2015 12:41 am

the evidence isnt lying,
also why would anyone take a shot at a bulletproof towny.
problem is i trust IB, NOS, and rishaed also pretty much so that leaves two, and every night i find more evidence im right on these 2,
there has been enough discussion indeed i guess, doubt whatever aog is gonna say will make me switch anyway

vote AOG

by **Iron Butterfly** on Tue May 26, 2015 1:08 am

virus90 wrote:the evidence isnt lying,
also why would anyone take a shot at a bulletproof towny.
problem is i trust IB, NOS, and rishaed also pretty much so that leaves two, and every night i find more evidence im right on these 2,
there has been enough discussion indeed i guess, doubt whatever aog is gonna say will make me switch anyway

vote AOG

Why the quick lynch??

He was going to post tomorrow.

If he flips as to who he says...you should be lynched tomorrow plain and simple. I do not expect to live through the night if AoG is not mafia.

THAT is a hammer I believe.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Tue May 26, 2015 1:13 am

Geez...that puts him at L2.I thought he was lynched for some reason.

There is no reason not to hear him out.

by **rishaed** on Tue May 26, 2015 1:49 am

Iron Butterfly wrote:Geez...that puts him at L2.I thought he was lynched for some reason.

There is no reason not to hear him out.

L1. ib listen to me though. It will take all four of us townies to lynch one scum right now. The reason being that since I believe we have 2 scum then, 6 alive 4 to lynch, the only person who is defending AoG right now is Mets, and he is doing it pretty vehemetley because he knows if AoG dies then Scum loses. I know you want to hear him out, but how necessary is it at this late in the game when pretty much none of us can believe what he says?

by **Iron Butterfly** on Tue May 26, 2015 3:33 am

rishaed wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:Geez...that puts him at L2.I thought he was lynched for some reason.

There is no reason not to hear him out.

L1. ib listen to me though. It will take all four of us townies to lynch one scum right now. The reason being that since I believe we have 2 scum then, 6 alive 4 to lynch, the only person who is defending AoG right now is Mets, and he is doing it pretty vehemetley because he knows if AoG dies then Scum loses. I know you want to hear him out, but how necessary is it at this late in the game when pretty much none of us can believe what he says?

You will have my vote. None of us are going anywhere.
I just don't want any nasty surprises lol.
If you all want the Hammer before he postsI will do so.

by **virus90** on Tue May 26, 2015 3:58 am

im ok with waiting till he posts, but to be honest i dont think anything he will say will change my mind.
evidence is hard stacked against him, and so are my reads on others.
he claimed to be what he claimed, its no use for town anyway and probably scum.
he visited me tonight, and the possible doc told us he saved me before knowing that i tracked AOG to me. (why i wanted to wait with that intel) , there was no nightkill.
aog magicly survives IB attempt?
last night i tracked aog and he got bussed with storr, storr being a 3th party, i believe mafia would bus one of their own with someone not their own. since storr was 3th party i believe aog is the scum side in the bus.

then we have the "prove" on others
i have IB as proven vig,
myself as proven tracker,
rishaed proven bulletproof (and probably town)
and NOS pretty much proven doc
that leaves 2. mets and AOG
would be ok with an mets lynch aswell but the evidence against aog is just to big to be all coincidential in my opinion so whatever story he tells, i dont see myself believing it.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Tue May 26, 2015 5:40 am

I guess I am trying to be thorough but yah not much he can really say and Mets has been his protector way back when.vote AoG

Lets do this.

by **Metsfanmax** on Tue May 26, 2015 9:03 am

virus90 wrote:he visited me tonight, and the possible doc told us he saved me before knowing that i tracked AOG to me. (why i wanted to wait with that intel) , there was no nightkill.
aog magicly survives IB attempt?

This still leaves unexplained how AoG actually survived.

I guess I am trying to be thorough but yah not much he can really say and Mets has been his protector way back when.

Can you provide even a single example where I defended AoG?

by **Army of GOD** on Tue May 26, 2015 9:13 am

virus90 wrote:rishaed proven bulletproof (and probably town)

how is rish the proven bulletproof?

Yes, I visited virus last night. No, it's not because I tried to kill him. Remember: I'm the lyncher, I went to see if he was the mafia boss.

rish, on the other hand, is in a win-win. He knows IB won't target him because IB can't risk wasting a night (because IB thinks he's the town null) and he knows he won't be lynched because "mafia knows they can't kill him at night so they'll try to lynch him". He hasn't been targeted for a night kill because he's the town null, he hasn't been targeted because HES SCUM.

You guys kill me and it's game over. It'll be 3 town (IB, virus and NoS) to 2 scum (rish and Mets who is the godfather*). You kill me (third party) and then scum wins the game in the night.

*I know this due to process of elimination. I know virus and rish aren't the godfather (I already visited them) and believe that IB and NoS are fully town. I don't want to lynch Mets because I'd be fucking over my chances to win the game...so, instead, I'll

lynch rishaed

by **Metsfanmax** on Tue May 26, 2015 9:17 am

Lol you've already been hammered. Whatever happens next shall be interesting.

by **Army of GOD** on Tue May 26, 2015 9:27 am

shit my bad I didn't see IB's hammer

by **NoSurvivors** on Tue May 26, 2015 10:07 am

AoG- Mafia Lyncher - has been lynched :p

by **DoomYoshi** on Tue May 26, 2015 7:04 pm

That didn't take long. As the cards kept falling, the falling kept the cards going.

Army of GOD, 4 of Time, Mafia Moon Shaman has been lynched.

Night 4 Begin. 48 Hour Deadline.