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[dd515087]

Sorry I've been inactive, I'm back now. I've only read the last 12 or so pages and I went through quickly, but here are things that stood out to me:

Wow.
Alot of shit happened today.
If tonka is town and just outed mtam...ouch.
Im not sure i believe mtam is the one but i certainly am not risking it D1.
We gotta lynch someone by friday y'all.
UNVOTE
VOTE DD
One of the less active players and also gave me kinda scummy vibe earlier.

No explanation for the scummy vibe? Also I posted like two days before saying "sorry I've been inactive I will try and get a post in tonight, but if not I'll be gone an extra couple of days". Jeez am I not allowed time? Especially on D1 when I've hinted and most of the posts are just mtam BS. Whatever I understand I wasn't active, I'll try to be more.

Storr seems to know a lot, and if he won't tell us then I will vote Storr

Don't see anyone else as a better target (yes I know it's still early)

This was the dd post that made me suspicious earlier.
I believed storrs claim at this point(still do)and this is just poor logic.
He knows things/lets kill him.

Basically sheeping what people said about me earlier when I first did that, and I explained myself.

I've already said I like getting claims day1, it just gets the game moving. For me it's either get claims day1 or no lynch, I never like lynching someone the first day.

As far as mtam's role I'm not sure I believe him and his role, most scum usually claim something out of the ordinary. If it's possible can anybody state they are the real Hairy Potter? (keeping my vote on for now)

Role fishing.
This post is enough for me to get behind a pixar lynch at this point.

He wants some claims D1 in a game where there are 24 people. Is that unreasonable? It's not scummy at all, it can only help town.

So lets see: 1. Endgame wants to lynch an inactive (who said be back soon sorry) for "scummy vibes" 2. Backs it up with one post that has already been defended against by said player and 3. Apparently doesn't want anyone to claim their role.

Going to take a closer look at him.

Interesting posts on MTam - is he or isn't he Harry Potter?? If anyone could pull off a fake claim, it would be MTAM. Regardless, I'm pulling my vote off of him and looking to someone else or a NoLynch. I think this has been the most interesting Day 1.

@Endgame - are you mafia? Why would you use a picture of Voldemort as your Avatar, unless you were mafia? Voldemort is obviously mafia.

I'm inclined to Vote for you - explain yourself!

This post from charm has been very typical of all of her posts over the last 15 or so pages that I've read: doesn't add much just makes her look active. The next time she posts (after this one) is calling someone out for doing the same exact thing that she is doing herself:

....I'd sooner watch Fox News.

Strongest scum-tell of D1.

So yeah, at least charm will call someone on their bullshit posts, but I don't think she should escape the microscope when she is doing pretty much the exact same stuff.

I've already said I like getting claims day1, it just gets the game moving. For me it's either get claims day1 or no lynch, I never like lynching someone the first day.

As far as mtam's role I'm not sure I believe him and his role, most scum usually claim something out of the ordinary. If it's possible can anybody state they are the real Hairy Potter? (keeping my vote on for now)

*Will the real Harry Potter please stand up?*

So you really want to lynch the main protagonist here? I would be down for a Pixar lynch if dazza case doesn't role. But Dazza's last few posts have only confirmed my scum feeling on him.

Streaker says the same thing Endgame said earlier in more words... Then he calls charm out for voting Mudpuppy saying she gave no reason, when she did... "posting to look active but not adding to the conversation" which is an extremely valid reason. Asks charms for her other reads after she defends her mudpuppy vote. I don't recall seeing very many reads by him, so definitely going to look closer at streaker.

fp'd by aage

(to be continued...)

[MudPuppy]

Haven't completely finished going through everything but have reviewed a lot today. I don't like the case against degaston at all and don't understand why some are pushing the newb so hard as I don't see his posts as scummy. His votes have bounced around a good bit (poking inactives) and he cast an OMGUS against tonkaed (not unreasonably imo). He made some misstatements along the way... but nothing that he hasn't reasonably explained.

I think tonkaed and aage have been especially unforgiving of him. That's not to say they are necessarily scum but I do think they've been too harsh.

Right now my biggest scum read is aage. He has participated quite a bit and has some good posts along the way, aside from my dislike of him pushing deg so hard. But his early post explaining his vote on Storr really jumped out at me:

My reasoning behind voting Storr is more based on fast-paced mafia logic than forum mafia logic. I've played Town of Salem a lot lately, and day one survivor claims always end up being serial killers, arsonists, godfathers, witches or werewolves.

That sounded like a decent read at first glance... his prior experience with D1 survivor claims being scum fit Storr's scenario perfectly.... Except that's NOT his reason for voting Storr. His vote for Storr was clearly a joke vote. It happened long before Storr claimed. It happened before Storr got rolling on his Argus impersonation (aside from one comment: "i could care less for children, harsher punishments are what is needed.") It happened in the very same post aage used to confirm his role!!!:

Confirm that I read and understand my role

Vote Storr for no apparent reason.

I'm sure aage willl try to explain the timing away by saying something like he initially voted for Storr as a joke but left his vote on once it became clear how scummy he looked, etc. I'm not buying it. With 24 players, he had ~4% chance of his joke vote evolving into the guy he had the biggest scum read on. I believe he is Mafia and was just spouting whatever crap he could come up with to justify his vote at the time.

Vote aage

[dd515087]

(cont.)

I see the points made about mudpuppy, pixar, Pershy, and dd (if no one has, someone should). Although I'd not include Pix because to me it seems that he's trying. I'm quite sure that most in here will feel that he's doing it wrongly, but the young lad is trying. I don't see him as scummy. I think DD and perhaps Pershy are the most noteworthy of the least active (I haven't included floyd because I find his few posts reasonable). DD, on the other hand, nagged at people for not adding to the game and then hasn't added shit since himself.

I nagged at people for posting and not adding anything to the game in their posts. Completely different from not posting all together. Also did everyone just decide to forget that I came back, apologized, and then said I might be gone an extra day or two? Not to mention I feel like I made a very obvious hint way back when. Whatever, maybe it wasn't as obvious as I thought.

I would be much happier with a lynch on Dega for reasons stated before the Mtam shitstorm, on Charm for voting Mudpuppy for bad reasons, on Pixar for voting incredibadly or on Ragian for defending Pixar. I will look more into this tomorrow when I have more time, I will sleep easier knowing Mtam doesn't have the most votes on him.

@Epi, did Charm lose her vote or is the vote count incorrect?

fp by tonk

I agree with this for the most part, but I don't see how charm's vote on Mudpuppy is an invalid reason. Other than that Charm has been doing a lot of the same "posting to seem active" BS that she is calling Mudpuppy out on.

You still wanting to lynch Storr, even though he is one of the main contributors to building cases on D1 this game. There is absolutely zero scuminess in his play,

An unsolicited claim? Thats scummy
Claiming 3rd party survivor, yet almost everyone agrees he isnt giving us the full story? Thats scummy
"Building Cases" is questionable at best. He probably posted 4 pages of role playing that was NOT an actual post restriction.. Thats scummy


I think you have confused quantity with quality.

I also cant keep up with this game. So to me, worst case on being wrong about Storr, is that we lose a 3rd party survivor, but we gain the removal of countless posts that make the game harder to follow.

unvote vote Storr

Alright, one of the first posts I've seen by BG, but I really like his analysis of what's going on here. I'd prefer a Storr vote over one of the inactives (but that might be because I've been inactive too).

@Epi, did Charm lose her vote or is the vote count incorrect?

It's there unless I'm misunderstanding your question:

MudPuppy - charm

@ aage & streaker... I don't feel that I'm the case of the day... but also don't feel that charm was off base in her analysis of my posts. I really have said little of substance other than tossing out my hunch of HotShot and pushing mtambo to answer questions, etc. It's D1 and despite the 800+ posts, I still don't have scum reads I feel strong enough to vote just yet. I will go through the leading candidates later today and put a vote out there tonight. Just wanted to say I don't fault charm for looking my way at all; It gives me a bit of a townish read on her... but I appreciate your support.

Mudpuppy comes back, acknowledges that he hasn't added much and defends charm for being correct. I like him better now, although if he doesn't come back and give some more analysis and a vote then he should still be looked at.

mudpuppy; was busy with work, can relate to that, but his posts in my opinion have a high chit-chatty level. he "might"be considering looking into hotshot.... either do it or not, this is 50% ... ahh he might be scum, yeah everybody might be scum.
i would consider voting mudpuppy

So far i dont see why not to believe the mtam claim, so lets switch.
as i said in my previous post (see quote above) my 2nd pick would be mudpuppy for reasons now noted by others aswell.
so ill stick to that.
unvote vote mudpuppy

Come on dude you aren't even going to give him time to come back? He literally posted three hours before you changed your vote to him.

It seems at this point that a lot of people are talking about a dazza lynch, but he comes back after a reread and gives a list of what he thinks about everyone.

dd - Seemed involved the "forgot" he was playing. I don't know how you can just forget you are playing. Maybe laying low for a bit?

In response to this, yeah I'm sorry I did forget. I have been posting in the other mafia game I'm in on this site, so it's not really like I was laying low. Although you wouldn't have seen those posts anyway.

UNVOTE VOTE DEG

WTF is this mtam? I know you've claimed and all, but seriously? Give a reason, jesus.

Pershy, I never had much of a positive reason to vote for you - how could I when you've hardly said anything. But 9 posts in 9 days with nothing of substance doesn't give me much reason not to vote for you, either. There's still a day and 1/2 left, so something could still happen.

So now we have 4 claims - is that enough? Do we go with one of these, or take a crapshoot on someone else who hasn't been active?

I have no idea if these claims are believable, but if they are all telling the truth, then it seems like lynching Storr/Filch is the safest option.

unvote vote deg

Safe options are for scum who don't want to get lynched. You're assuming the are all telling the truth, but you still want to lynch them? If Storr is telling the truth, there is no reason to kill him at all - he's not mafia, and not a threat.

@mtam that is how you give a reason and make a vote. Take some notes.
All in all I like aage's posts so far, but I don't believe Degaston would make a good lynch. He doesn't have the greatest posts in the world, but they seem more newbie and occasionally he does make a very towny post, like:

You're assuming the are all telling the truth, but you still want to lynch them?

Either your reading comprehension is not too good, or you're a liar.

I have no idea if these claims are believable.

If Storr is telling the truth, there is no reason to kill him at all - he's not mafia, and not a threat.

This is also a lie. If he is telling the truth, then he will side with whoever will end the game with him alive. If we start lynching townies, then he will quickly become a threat. If you do not know who is telling the truth, then it makes sense to lynch the only one that we know is not town. If you do know who's telling the truth, then you're scum. I see that Storr just OMGUS'ed me because I pointed out that he is the safest option to lynch. I think this shows how quickly he'll turn on anyone he thinks is a threat to his win condition..

But if you want a risky option, then lynch Mtam, because I know he's lying about something:

I can never die in the night because if I do it makes Voldemort vulernarable to night actions...

So which is it, Mtam?
1. You can never die in the night?
2. If you die in the night, Voldemort becomes vulnerable.
They can't both be true.

It seems like he is trying to make reads and push somewhere.

Also regarding this, why wouldn't we want Voldemort to become vulnerable?? That is clearly not a town role... I'm beginning to think Mtam could have been given Harry as a fake claim. I don't really like many of his posts and now it seems like he is protecting Voldemort? Or he is letting the death eaters and voldemort know that targeting him is a bad idea? I don't really know.

RE: degaston again, he has a very townie post at about 11AM earlier today, it's long so I won't quote it, but it is on page 36 like halfway down

I don't really agree with the case on deg but God knows I could have misinterpreted the clues others claim they see. I still think dd is a better choice though so will not be jumping on the popular vote today as I just don't see it. But I completely agree that others not voting still have time and should weigh in to vote.

FYI, Harry Potter was never a complete dick. So all those useless pages of sheer rage at people from a player who claims to be HP is totally uncalled for.

I have no idea why Talapus is voting me because I skipped a good 10 pages or so so that I could get some reads on the most recent things before going back (also because a lot of it was just mtam bickering with everyone). BUT if any of his reasoning has to do with inactivity, this is the first he has posted in like 18 pages or so...

Pershy has a very interesting claim here, and I have slight trust issues with it. But I think it could be a very powerful town role, and I am leaning towards trusting it at this point in time. I can completely see why he claimed when he did with so little time on the clock.

After reading the most recent stuff deg has put forward, I really see him as being scum at this point. For the one reason of if mtam fake claimed he would have been outed by now. I didn't buy the case earlier, but now I am seeing it now on deg.

Vote Deg

What "stuff" exactly? Also Mtam could've been given a fake claim if he was scum...? Also nobody would fake claim Harry Potter if they weren't a) Harry b) given it as a fake claim or c) given a QT with Harry and just protecting Harry. Because there is absolutely no way there isn't a Harry or a Harry fake-claim given in a game based on Harry potter.

Also "I didn't buy the case earlier, but I am seeing it now"? What kind of crap is that. You've also been very quiet this game, haven't seen many posts (probably 2 maybe 3) in the last 18 pages.

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And now I'm all caught up (minus the pages I skipped)

fp'd by MudPuppy

[Talapus]

I don't really agree with the case on deg but God knows I could have misinterpreted the clues others claim they see. I still think dd is a better choice though so will not be jumping on the popular vote today as I just don't see it. But I completely agree that others not voting still have time and should weigh in to vote.

FYI, Harry Potter was never a complete dick. So all those useless pages of sheer rage at people from a player who claims to be HP is totally uncalled for.

I have no idea why Talapus is voting me because I skipped a good 10 pages or so so that I could get some reads on the most recent things before going back (also because a lot of it was just mtam bickering with everyone). BUT if any of his reasoning has to do with inactivity, this is the first he has posted in like 18 pages or so...

Ehh, sort of but not really. I kinda posted in 2 different places why I was voting you and even though I do applaud your effort to come back in and get caught up, you have done nothing to alleviate my reasoning to vote you in the first place. So I'd say a good guess is that yes, that must have been a discussion in the 10 pages you skipped. I doubt at this point it matters as it looks like deg is the new favorite choice. I do agree with your stance that I see no case there so that gives you points in my book. I disagree with your HP fake claim though given to scum. I kind of like the idea, but to not have HP in a HP game seems rather absurd.

[degaston]

Dega, I'm getting sick and tired of your separating sentences in the (imo) well-structured paragraphs in my posts...

I don't see what choice I have. Your "well-structured" paragraphs are a mix of questions and statements (many of them either false, misleading or unsupported) that make a variety of insinuations and accusations against me. If I don't break them up and point out, sentence by sentence, how you are wrong, then I'm likely to be accused of not defending myself. Nobody's forcing you to respond.

Your reply to my call for a stance is once again replied with bad OMGUS,

I never voted for you (other than the time I had to demonstrate why a vote for someone is not wasted), so my reply was not an OMGUS.

I've said before and I'll say again that I don't flaunt my vote around like a whore, I prefer to build cases before voting.

My vote is not a whore! She gives it away for free, so she's a slut!

... and every other vote has followed (lengthy) discussion.

Of your two other votes (Sempai and me), only Sempai's involved any form of discussion.

Before your flouncing trollop of a vote jumped on my bandwagon, the entire case against me consisted of:

• Mets: Exaggerated the number of times I stated I only played one game, and said that was a scum tell.
• Mtam: Not a single word of justification for his vote.

Then you added:

• A platitude about safe options being for scum.
• A lie about what I was assuming, and what I wanted to do.
• An incorrect and naive statement about the threat of a 3rd party survivor.

Concerning Storr. If we assume he is third party we must assume that he will play for Town, otherwise he would not have claimed on day one. It really is that simple.

No, it really is not that simple. He can win even if the town loses, so you cannot assume that he will always play for town. If the town has the advantage, then he will be for the town. If the mafia gets the advantage, then he will be for them. Of course, he will always try to appear pro-town, but he doesn't really care whether they win or lose. This makes him an ideal D1 lynch. He is the only one we know that is guaranteed not to be a townie.

Concerning the game participation, the point I'm making concerns what I've said earlier:
It seems you assume that we can only lynch between the people who claimed, and that therefore the 3rd party must die. Do the people who haven't claimed not participate in this game?You seemed to assume we could only lynch between the claimed people... thereby creating the illusion that the non-claimed players were not lynching options. They are, though - everyone is an option for the lynch. The mounting pressure on you is actually proving that, although I accept that it could be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You completely misunderstand what I am saying. All I am saying is that if you come close to lynching someone, they will claim. (Unless they somehow allow themselves to get lynched without claiming) So you will always have to either choose one of the claims, or go for another claim.

The inactive players are bad lynching targets because most have indicated they are busy irl, which is not alignment indicative, and there are too many people in this huge game who have indicated this to assume they're mafia - even too many to assume the majority of them is mafia.

This statement is complete conjecture. You have no proof of anything you're saying here.

"If I have no strong reads against an active player, then I would prefer to go with a weak read on an inactive player."
I quote this specifically because I really don't see how you can have a stronger read on someone who doesn't post. It's near impossible to read someone based on silence, and they are the least trustworthy reads because you know so little about these players. There's been gazillion discussion, going around and analyse the three posts of an inactive is counter-productive as hell.

I did not say that I had a stronger read on an inactive player. If everyone thought like you, then obviously the best course for mafia to take would be to say that they're busy irl, post as little as possible, and let the townies do their job for them. Why do you want to make things as easy as possible for the scum?

[dazza2008]

dd - Seemed involved the "forgot" he was playing. I don't know how you can just forget you are playing. Maybe laying low for a bit?

In response to this, yeah I'm sorry I did forget. I have been posting in the other mafia game I'm in on this site, so it's not really like I was laying low. Although you wouldn't have seen those posts anyway.

No worries. It just seemed odd to me that someone would forget they are in a game. I felt it was worth noting so i did.

[pershy]

OK - just a few very brief thoughts after reading 20 pages in a row.

agree - to the mod on the vote counting.

I just wanna officially FOS Pix. Checks in occasionally. Says jokingly "take your votes of TNC members" then says "I was joking y'all, do u really think we r all scum?" - as if that's why he was FOSSED. Votes no lynch then votes MTAM 2 posts later. Doesn't believe HP claim. Keeps his vote on. Pixar can be like that but the only way I'll believe Pix is confirmed town is if he claims to be the real Harry Potter and gets Mtam lynched who flips scum. FOS

town vibe from BG, Strike Wolf, Streaker(although he could learn some manners from Mtam lol) and a few others.
BG didn't believe HP claim though. I actually quite like that Mtam stirred things up. Certainly got conversation going - we might be able to read some bandwagon votes on him later on too when we have more info.
BG is an excellent mafia player - I think he's town in this game and would follow him but he has been stuck on Mtam and Storr.

I feel quite nuetral about Storr but I didn't like his post below. Could be that he doesn't know any better cause he's third party.

Mod gave magia fake claims, or flavor doesn't indicative a
alignment.

Storr is a good scum sniffer. He also FOSed Daz and I'm totally with him there so I'm coming round to thinking that he will be an asset to town this game.

Definitely DON'T trust Dazza, JBfloyd. Not too sure about Raigan either Especially the way he lightly tries to keep a FOS on aage. Classic scum tactic. I get quite a towny vibe from aage personally, well until he said this.

Mtam is basically blackmailing the mafia as far as I can see, if he dies they become weaker?

@Aage - mtam blackmailing mafia? I thought mafia get stronger if HP dies. While HP lives Voldemort is weaker...that's what I gathered earlier on. PRETTY SURE AAGE IS TOWN tho. I don't like Mudpuppy's vote on Aage either.

got tokaad - FOS Seems like a follower/ bandwagoner to me.

Ok with this direction.

Ok with moving vote off of Pershy who checked in.

Still - a light fos for Tonk

Degaston - he was on my case like a stuck record for ages, when there was a ton of more interesting stuff going on. I agree with pressuring inactives but there were others that were even more inactive and nothing. It was almost as if he hoped to get an easy lynch. It paid off in the end too. However he is quite a newb to mafia and his play could be eager town play. I get mixed vibes from him. At times I want to vote him, at others I read his play as eager town play. So I'm not going to vote him just yet, but I will definitely FOS him. Not just for his pressure on me but for many of his posts on other things too - however as I say, could be eager but slighly misguided town play. However he does get quite defensive.

How much time have we got left? What's the tally on the deg votes? Unfortunately it looks like that'll be the only lynch we'll get today. I would like to have another day or 2 to pressure abnother player.
I think Deg is a good option in some ways (I started this post convinced I was gonna vote him at the end of it, but then I changed my mind as I read to this point) - but as I say I think that by reading into his play which often reads as towny and the fact that it's his 2nd game, I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt. His stuck record early pressure on me doesn't help his case though form a pershy point of view lol.

I'm gonna wait and check in later. I would rather vote Dazza, Tonkaed or someone else (even Pix) but we are almost at night so we have to bite the bullet and decide on a realistic lynch or no lynch at all. I also have to weigh up how much I trust Deg. I'm leaning town now and I don't wanna vote someone I think is town even though I want a lynch and it will give info.....but I'm alsonot 100% sold that he's town.

Let us know when u can mod what the tally is and how many hours we have left.

thanks

[aage]

Right now my biggest scum read is aage. He has participated quite a bit and has some good posts along the way, aside from my dislike of him pushing deg so hard. But his early post explaining his vote on Storr really jumped out at me:

My reasoning behind voting Storr is more based on fast-paced mafia logic than forum mafia logic. I've played Town of Salem a lot lately, and day one survivor claims always end up being serial killers, arsonists, godfathers, witches or werewolves.

That sounded like a decent read at first glance... his prior experience with D1 survivor claims being scum fit Storr's scenario perfectly.... Except that's NOT his reason for voting Storr. His vote for Storr was clearly a joke vote. It happened long before Storr claimed. It happened before Storr got rolling on his Argus impersonation (aside from one comment: "i could care less for children, harsher punishments are what is needed.") It happened in the very same post aage used to confirm his role!!!:

Confirm that I read and understand my role

Vote Storr for no apparent reason.

I'm sure aage willl try to explain the timing away by saying something like he initially voted for Storr as a joke but left his vote on once it became clear how scummy he looked, etc. I'm not buying it. With 24 players, he had ~4% chance of his joke vote evolving into the guy he had the biggest scum read on. I believe he is Mafia and was just spouting whatever crap he could come up with to justify his vote at the time.

Your forgot about this post. I corrected this stance in the upper post you quoted, because it was bad. In fast-paced mafia there is no time to keep check on the surv claim, but we have plenty of time. Maybe I should have phrased it as "I'm keeping my vote on Storr", but semantics meh.


@Dega.
Would you prefer I don't reply and just keep my vote on you?

People have discussed you for quite a while now, I believe Strike Wolf even posted a larger case post before the Mtam crap went down.

OMGUS = Oh my god, you suck!
Your replies to my posts have mainly consisted of "no, you're bad". First off, you're comparing apples and oranges because we have played strikingly different all day. Secondly, my actions are irrelevant to the case - if you think I'm scummy because of what I did, make a case of your own, but my actions don't excuse you. Making this a personal dispute between you and me doesn't indicate town at all.

Before your flouncing trollop of a vote jumped on my bandwagon

the entire case against me consisted of:
Mets: Exaggerated the number of times I stated I only played one game, and said that was a scum tell.
Mtam: Not a single word of justification for his vote.

Plus everything that had been said before the push on Mtam.

Then you added:
A platitude about safe options being for scum.
A lie about what I was assuming, and what I wanted to do.
An incorrect and naive statement about the threat of a 3rd party survivor.

1) yes
2) maybe, but you haven't proven me wrong yet
3) no

So you will always have to either choose one of the claims, or go for another claim.

Yes, you're right, but you presented a false dilemma between the current claims and the inactives. That was my point - not that I want to lynch people without them claiming. That would be silly indeed.

This statement is complete conjecture. You have no proof of anything you're saying here.

I have evidence from experience that day one inactive lynches usually end up killing townies, and that lynching inactive townies provides no useful information for day 2. If you somehow get lucky and get a mafia, great, but that's exactly that - luck.

If everyone thought like you, then obviously the best course for mafia to take would be to say that they're busy irl, post as little as possible, and let the townies do their job for them. Why do you want to make things as easy as possible for the scum?

What would happen is irrelevant because this isn't about me. I said it's odd that you have no reads on the active players - so then what have you been doing all day, beside voting Pershy?

[MudPuppy]

Right now my biggest scum read is aage. He has participated quite a bit and has some good posts along the way, aside from my dislike of him pushing deg so hard. But his early post explaining his vote on Storr really jumped out at me:

My reasoning behind voting Storr is more based on fast-paced mafia logic than forum mafia logic. I've played Town of Salem a lot lately, and day one survivor claims always end up being serial killers, arsonists, godfathers, witches or werewolves.

That sounded like a decent read at first glance... his prior experience with D1 survivor claims being scum fit Storr's scenario perfectly.... Except that's NOT his reason for voting Storr. His vote for Storr was clearly a joke vote. It happened long before Storr claimed. It happened before Storr got rolling on his Argus impersonation (aside from one comment: "i could care less for children, harsher punishments are what is needed.") It happened in the very same post aage used to confirm his role!!!:

Confirm that I read and understand my role

Vote Storr for no apparent reason.

I'm sure aage willl try to explain the timing away by saying something like he initially voted for Storr as a joke but left his vote on once it became clear how scummy he looked, etc. I'm not buying it. With 24 players, he had ~4% chance of his joke vote evolving into the guy he had the biggest scum read on. I believe he is Mafia and was just spouting whatever crap he could come up with to justify his vote at the time.

Your forgot about this post. I corrected this stance in the upper post you quoted, because it was bad. In fast-paced mafia there is no time to keep check on the surv claim, but we have plenty of time. Maybe I should have phrased it as "I'm keeping my vote on Storr", but semantics meh.

Nope, I didn't forget about that post.. but that's not your "reasoning behind voting Storr." So you can "meh" the semantics all you want... but the 4% chance that your joke vote evolves into your scum read compounded with the chance of you using the incorrect wording in your defense of that vote add up to a very high probability that your defense is a load of dungbombs.

[aage]

So what, I am mafia and I already knew that Storr was third party? I see no argument here, only coincidence.

[StorrZerg]

Town as a whole should really be lynching deg. Much will be learned from his flip. I've been pretty quiet lately

Deg is kinda wrong about how i may play the game. I really don't have a choice other than to make reads and scum hunt. Trying to give wrong reads, or to help scum isn't going to allow me to live. Since scum will use my death at any point in the game as a lynch as a good excuses since its a lynch on a non mafia. Secondly, im always going to be a small question about being lynched, hence the only way i can remove doubt is to help town lynch mafia and hope mafia don't shoot me in the night out of spite.

Really really dislike mudpuppy defending deg right now. Its just really strange, why is it when we are really close to deadline does mudpuppy now want to play seriously? where was his content on Pershy push, on MTamb, on sempai. How he attacks aage, its as if he has been missing half of aages game play.

Not to mention mudpuppy pushing on aage as a lynch target is incredibly unrealistic. Defended the mtamb who claimed hp very hard. YOu could wifom it idc, but for today thats 100% enough to not be lynching him. Aage activity in pushing for a lynch is also great.

@pershy, to help insure a lynch need to vote soon. Not much time left in this day

[degaston]

So what, I am mafia...

We have our first confession!

Your replies to my posts have mainly consisted of "no, you're bad".

Where have I said that you're bad? I think the closest I've come is to indicate that you're a hypocrite for saying that I haven't "taken a stance", and that was a very small part of my replies. If you re-read my replies, you'd see that I'm mostly saying that you are incorrect about what you're saying I said or did.

Deg is kinda wrong about how i may play the game. I really don't have a choice other than to make reads and scum hunt.

I agree that you're going to be pro-town at the start, but what happens if the game gets down to something like 6 town, 5 scum and you? If you side with the scum at that point, they (and you) win. If you side with town, then you have to survive through up to 5 more days. Which way will you go? Be honest!

[MudPuppy]

@aage... You call it coincidence or semantics; I call it a lie. It looks like you forgot when you voted and fabricated a reason to support your vote. That combined with my perception of you tunneling degaston leads me to the conclusion that you're the best case for scum I see out there.

fp'd by Storr. Perhaps it's too late in the day for aage to become a D1 lynch target... but he's still my #1 scum read and I will vote for him. I don't see deg as scum so, yeah, I'm defending him. Sure aage has made a lot of townish posts... I'm not ignoring those but trying to appear townish is what scum do. However, cooking up fake reasons for a vote is decidedly not townish. Aage said the reason for his vote was Storr's D1 survivor claim which couldn't have been the case since the claim had not been made at the time of the vote. Sure, it could have been a poor (and incorrect) choice of words... but combined with the high improbability that Storr was both his joke vote and his scum read, it looks very suspect.

fp'd by deg.

[StorrZerg]

Deg is kinda wrong about how i may play the game. I really don't have a choice other than to make reads and scum hunt.

I agree that you're going to be pro-town at the start, but what happens if the game gets down to something like 6 town, 5 scum and you? If you side with the scum at that point, they (and you) win. If you side with town, then you have to survive through up to 5 more days. Which way will you go? Be honest!

asking silly questions about what if scenarios won't help anything. Either I help find scum and defend town from lynches and live, or I die.

you pushing me screams as really desperate.

[StorrZerg]

fp'd by Storr. Perhaps it's too late in the day for aage to become a D1 lynch target... but he's still my #1 scum read and I will vote for him. I don't see deg as scum so, yeah, I'm defending him. Sure aage has made a lot of townish posts... I'm not ignoring those but trying to appear townish is what scum do. However, cooking up fake reasons for a vote is decidedly not townish. Aage said the reason for his vote was Storr's D1 survivor claim which couldn't have been the case since the claim had not been made at the time of the vote. Sure, it could have been a poor (and incorrect) choice of words... but combined with the high improbability that Storr was both his joke vote and his scum read, it looks very suspect.

fp'd by deg.

as being pushed by aage, your big case against him is lack luster. So what if his joke vote became a real vote. I don't find that scummy. You are nit picking a small thing that happened and trying to make mountains oit of mole hills. It jist screams as a huge distraction from the deg push. Bit since his push on me, he moved past me and made cases defending people, pushing people, and changed his view on me.

[degaston]

Okay, 3 hours left so I guess I'll claim.

I'm Alastor “Mad Eye” Moody. I have a wand and an investigative night ability (I can specify if someone really thinks they need to know). I'm pro-town.

[strike wolf]

I would say that a little clarity would be nice.

Sorry about the absence all. I was reading along all the way a little bit past where Pershy claimed Snape and then when I next checked the thread a day or so later, I clicked the latest page when I found out in reality at least 3 pages behind and still have not really fully caught up. I am only reading the current posts right now so that I can at least be around during the lynch (though I am unsure how much I will actually be involved working with incomplete information). I will try to read what I missed tonight.

[degaston]

I would say that a little clarity would be nice.

Are you talking to me? Saying that you want to know my ability?

[jbfloyd]

unvote

vote Degaston

I'm out for the rest of the day, but I did want to leave closing thoughts.

We were totally unsuccessful at narrowing down choices for D1, which is not totally surprising.

I didn't find pershy's last post to be incredibly helpful. He says he has a strong town feeling from BG, which I disagree with as BG has stayed obstinately single-minded. To him D1 could have ended a week ago when Storr claimed and it seems he would have been happy. I'm gonna give him a bit though.

Pixar seemed all over the place.

I'm not sure about Degaston case, but for me a lynch is better than none and nothing seems viable right now. It's a big game and this is more a vote for information than anything else. Knowing about Degaston will at lead help process what is going on D2.

[MudPuppy]

I'm not sure about Degaston case, but for me a lynch is better than none and nothing seems viable right now. It's a big game and this is more a vote for information than anything else. Knowing about Degaston will at lead help process what is going on D2.

You're going to vote for the claimed town cop based on a case you're not sure about?!?! Wow!!! If he flips Alistor, that vote is going to look really bad!!!

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

mtamburini - madmitch, Pixar
Ragian - dd
charm - Ragian
pershy - dazza
dd- Talapus, Endgame
degaston - metsfan, mtam, aage, Storr, HotShot, tonkaed, skill, floyd
dazza - Streaker
MudPuppy - charm, virus
Storr - BG, deg
aage - MudPuppy

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

DEGASTON SET TO BE LYNCHED.

Deadline Friday, noon Eastern Time. or whenever I get back from lunch, whichever is later.

Less than 2 hours until the deadline, unless my lunch runs long.

[strike wolf]

He hasnt claimed cop, he claimed an investigative role that he didnt specify.

[MudPuppy]

He hasnt claimed cop, he claimed an investigative role that he didnt specify.

He claimed auror with an investigative ability. Perhaps it's a bit of a twist on cop but it's effectively the same thing in my mind.

[degaston]

He hasnt claimed cop, he claimed an investigative role that he didnt specify.

I don't know if there is a role that exactly matches a cop. I am able to cast Prior Incantato once each night to learn the last spell cast from someone's wand.

[MudPuppy]

He hasnt claimed cop, he claimed an investigative role that he didnt specify.

I don't know if there is a role that exactly matches a cop. I am able to cast Prior Incantato once each night to learn the last spell cast from someone's wand.

To me that's cop... at least for mafia hits involving spells (e.g., Avada Kedavra)... though I imagine they may have other ways to kill.