Do you support the Pro-Freedom Venezuelan Demonstrators?

by **ksslemp** on Tue May 29, 2007 9:38 pm

Pro-Democracy Venezuelans are taking to the streets to protest another transgression against their freedoms. i.e. refusing to renew the over-air transmission permit to an independent television network that is very popular and has been in operation since the early 1950's. and oh yeah, they said things about Chavez that he does'nt like. WaWaWa

Just another in a long list of actions by this "Dictator" to consolidate power.

Viva Libertad!

by **ksslemp** on Tue May 29, 2007 10:09 pm

Read this post on http://www.vcrisis.com I like the way this guy puts it.

On Chavez´s closure of Venezuela´s largest TV network
By Aleksander Boyd

26.05.07 - This week we have been treated to a unique spectacle: the illegal decision of Hugo Chavez to close RCTV, Venezuela´s oldest and largest TV network, has predictably drawn a string of criticism from international human rights NGOs, the European Parliament and the US Congress. It would be rather difficult to find an issue that can achieve such consensus from all sides of the political divide. For curtailing freedom of expression is one such issue amongst the world’s democrats, and as in the UK anti benefit fraud campaign “no ifs, no buts…” if an elected leader of a given country is caught closing a media conglomerate solely on the basis of personal animosity to its editorial lines, said leader forfeits the privilege to call himself/herself democratic. Quite simple really, for one of the fundamental principles of democracy is the right to freely express one´s thoughts, read the right to criticise elected civil servants. When civil servants become deranged, letting the reins of galloping megalomania loose, and convincing themselves of their utter infallibility they must believe feasible and acceptable doing with a country and all its citizens what they please, as if it were a personal fiefdom. Then they go round closing TV networks, confiscating private property, nationalising industries, pilling up weapons, fuelling narcoguerrillas and funding continental `revolutions,´ imprisoning and assassinating political foes, and espousing a characteristically imperial behaviour. History is chock full of examples, Hugo Chavez has become just one of the latest.

by **luns101** on Tue May 29, 2007 11:59 pm

It's only a matter of time before this thread will be overrun by those who believe that this is somehow the fault of the United States. It will be fun to watch.

by **helmut** on Wed May 30, 2007 12:04 am

How was it illegal to refuse to renew the station's license? It is the president's decision. He is given the power to renew or not to renew by the constitution. It's legal. Stop bitching.

by **Avron** on Wed May 30, 2007 12:05 am

helmut wrote:How was it illegal to refuse to renew the station's license? It is the president's decision. He is given the power to renew or not to renew by the constitution. It's legal. Stop bitching.

Why do you go around posting rude crap? They support it because the people of venezuela think its illegal you twit, if the people of the country don't support their leaders action then that is immoral and illegal, the people should rule not the man.

by **helmut** on Wed May 30, 2007 12:12 am

Avron wrote:
helmut wrote:How was it illegal to refuse to renew the station's license? It is the president's decision. He is given the power to renew or not to renew by the constitution. It's legal. Stop bitching.

Why do you go around posting rude crap? They support it because the people of venezuela think its illegal you twit, if the people of the country don't support their leaders action then that is immoral and illegal, the people should rule not the man.

ROFL, the "people of Venezuela"? What bullshit is this? The "people of Venezuela" support Chavez. They elected him and they support him - he consistently scores around 70% in opinion polls. It's the American goverment that doesn't support him. They see him as a dangerous opponent of American globalization.

Try not to be a lemming. Do a little research, and develop your own ideas instead of mindlessly believing everything Fox News tells you.

by **spurgistan** on Wed May 30, 2007 12:20 am

helmut wrote:
Avron wrote:
helmut wrote:How was it illegal to refuse to renew the station's license? It is the president's decision. He is given the power to renew or not to renew by the constitution. It's legal. Stop bitching.

Why do you go around posting rude crap? They support it because the people of venezuela think its illegal you twit, if the people of the country don't support their leaders action then that is immoral and illegal, the people should rule not the man.
ROFL, the "people of Venezuela"? What bullshit is this? The "people of Venezuela" support Chavez. They elected him and they support him - he consistently scores around 70% in opinion polls. It's the American goverment that doesn't support him. They see him as a dangerous opponent of American globalization.

Try not to be a lemming. Do a little research, and develop your own ideas instead of mindlessly believing everything Fox News tells you.

Yeah, but there is a legitimate opposition (even if 70% voted for Chavez...) and even if it's mostly a pro-American corporatist agenda, they deserve to have their views represented.

by **helmut** on Wed May 30, 2007 12:22 am

spurgistan wrote:
helmut wrote:
Avron wrote:
helmut wrote:How was it illegal to refuse to renew the station's license? It is the president's decision. He is given the power to renew or not to renew by the constitution. It's legal. Stop bitching.

Why do you go around posting rude crap? They support it because the people of venezuela think its illegal you twit, if the people of the country don't support their leaders action then that is immoral and illegal, the people should rule not the man.
ROFL, the "people of Venezuela"? What bullshit is this? The "people of Venezuela" support Chavez. They elected him and they support him - he consistently scores around 70% in opinion polls. It's the American goverment that doesn't support him. They see him as a dangerous opponent of American globalization.

Try not to be a lemming. Do a little research, and develop your own ideas instead of mindlessly believing everything Fox News tells you.

Yeah, but there is a legitimate opposition (even if 70% voted for Chavez...) and even if it's mostly a pro-American corporatist agenda, they deserve to have their views represented.

I agree, I just don't like this blown-out-of-proportion "outcry" about rights for a corrupt private TV station.

by **luns101** on Wed May 30, 2007 12:22 am

helmut wrote:How was it illegal to refuse to renew the station's license? It is the president's decision. He is given the power to renew or not to renew by the constitution. It's legal. Stop bitching.

Better than I could have hoped for! It only took 5 minutes!

by **helmut** on Wed May 30, 2007 12:24 am

luns101 wrote:
helmut wrote:How was it illegal to refuse to renew the station's license? It is the president's decision. He is given the power to renew or not to renew by the constitution. It's legal. Stop bitching.

Better than I could have hoped for! It only took 5 minutes!

$\:D/$

by **beezer** on Wed May 30, 2007 12:25 am

luns101 wrote:
helmut wrote:How was it illegal to refuse to renew the station's license? It is the president's decision. He is given the power to renew or not to renew by the constitution. It's legal. Stop bitching.

Better than I could have hoped for! It only took 5 minutes!

Well technically, he didn't say that it was the fault of the U.S.

by **helmut** on Wed May 30, 2007 12:28 am

beezer wrote:
luns101 wrote:
helmut wrote:How was it illegal to refuse to renew the station's license? It is the president's decision. He is given the power to renew or not to renew by the constitution. It's legal. Stop bitching.

Better than I could have hoped for! It only took 5 minutes!

Well technically, he didn't say that it was the fault of the U.S.

I think the only reason this made news is that U.S. interests don't like Chavez.

Better?

by **luns101** on Wed May 30, 2007 12:30 am

beezer wrote:Well technically, he didn't say that it was the fault of the U.S.

Stick around...it will get much better, trust me. Remember, this is CC.

by **Avron** on Wed May 30, 2007 12:48 am

Are you from the country? NO! You are not. So how can you be so sure that 70% of the "people" voted for this "great" president that does what all the people of the country what him to do? Even there is at least a 30% opposition then simple things like these should obviously be accorded to them. This is not even a big thing for him to do, it was pulled from the air for comments about him, now how is that right? I know you want to be all anti-American, even though your from America, go ahead and join that great hip movement of young people that agree with you, and also the vast majority that say no possible other force could exist such a logical group, but try to not automatically blame America. Take into this might be a logical protest and all take into account your opinion. Don't jump on the America is evil rah rah rah, bandwagon first is all I ask of you.

Website · by **Huckleberryhound** on Wed May 30, 2007 12:53 am

I do not have enough knowledge of the situation to form an educated opinion, so i politely decline the offer to vote in the poll.

by **luns101** on Wed May 30, 2007 1:03 am

Avron wrote:Don't jump on the America is evil rah rah rah, bandwagon first is all I ask of you.

Are you trying to get yourself run out of the forums, Avron?

by **Avron** on Wed May 30, 2007 1:07 am

If a comment like that would get me run out of the forums why the hell would I want to be in it in the first place?

by **luns101** on Wed May 30, 2007 1:12 am

Well, at least you didn't go crazy and say something silly like "America is a nice place to live" or anything like that. I would also caution against other outlandish statements such as "America is a good country". But hey...it's up to you.

by **Anarchist** on Wed May 30, 2007 1:20 am

Avron wrote:
helmut wrote:How was it illegal to refuse to renew the station's license? It is the president's decision. He is given the power to renew or not to renew by the constitution. It's legal. Stop bitching.

Why do you go around posting rude crap? They support it because the people of venezuela think its illegal you twit, if the people of the country don't support their leaders action then that is immoral and illegal, the people should rule not the man.

With the logic being used in this disscussion the 28% approval rating of Bush sets a poor example against Chavez's 70% approval rating.

As posted in Hate venezuela(with a few additions)
What the right fails to mention is that their license expired, they knew a long time ago it would not be renewed. The RCTV is accused of supporting the Coup a short time ago. Playing Cartoons and stating that Hugo had stepped out of office when he had been kidnapped by a group with americas support. What the news fails to report is that RCTV is already operational under a new name(TVes) and in the hands of the public.
http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/

There are still several TV stations in the hands of a few private investors(who also speak openly against Chavez)Along with several mines and factories aswell. Dont worry capitalism isnt dead in Venezuela yet,but soon all of Venezuela will belong to the people. All of it must eventually be bought or confiscated and given back to the people of that country.

To be short
I support the bullshit that Chavo is saying
I don't support the bullshit Bush is saying

by **beezer** on Wed May 30, 2007 1:27 am

Cindy Sheehan "resigned" today. I guess she could always get a job now with the free and independent news outlets down in Venezuela!

by **ksslemp** on Wed May 30, 2007 1:29 am

beezer wrote:Cindy Sheehan "resigned" today. I guess she could always get a job now with the free and independent news outlets down in Venezuela!

I Love It! :lol:

by **luns101** on Wed May 30, 2007 1:31 am

Anarchist wrote:With the logic being used in this disscussion the 28% approval rating of Bush sets a poor example against Chavez's 70% approval rating.

This is more like it. Whew! For a second there I thought we were going to have to listen to 2 conservative posts in a row. Glad we all survived.

by **Avron** on Wed May 30, 2007 1:34 am

I don't support bush one bit, check my other thread, can't stand the guy, I was just making a point(Ironic that all these kids in America think its such a bad country because of the actions of a few leaders, yes kids that makes us a bad country, now heres a cookie). I'm in that 72% that doesn't approve.

by **luns101** on Wed May 30, 2007 1:41 am

Avron wrote:I don't support bush one bit, check my other thread, can't stand the guy, I was just making a point(Ironic that all these kids in America think its such a bad country because of the actions of a few leaders, yes kids that makes us a bad country, now heres a cookie). I'm in that 72% that doesn't approve.

Good to hear...I was beginning to worry about CC there for a second.

by **ksslemp** on Wed May 30, 2007 1:44 am

Anarchist wrote:
Avron wrote:
helmut wrote:How was it illegal to refuse to renew the station's license? It is the president's decision. He is given the power to renew or not to renew by the constitution. It's legal. Stop bitching.

Why do you go around posting rude crap? They support it because the people of venezuela think its illegal you twit, if the people of the country don't support their leaders action then that is immoral and illegal, the people should rule not the man.

With the logic being used in this disscussion the 28% approval rating of Bush sets a poor example against Chavez's 70% approval rating.

As posted in Hate venezuela(with a few additions)
What the right fails to mention is that their license expired, they knew a long time ago it would not be renewed. The RCTV is accused of supporting the Coup a short time ago. Playing Cartoons and stating that Hugo had stepped out of office when he had been kidnapped by a group with americas support. What the news fails to report is that RCTV is already operational under a new name(TVes) and in the hands of the public.
http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/

There are still several TV stations in the hands of a few private investors(who also speak openly against Chavez)Along with several mines and factories aswell. Dont worry capitalism isnt dead in Venezuela yet,but soon all of Venezuela will belong to the people. All of it must eventually be bought or confiscated and given back to the people of that country.

To be short
I support the bullshit that Chavo is saying
I don't support the bullshit Bush is saying

It's not "RCTV" over-air network that's operational, the gov't seized (aka stole) their equipment and is using it for their new gov't (public) station which falls under the direction of senior Goebbels.

If you are an Anarchist as your name implies, i'm surprised that you would support a Chavez administration over a Bush one. Chavez would be a much bigger threat to your civil liberties!