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[dazza2008]

Yeah like wringing fellow death eaters neck,and claiming all the credit lol?

I got better things to do than talk to you Mrs.Norris right?

See how the student streaker is improving at being Wizard? See how much of a student he is. goody to shoes he is.

What?

[StorrZerg]

virus, needs to improve his finding charm, cause his death eater case is weak. Odd he seems to like sempai And can "relate"

Big game or not, forgetting why you attack someone doesn't usually happen I'd you are a student. Death eaters on the other hand.. so I don't ger how virus relates to sempai.

I don't think virus as a student has ever forgotten why he pushed on someone on day 1.

[dazza2008]

I didn't understand any of that either.

[got tonkaed]

Storr could you maybe drop the in character posting? I mean I know it is adding to the game for you but if people are struggling with it all day, it's probably doing more harm than good.

[StorrZerg]

virus, needs to improve his finding charm, cause his death eater case is weak. Odd he seems to like sempai And can "relate"

Big game or not, forgetting why you attack someone doesn't usually happen I'd you are a student. Death eaters on the other hand.. so I don't ger how virus relates to sempai.

I don't think virus as a student has ever forgotten why he pushed on someone on day 1.

Tldr.

Virus scum suspect is a poor/ easy push on bg, who is tunneling. I expect more from him than that. Its doing what needs to be done to get bg more involved. Yet, I expect a more serious push than that.

His decision to "understand " sempai is weird. Sempai has been caught in a Lie. Or "being forgetful" on why he originally pushed tambo. Not to mention his continued push on tambo is

I don't think I've ever seen virus, get confused as to why he originally pushed someone on day 1 as a town. Thus I find it odd that he can understand sempai and give him a pass.

In general I don't think towns forget why they found someone scummy during day 1.

Mafia tend to not care, push with what ever, and have to make up why someone is scum.

[charm]

UNVOTE - skill showed up. But, If someone is going to miss more than 2 days then I think they nned a replacement or partner. It's not fair to the rest of us and it's such a sign of being mafia.

As for not knowing the storyline, if you don't know then watch the movies. I think we need to play with flavor, what's the point of a storyline if you're not going to be in character. So, Zerg-ee baby, you carry on. Rage and Tank - go watch the movies.

I have no intentions on voting for Storr or MTam on Day 1. I totally agree with Streaker and other that we should focus on a couple. So maybe we can determine which one to focus on first. From what I see, Semp is on the short list. Who else??

Also we should determine what some of the roles are in this 24 player game then try and identify some of the players.
How many town - 15-18?
Power roles?
How many mafia - 6-8?
Survivors - 1-3? We know of Filch (storr)
Serial Killer - 1?
Vig - 1?

We can assume that some of the key players are in the game - Harry, Hermione, Ron Weasley, Hagrid, Snape, Dumbledore, few other teachers.Voldermort would be mafia - I'll be watching the movies this weekend and will help to pull together a more comprehensive list of list of the the death eaters in the movie so we can hopefully figure out who to target.

[got tonkaed]

Quite nearly a pot calling the kettle moment there.

People should have fun and should be involved with the flavor, but it is still a mafia game. If you are roleplaying a character to the point where every few posts we need to have a reset it probably isn't helping (and might not be so clear roleplaying...). By all means breadcrumb a role if you have to, but really more activity from all but like six people is probably encouraged!

I dont really agree with anything you posted about game set up or think that is the right way to go about figuring out who the baddies are. Given that the rule post suggests there are a variety of roles it is probably a stretch to assume we have 15 townies, and this ignores entirely the whole recruitment element (which more than one person has posted leads them to believe there is a cult).

All that we end up doing by trying to post a bunch of different roles is give out a bunch of fake claims. We don't get anything from stating what roles we think are in the game on day 1, besides giving someone the chance to breadcrumb (which they can do anyway).

So basically I am confused why you would want to follow Streaker's narrow things down bit (even if we have already done that, sempai is essentially the one pressure target) and then in the same post try to do the opposite of narrow things down and put us farther in the mud.

[dazza2008]

I agree with got tonkaed there. Surely it's mafia. You don't need to know the flavour of harry potter to play. I don't have the time to watch the movies and to be honest if I did have the time I would probably go and do something I want to do.

To be honest a lot of me not knowing what stor was saying was due to it not making sense rather than the flavour.

I still don't trust stor's play so far so I will leave my vote there.

[StorrZerg]

@dazza, being lazy I see, no reads other than "ooo o don't trust him" lol.

Mrs Norris let's go look for some students out past curfew

[charm]

@Tonka...whatever, you are boring me with your silly comments.
I find understanding the statistics in the beginning helps to identify the probability of hitting scum. Or maybe it's just been luck on my part. But regardless, I have pretty good instincts at sniffing out scum, You have been raising my eyebrow every time you make a comment. Yet, I'm not convinced that you should be hung up just yet, maybe it would be better to have you on the short list and apply some pressure.

So Tonka, answer this...
If you think Sempei is the one pressure target, then why are you not placing a vote on him?
Who else do you think we should look at?
Do you agree that Storr and MTam should come off of Day 1 list?
What will you base yout vote on?
When are you going to place a vote?

[got tonkaed]

I had been involved quite a bit on the mtam/storr arguments, so it is not like I was just sitting around waiting to vote sempai.

The statistics stuff was done in the first two pages of content. We can go back and do a lot more with statistics on days 2 and 3, once we actually have some kind of basis for what people can do and how that might shape what roles they have. Considering you haven't mentioned me in a post before I brought you up, I am glad you finally decided to bring your suspicions to light, nothing worse than a skimmer with a grudge.

I dont think Sempai is the only pressure target, but he is the one being considered the most right now. Since we don't have a deadline I am fine with us literally pushing every single inactive until they post or something more obvious shows up.

I will base my vote on a variety of stuff but mostly OMGUS reasoning and poor logic. I think I have actually placed the most votes, so probably fairly soon.

Hope this helps.

[Talapus]

Wow, that was a lot to read. Anyway going to sum up what I got out of all this and go from there. Here goes:

Filch isn't a plain old squib student, filch doesn't meddle with the dark arts, filch only cares about keeping Hogwarts maintained. No matter who is in charge.

Pretty blatant survivor claim right there though he certainly didn't come right out and say, "Yep, I'm a survivor."

You are so dumb. I've claimed 3rd party survivor, yet that's not obvious I guess.

3rd party yes, survivor no.
sempai

Was posted a page or two before this comment and again I thought it was pretty clear.

If hes not he will die tonight, you should be fousing on finding mafia.

If you think hes scum he will die in the night, sheep my vote instead

Why in the world you come out this way to make a blanket statement that Storr will die in the night and basically claim a kill ability D1 is beyond me. A survivor is zero threat to town or mafia. Recruitable as hell which is dumb on Storr's part as the different recruiting factions in this game will fight to have him. But making statements like he is going to die the way you are makes people think you are claiming powers you may or may not have.

He never thought I was a death eater he was being a dickhead

Not really a good justification for having a vote on someone and it seems he made one comment and you got angry so was all about a lynching. Just as an observation feel free to bring the anger and hatred down a notch as you seem to take some posts in this game pretty hard.

I also don't like how sempai, degaston, endgame all jumped on mtam within 6 posts of each other, just because Storr said so. That's kind of ridiculous and I think there's at least 1 baddie out of those three.

I didn't like it much either but I don't trust the way stor has played here so it's hard to judge them on that. As I was reading through it seemed like stor must have something solid to go on. Turns out he had f*ck all but can yoou really blame others for thinking he had something?

Storr making stuff up, pretending he's sure about stuff when he's just guessing? Sounds about right for him... at this point I rarely believe anything he says he knows, because 90% of it is made up. Unfortunately, he does this just as much or even more so when town, so it's not a good read on him.

Honestly, I read this more as his character playing more then making stuff up. In the books and movies Filch always thought the kids were up to crap or responsible for something. But yes, not a good way to get a read either way.

Well find out in the night phase then wont we what storr claims to be

Really??? I mean seriously what in the world are you hoping to gain by making statements like this. You want us all to believe you have a power role and are pro-town? Want to put a target on your back? What?

Besides if mtam really kills storr night 1 there is no need to lynch him day 1. which brings me to mtam, MTAM are you a vig?
seriously charm mentioned it slightly but why are not more people on this? mtam claims being able to kill storr, threatens to do so. and charm mentioned a bit about it but that was about all. No questions asked really; it raises all kind of questions with me:
easy for mafia to say i kill storr tonight so i prove im vig while being mafia. / why would you claim vig day 1 trying to lynch a possible 3th party? is there no better shot then storr? / is he even a vig or just shouting something and making a false threat (i think i might have seen that before)....
so whats up with this ? mtam are you still planning to kill storr? so many questions... and i dont understand why no one asked these...

Agreed, making this power claim just provides more questions then answers. Certainly won't prove a damn thing come tomorrow so it's usless anyway. With Storr and MTAM bickering back and forth multiple people will probably focus their night actions on them. With bus driving, investigations, blocking, NK's and the like how the hell would we be able to really believe anything from the two of you. Anything could happen in the night MTAM could take credit or deny any action taken based on what does happen and still get us no closer to understanding the faction you are in. I certainly don't trust you or Storr and dislike how you have made claims such as you have day 1.....but regardless feel a vote for either of you at this stage is totally useless.

God knows if either of you was playing a main deatheater or the big V himself it is a reckless play style that draws far too much attention. I'd bet money the real scum are far quieter in the background of this game barely talking and watching you two just go at one another.

So a few other points I'd like to make:
-Why pressure Mtamb now? He claimed some kind of vig. He also claimed to shoot Storr tonight. Some of you want to get rid of Storr. See where I'm going with this? It doesn't do anything to vote for either of these 2 players. This situation will resolve itself in the next day.
(Either Mtamb proves his role and we are rid of Storr - who is definitely not a town player, or Mtamb fails and is caught lying which gives us a great place to start D2).

Again, there are zero promises this resolves itself. Yes I believe a vote for either is a waste but what is up with all the blanket statements from peeps in this game? "Storr - who is definitely not a town player" I'm sorry just because no one has come forward and claimed Filch certainly doesn't mean Storr is Filch. May be town, survivor, mafia, whatever....but unless you have inside info the fact is you don't know. Also the fact the situation will resolve itself is BS as well. It may, but I find it far more likely people will target those two tonight and with multiple actions we may be just as confused tomorrow from what happened as I am right now.

I just feel like I watched the Storr and MTAM show with bit cameo appearences from a few other players who all have weak cases against them at best. Yes it's day 1 and yes that is all we typically get but I think we would be far more productive looking at some quieter players then spending anymore time on this nonsense. Going to go back through now and focus on something other then this argument to no where and see what else looks promising.

I shall return.

[charm]

@Tonka - fair enough! Thanks for your speedy reply.

[Streaker]

UNVOTE - skill showed up. But, If someone is going to miss more than 2 days then I think they nned a replacement or partner. It's not fair to the rest of us and it's such a sign of being mafia.

As for not knowing the storyline, if you don't know then watch the movies. I think we need to play with flavor, what's the point of a storyline if you're not going to be in character. So, Zerg-ee baby, you carry on. Rage and Tank - go watch the movies.

I have no intentions on voting for Storr or MTam on Day 1. I totally agree with Streaker and other that we should focus on a couple. So maybe we can determine which one to focus on first. From what I see, Semp is on the short list. Who else??

Also we should determine what some of the roles are in this 24 player game then try and identify some of the players.
How many town - 15-18?
Power roles?
How many mafia - 6-8?
Survivors - 1-3? We know of Filch (storr)
Serial Killer - 1?
Vig - 1?

We can assume that some of the key players are in the game - Harry, Hermione, Ron Weasley, Hagrid, Snape, Dumbledore, few other teachers.Voldermort would be mafia - I'll be watching the movies this weekend and will help to pull together a more comprehensive list of list of the the death eaters in the movie so we can hopefully figure out who to target.

Say charm, why are you so interested in getting some of the roles out? We already have 2 claims (or soft claims, at least). I'd agree that I would want to see Sempai be taken to L-2 and a claim, but imo that should be enough for D1 to make a decision on who to lynch.
A list of the death eater characters in the books/movies would be helpfull, but do we seriously expect scum to not have fake claims? Rather put pressure on the scummy players now, that should be priority not the list you suggest.

A FOS on charm for drawing away attention from the actual scum hunting and directing it to setup, and another FOS for wanting to draw out more roles.

[virus90]

virus, needs to improve his finding charm, cause his death eater case is weak. Odd he seems to like sempai And can "relate"

Big game or not, forgetting why you attack someone doesn't usually happen I'd you are a student. Death eaters on the other hand.. so I don't ger how virus relates to sempai.

I don't think virus as a student has ever forgotten why he pushed on someone on day 1.

Tldr.

Virus scum suspect is a poor/ easy push on bg, who is tunneling. I expect more from him than that. Its doing what needs to be done to get bg more involved. Yet, I expect a more serious push than that.

His decision to "understand " sempai is weird. Sempai has been caught in a Lie. Or "being forgetful" on why he originally pushed tambo. Not to mention his continued push on tambo is

I don't think I've ever seen virus, get confused as to why he originally pushed someone on day 1 as a town. Thus I find it odd that he can understand sempai and give him a pass.

In general I don't think towns forget why they found someone scummy during day 1.

Mafia tend to not care, push with what ever, and have to make up why someone is scum.

sorry storr but did you just miss my previous post ?
i voted sempai yesterday.

as for who to vote, i think i side with streaker, i townread him and with his further explaining the case on sempai i now see what he means (in contrast to my previous post) and can agree to some more pressure and i think votes are needed for that.
thus:
unvote vote sempai

or do i now misunderstand what you mean?
either way; i think that makes it clear that im not giving sempai a pass at all. so thats why i got the feeling that you missed my previous message.


note: I find it odd that endgame suddenly shows up when called out for being a bit inactive.

[Streaker]

If anyone thinks Tonka is still scum after his last couple posts, imma gonna lynch you.

Dazza really needs to develop his read more then just the 'I don't trust you for no particular reason' thing he has going on. Like storr said.
No read on Talapus yet.
I am waiting on the usual big ass post coming from strike wolf. Have a towny vibe on him though.

Mudpuppy scummy vibe for instantly reacting when he get's prodded, but still no actual decent posts yet.
Waiting on skillfulsniper also to start playing.

Aage towny vibe also because he has seen the light on my Sempai case and general effort.
Would like to see a few more posts from Degaston and raigan to make up my mind about them. Could swing either way.

Haven't heard much from Pershy, either.

So most inactive players:

-Pixar
-sniper
-pershy
-madmitch
-mudpuppy
-dd515087

FP'd by virus, whom I read as town. That makes 2 for Mudpuppy read.

[madmitch]

after reading and rereading the posts Ifeel like Iwas turned to stone by a basilisk,thanks to the mandrake babies screaming I can make a bit of sense of things. first of all ifstorr is 3rd party then it makes sense to hang him now.UNVOTE VOTE SEMPAI

[aage]

Did mtam ever claim town vig? From what I've read, all he did was threaten to use his night action on Storr, and declare that Storr will die tonight if he isn't lynched today. To me, that says serial killer at best. My vote stays.
I'm still wondering why streaker thinks mtam is town. I don't get that feel at all.
Do you guys want me to nameclaim or something?

sempai

I said SK at best - I didn't say he necessarily was an SK.
I'd imagine it would be a lot easier for town to win with a live vig than a dead one.

sempai

This is exactly the kind of shit I vote you for.
"He's probably SK!"
"why SK?"
"I said PROBABLY..."

You're giving reads, but not giving reads? That smells very much like scum to me.

Madmitch your post makes no sense. We should hang Storr if he's third party, but you're voting Sempai? You could give reasons instead of blatantly sheep. FoS

I don't like Charm's post about what roles are supposedly in the game, I already said earlier that I dislike playing the mod. There isn't a single piece of solid evidence or information on the table so making predictions about the setup is useless.

I get a towny vibe from Strike because he makes the same arguments I would make/am making, but I always tend to read Strike as town because I find him inherently trustworthy. It's the puppy eyes of his avatar.

[Streaker]

after reading and rereading the posts Ifeel like Iwas turned to stone by a basilisk,thanks to the mandrake babies screaming I can make a bit of sense of things. first of all ifstorr is 3rd party then it makes sense to hang him now.UNVOTE VOTE SEMPAI

It always takes me a lot of time to process your posts, when you actually try to write something worthy.

I will assume you mean 'it makes NO sense to hang him now', as your previous vote was on Storr and you unvoted.

[madmitch]

@streaker, yes you're right, just hope more will follow

[sempaispellcheck]

Did mtam ever claim town vig? From what I've read, all he did was threaten to use his night action on Storr, and declare that Storr will die tonight if he isn't lynched today. To me, that says serial killer at best. My vote stays.
I'm still wondering why streaker thinks mtam is town. I don't get that feel at all.
Do you guys want me to nameclaim or something?

sempai

I said SK at best - I didn't say he necessarily was an SK.
I'd imagine it would be a lot easier for town to win with a live vig than a dead one.

sempai

This is exactly the kind of shit I vote you for.
"He's probably SK!"
"why SK?"
"I said PROBABLY..."

You're giving reads, but not giving reads? That smells very much like scum to me.

I'm trying to give reads, but I don't seem to be giving them very well, I suppose - this is my first time trying to give reads.
mtam's belligerence gives me a very anti-town vibe - probably scum, but if not scum, then 3rd-party.
I buy his nightkill claim, and I don't think he should be given a chance to use it.

sempai

[StorrZerg]

@sempai who brags about being able to use the Avada Kedavra Curse? Secondly, he said i would only die if i lied. So there is some misery to his claim, and tbh doesn't matter. Information can come form his action, and you want to stifle it.

@Sempai: How would Filch make a good day cop?

He's the caretaker - he essentially polices the castle and is responsible for punishing misbehaving students.

sempai

So from thinking i'm cop to...

I kind of like the idea of following someone else's lead early on in the hope that the result will give us some information on that person as well (hence my mtam vote - looking to shed a little more light on Storr).

Wanting to see where Storr Vs Mtamb leads. While "not defending storr, and still thinking he could be anti town"

My next thought was, if scum could technically use him, why don't we try to beat them to the punch? But, more importantly, let's see where he's trying to lead us, in order to get an idea of how helpful/harmful he will be. He's insisting mtam is scum, so let's go for mtam. If he flips town, we know we probably shouldn't trust Filch. If he flips scum, we may be able to.

Seems to be setting up the result of Storr vs mtamb. Not actually thinking about peoples actions.

Also, I unvoted Storr, in case you weren't looking, and am no longer interested in getting him lynched today.

to me this seems a bit defensive, "hey look im not pushing him any more you can back off now" Yet his words don't say that latter. He keeps putting me off to the side, referring back to lynching me. If he was trying to move on from this, and look else where for scum he would do so. Instead he is just tied up with lynching the "3rd party cause oo might turn into a death eater"
Or Mtamb for "hey he can possible kill! thats dangerous!"
Also many of his posts are backtracking a lot of what he has said... its just weird.

@sempai Give some comments on Strike wolf, Mudpuppy, jbfloyd, dd515087, i don't' think you have mentioned them that much. Might help to get a better understanding on you if you can talk about a few more people.

Also Talapus with the overly paranoid approach to the game, or knowing to much

Why in the world you come out this way to make a blanket statement that Storr will die in the night and basically claim a kill ability D1 is beyond me. A survivor is zero threat to town or mafia. Recruitable as hell which is dumb on Storr's part as the different recruiting factions in this game will fight to have him. But making statements like he is going to die the way you are makes people think you are claiming powers you may or may not have.

Why would one assume there would be multiple factions?

[StorrZerg]

@sempai who brags about being able to use the Avada Kedavra Curse? Secondly, he said i would only die if i lied. So there is some misery to his claim, and tbh doesn't matter. Information can come form his action, and you want to stifle it.

@Sempai: How would Filch make a good day cop?

He's the caretaker - he essentially polices the castle and is responsible for punishing misbehaving students.

sempai

So from thinking i'm cop to...

I kind of like the idea of following someone else's lead early on in the hope that the result will give us some information on that person as well (hence my mtam vote - looking to shed a little more light on Storr).

Wanting to see where Storr Vs Mtamb leads. While "not defending storr, and still thinking he could be anti town"

My next thought was, if scum could technically use him, why don't we try to beat them to the punch? But, more importantly, let's see where he's trying to lead us, in order to get an idea of how helpful/harmful he will be. He's insisting mtam is scum, so let's go for mtam. If he flips town, we know we probably shouldn't trust Filch. If he flips scum, we may be able to.

Seems to be setting up the result of Storr vs mtamb. Not actually thinking about peoples actions.

Also, I unvoted Storr, in case you weren't looking, and am no longer interested in getting him lynched today.

to me this seems a bit defensive, "hey look im not pushing him any more you can back off now" Yet his words don't say that latter. He keeps putting me off to the side, referring back to lynching me. If he was trying to move on from this, and look else where for scum he would do so. Instead he is just tied up with lynching the "3rd party cause oo might turn into a death eater"
Or Mtamb for "hey he can possible kill! thats dangerous!"
Also many of his posts are backtracking a lot of what he has said... its just weird.

@sempai Give some comments on Strike wolf, Mudpuppy, jbfloyd, dd515087, i don't' think you have mentioned them that much. Might help to get a better understanding on you if you can talk about a few more people.

Also Talapus with the overly paranoid approach to the game, or knowing to much

Why in the world you come out this way to make a blanket statement that Storr will die in the night and basically claim a kill ability D1 is beyond me. A survivor is zero threat to town or mafia. Recruitable as hell which is dumb on Storr's part as the different recruiting factions in this game will fight to have him. But making statements like he is going to die the way you are makes people think you are claiming powers you may or may not have.

Why would one assume there would be multiple factions?

[degaston]

Watch out - somebody put the Gemino curse on Storr! Pretty soon the forum will be filled with nothing but duplicates of his posts!

(just trying to add a little flavor - I'll try to post something more intelligent later.)

[degaston]

Watch out - somebody put the Gemino curse on Storr! Pretty soon the forum will be filled with nothing but duplicates of his posts!

(just trying to add a little flavor - I'll try to post something more intelligent later.)