Double Fanucci Mafia (4/14) Endgame

[HotShot53]

So everyone is neutral or slight town apart from IB? No mafia read or Streaker, NoS or Storr? Thats just odd. I dont see how anyone in this game can not think that at least one of them is mafia.

Unvote Vote Hotshot

Since then you still havent actually made any accusations of anyone. So my opinion hasnt changed.

I had given my opinions about all three of those before, but to make you happy I'll give them again.

NoS I am unsure about, he hasn't been counterclaimed as Doc, but the different win condition is very suspicious. I don't think there will be enough support to lynch a claimed doc today, so that is something to figure out tomorrow.

Streaker I had previously had a neutral read on, but his being the first to question NoS' win condition makes me think he is town.

Storr I had a town read on, since the more crazy he is with throwing around accusations, the more town he usually is.

So of the three, NoS would be the most likely to be scum, but not enough to vote today. IB is still my main scum read.

Who do you have as potential scum?

[StorrZerg]

Are you reading his posts lol?

[HotShot53]

Are you reading his posts lol?

Yes, I am... IB asks a lot of questions, raises concerns about things, sheds doubts on things, but doesn't actually give his opinions on almost anything.

[dd515087]

@dd515087 - Are you going to vote today? Your vote on Streaker is the random vote from the start.

vote HotShot

Almost done catching up, just a couple pages left... You guys had so many posts

I do think HotShot is the best lynch as of now though.

[Iron Butterfly]

Are you reading his posts lol?

Yes, I am... IB asks a lot of questions, raises concerns about things, sheds doubts on things, but doesn't actually give his opinions on almost anything.

Your scum.

[HotShot53]

Are you reading his posts lol?

Yes, I am... IB asks a lot of questions, raises concerns about things, sheds doubts on things, but doesn't actually give his opinions on almost anything.

Your scum.

Sorry, I forgot that you do have a grand total of one read as of now, your OMGUS vote on me

[HotShot53]

@dd515087 - Are you going to vote today? Your vote on Streaker is the random vote from the start.

vote HotShot

Almost done catching up, just a couple pages left... You guys had so many posts

I do think HotShot is the best lynch as of now though.

I guess that puts me at L-2 and claim time, hope you're happy storr lol.

I am Last Fromp, Town Roleblocker. Since win conditions now seem to be part of claims, I have a generic town win condition... to those who have stated they have one also, should I paraphrase it? I don't want to give it away to scum since it seems to be a big issue this game, but if needed to avoid a mislynch on me, I will.

For some reason, my name and my role are in two difference colors... not sure if that means anything or not, or if DY was just having fun with colors.

[StorrZerg]

Gee a scummy role, who would guessed

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Last Fromp

DY is just playing games now, the cards are numbered 0-9 and infinity! Its not even a real card game. Virus - Seeing as you've also googled Double Fanucci, do you have any thoughts on what exactly is going on here. I see that we, the zurfs, are "neutral" with fromps but not "friends". Its all a bit odd

[StorrZerg]

Hotshot your card number

[HotShot53]

Last Fromp

DY is just playing games now, the cards are numbered 0-9 and infinity! Its not even a real card game. Virus - Seeing as you've also googled Double Fanucci, do you have any thoughts on what exactly is going on here. I see that we, the zurfs, are "neutral" with fromps but not "friends". Its all a bit odd

Yeah, I have no idea why he used that name, since I agree it doesn't fit per the wikipedia. Until a few people die I don't think we'll have any idea what relation the names play with regard to the roles or alignments, or if it's pretty much meaningless.

Gee a scummy role, who would guessed

Yeah, I was hoping to not have to claim, because I knew without a doc kind of claim scum would be able to jump on and lynch me, and then blame you and mtam the day after when I turn up town...

[HotShot53]

Hotshot your card number

I said... Last Fromp. I know it doesn't seem to fit, blame DY, maybe he plays a different version than wikipedia shows lol.

[Iron Butterfly]

Last Fromp

DY is just playing games now, the cards are numbered 0-9 and infinity! Its not even a real card game. Virus - Seeing as you've also googled Double Fanucci, do you have any thoughts on what exactly is going on here. I see that we, the zurfs, are "neutral" with fromps but not "friends". Its all a bit odd

At its most simple DY spelled it out.

Play the game not the mod. At its heart this is still a mafia game. While he claims he it may not be balanced he at least hopes it will be balanced. At its heart I think there is a ratio between mafia, town and third parties.

[Iron Butterfly]

@dd515087 - Are you going to vote today? Your vote on Streaker is the random vote from the start.

vote HotShot

Almost done catching up, just a couple pages left... You guys had so many posts

I do think HotShot is the best lynch as of now though.

I guess that puts me at L-2 and claim time, hope you're happy storr lol.

I am Last Fromp, Town Roleblocker. Since win conditions now seem to be part of claims, I have a generic town win condition... to those who have stated they have one also, should I paraphrase it? I don't want to give it away to scum since it seems to be a big issue this game, but if needed to avoid a mislynch on me, I will.

For some reason, my name and my role are in two difference colors... not sure if that means anything or not, or if DY was just having fun with colors.

I am sure you have not thought of PMing DY to make sure it is not some mistake?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Hotshot your card number

I said... Last Fromp. I know it doesn't seem to fit, blame DY, maybe he plays a different version than wikipedia shows lol.

Last will be the same as Infinity in the wikipedia. So its a valid card 'number. '

[NoSurvivors]

I have been sitting here for a while trying to come up with something. But I have nothing. Wing and Hotshot have been making interesting(ly scummy) posts as of late, however this is what sells me:

I suspect we may have overlapping factions for both sides considering the theme. One could be third party who's winning condition is in line with Town. I would think the same could be true of mafia/anti town factions. Perhaps we have independent win conditions as well.

In regards to Wing he has been playing as one who has the Towns best interest weather he is really Town or third party. The fact that he made a chart to show vote counts of each player and voting patterns tells me his is interested in figuring out who really has been playing scummy. A mafia role cop would not have need to do so as all they would need to do is sit back and use their power at their leisure and after discussion with their team.

Right now the only viable lynch candidates are Hotshot and Wing. It seems at the moment we have a stalemate. While it would be nice to lynch scum there is no sure fire guarantee either really is scum but I am more suspect of those voting Wing.

We are also starting to realize that role may not be indicative of alignment this game so what good is a claim? The only indication then of alignment is game play. Who among the two has played like they have Towns best interest?

This.

I feel that either;

Hotshot is scum and IB and wing are town

or;

IB and wing are scum and Hotshot is town.

I understand IB's logic however, and I know IB is not stupid enough to try to deflect attention D1 from his scum buddy (potentially wing) onto hotshot for one day (as we would likely be suspect of them D2 if hotshot was lynched after that sort of deflection, and turned up town. IB is not that stupid, at least I dont think so.

Therefore, along with the fact that Wing has been more productive than hotshot, I will unvote, vote hotshot.

[rishaed]

@dd515087 - Are you going to vote today? Your vote on Streaker is the random vote from the start.

vote HotShot

Almost done catching up, just a couple pages left... You guys had so many posts

I do think HotShot is the best lynch as of now though.

I guess that puts me at L-2 and claim time, hope you're happy storr lol.

I am Last Fromp, Town Roleblocker. Since win conditions now seem to be part of claims, I have a generic town win condition... to those who have stated they have one also, should I paraphrase it? I don't want to give it away to scum since it seems to be a big issue this game, but if needed to avoid a mislynch on me, I will.

For some reason, my name and my role are in two difference colors... not sure if that means anything or not, or if DY was just having fun with colors.

I am sure you have not thought of PMing DY to make sure it is not some mistake?

"The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills, Rand.
I can confirm multiple colors now that the cat is out of the bag.
Also unvote as much as I don't like wing, and mtamb and storr can shove it with the "Don't vote these ppl ever thing", I am not sure I want to lynch him today, or any of the claims for that matter.
Also as far as scum claims Roleblocker is as equally scummy as rolecop perhaps less so, so that argument holds no water between the two.

[Iron Butterfly]

unvote Hot shot.

It now makes sense why he would say there are possibly 2 mafia factions.

[HotShot53]

Well, before someone hammers me, I will give an update to my reads... hopefully this will be of use to the rest of you after I flip town and you know my opinions are honest. My updates are in green.

Ok, now to go through and see who I can find the most scummy... will have to go through the player list to keep it organized.

Players
1. Storrzerg - Has been going hard so far in day 1, seems to be more like his town self, so I am leaning town on him no real change here
2. HotShot53 - Obviously I know I'm town.
3. Iron Butterfly - Hmm... he has posted in here occasionally... but looking back, nothing of substance, it's all generic comments... he tried to bring up the "elephant in the room" of rishead, to cast suspicion on him, but no firm opinions really on him or anyone else... he's been much more active in the other mafia game he's in. I'll have to lean scum for his only activity not adding anything or opinions on anyone
Since then, he has made 2 reads, he got the wagon on NoS rolling, and then backed off after the claim, and then put an OMGUS vote on me (I know he claims it wasn't an OMGUS vote, but it sure seems it to me) Otherwise... he still asks lots of questions, raises questions, but doesn't give too many actual opinions. does anyone know what his reads are on anyone other than me? Plus, he had no idea what was different about NoS's full claim, which means he does not have the generic town win condition
4. WingCmdr Ginkapo - new to mafia on these forums (not sure about experience elsewhere), but seems to be trying and pretty active, will lean town claimed role cop and that his win condition was to eliminate mafia. Not really sure what to make of the different win conditions at this point, so will be neutral until that's figured out
5. Streaker - has been somewhat active, nothing really stands out about him really... neutral read was the first to question NoS's win condition, which I don't think a scum would do since they shouldn't have the town win condition. So I am leaning town now
6. mtamburini - decided that because I said something sarcastic I was scum, and stuck with it with his usual stubbornness... I did like his comment wondering about IB & streaker, so far they are 2 that I would be wondering about too. His recent posts have moved me to more leaning town rather than just neutral since then, hasn't done too much other than just say I am scum... unfortunately, this isn't too out of character for him, but is really not helpful, so I'm back to neutral
7. virus90 - has only made 2 posts since his joke vote. He is usually not very active on day 1's, but this is a bit bad... his two posts are decent however... I'll say neutral at this point Since then he has been a little more active, and I've pretty much agreed with everything he's said... I would lean town now
8. strike wolf - seems to be pretty active and scum hunting, even if I was one of his early scum reads. I would lean town for him recently has pressed NoS over the win condition. I still lean town for him
9. metsfanmax - I don't know if it's just his position about day 1 being almost a waste at voting, or what... some of his posts just rub me the wrong way. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since it seems to be his normal day 1 position, and give him a neutral reading Still nothing that strikes me as particularly towny/scummy for the most part. He is on my case although never said anything in particular I did scummy, could be a bandwagon vote mostly. Still neutral, but he deserves looking at a bit closer tomorrow
10. NoSurvivors - Hasn't made a ton of posts, most of them seem ok... still neutral for now claimed doc, but with a different win condition (other factions eliminated) Not counterclaimed, so don't know what's going on with the different win conditions. Neutral for now
11. Army of GOD - Same as NoSurvivors, hasn't made a ton of posts, most of them seem ok... still neutral for now He seems to be trying harder recently. Don't like some of his posts, but it could just be the way he posts, he often gets lynched for sounding scummy even when he isn't. still neutral
12. TeeGee - inactive, am looking forward to his promised post after going through it all. replaced by dd515087. dd voted me for no given reason other than I was "the best lynch as of now" Still catching up so he hasn't posted anything else. I guess neutral for now, he better be more active tomorrow especially after the bandwagon vote
13. TA1LGUNN3R - Not many posts, not much content other than getting in a pissing match with storr. Neutral for now was inactive for a week. His 2 recent posts seem ok... am neutral, but he better be more active tomorrow
14. rishaed - Seems to have a post restriction, other than when making votes for someone which is the only time he posts in his own words. For oly posting in quotes, he's said more than a lot of other people. I'm leaning town. I like pretty much all of his posts, post restriction or not. Still leaning town

[Army of GOD]

the double fanucci flavor of the game is confusing the f*ck out of me, being multiplied with rishaed's PR thing that he has going on.

I don't see how Hotshot's role as a roleblocker is any more or less scummy than Wing's. Since I have a stronger scum read on Wing at the moment I'm going to keep my vote on him.


for the record, my scum reads in order from least scummy to most scummy is: Hotshot, Storr, strike and Wing with my vote on Wing.

[Metsfanmax]

I an amused that Hotshot calls me a bandwagon voter even though my vote is chronologically first on him compared to everyone else, and I haven't changed my vote in days.

On the other hand, roleblocker is a pretty ballsy thing to claim as scum.

[virus90]

although i dont have 2 different colours apparently some people do, and im pretty sure they would nto nescesarily tell that/ be confortable telling that, if they where scum. This gives me more reason to believe that DY had fun with colors and/or win cons, but as said before; we will probably see by deaths day 1.
i stay with wing, he failed to deliver these kind of messages and raised more questions, n00bie, maybe yes, but it cant be the excuse for everything. i am afraid we are heading for a no lynch

[Streaker]

I have been sitting here for a while trying to come up with something. But I have nothing. Wing and Hotshot have been making interesting(ly scummy) posts as of late, however this is what sells me:

I suspect we may have overlapping factions for both sides considering the theme. One could be third party who's winning condition is in line with Town. I would think the same could be true of mafia/anti town factions. Perhaps we have independent win conditions as well.

In regards to Wing he has been playing as one who has the Towns best interest weather he is really Town or third party. The fact that he made a chart to show vote counts of each player and voting patterns tells me his is interested in figuring out who really has been playing scummy. A mafia role cop would not have need to do so as all they would need to do is sit back and use their power at their leisure and after discussion with their team.

Right now the only viable lynch candidates are Hotshot and Wing. It seems at the moment we have a stalemate. While it would be nice to lynch scum there is no sure fire guarantee either really is scum but I am more suspect of those voting Wing.

We are also starting to realize that role may not be indicative of alignment this game so what good is a claim? The only indication then of alignment is game play. Who among the two has played like they have Towns best interest?

This.

I feel that either;

Hotshot is scum and IB and wing are town

or;

IB and wing are scum and Hotshot is town.

I understand IB's logic however, and I know IB is not stupid enough to try to deflect attention D1 from his scum buddy (potentially wing) onto hotshot for one day (as we would likely be suspect of them D2 if hotshot was lynched after that sort of deflection, and turned up town. IB is not that stupid, at least I dont think so.

Therefore, along with the fact that Wing has been more productive than hotshot, I will unvote, vote hotshot.

That's an interesting feeling you have there. You've been voting for Wing most of the game.
Now you state that you think 1 of 2 things is likely (see above bolded). You have made your point about wing being scum, yet when you yourself present 2 options in only 1 of which wing is scum, now you consider him Town? That's just a big joke.

You try to justify your switch but it's really nothing more then sheeping IB. I might feel differently if you try to explain why YOU think wing suddenly doesn't deserve your vote anymore. It doesn't add up... as you switch your vote from someone you consider scummy, to another player (bandwagoning the easy way out) AND now putting your main scum read paired with a town read?
This post makes me reconsider lynching NoS.

[NoSurvivors]

I have been sitting here for a while trying to come up with something. But I have nothing. Wing and Hotshot have been making interesting(ly scummy) posts as of late, however this is what sells me:

I suspect we may have overlapping factions for both sides considering the theme. One could be third party who's winning condition is in line with Town. I would think the same could be true of mafia/anti town factions. Perhaps we have independent win conditions as well.

In regards to Wing he has been playing as one who has the Towns best interest weather he is really Town or third party. The fact that he made a chart to show vote counts of each player and voting patterns tells me his is interested in figuring out who really has been playing scummy. A mafia role cop would not have need to do so as all they would need to do is sit back and use their power at their leisure and after discussion with their team.

Right now the only viable lynch candidates are Hotshot and Wing. It seems at the moment we have a stalemate. While it would be nice to lynch scum there is no sure fire guarantee either really is scum but I am more suspect of those voting Wing.

We are also starting to realize that role may not be indicative of alignment this game so what good is a claim? The only indication then of alignment is game play. Who among the two has played like they have Towns best interest?

This.

I feel that either;

Hotshot is scum and IB and wing are town

or;

IB and wing are scum and Hotshot is town.

I understand IB's logic however, and I know IB is not stupid enough to try to deflect attention D1 from his scum buddy (potentially wing) onto hotshot for one day (as we would likely be suspect of them D2 if hotshot was lynched after that sort of deflection, and turned up town. IB is not that stupid, at least I dont think so.

Therefore, along with the fact that Wing has been more productive than hotshot, I will unvote, vote hotshot.

That's an interesting feeling you have there. You've been voting for Wing most of the game.
Now you state that you think 1 of 2 things is likely (see above bolded). You have made your point about wing being scum, yet when you yourself present 2 options in only 1 of which wing is scum, now you consider him Town? That's just a big joke.

You try to justify your switch but it's really nothing more then sheeping IB. I might feel differently if you try to explain why YOU think wing suddenly doesn't deserve your vote anymore. It doesn't add up... as you switch your vote from someone you consider scummy, to another player (bandwagoning the easy way out) AND now putting your main scum read paired with a town read?
This post makes me reconsider lynching NoS.

If you read closely, you will find that my feeling is based on IB, not wing. Wing has been playing scummy, but then again so have I according to most. However, I am town. so although I would be ok with a lynch on either one of these two, I think possibly that although wing has been scummy, so has hotshot. Hotshot and IB have been going at it pretty hard in this game, so it wouldn't surprise me if they are on opposite teams. The reason I believe that IB and wing could be on the same team is because if hotshot flips town, I think that wing and IB are both scum. It COULD be that wing and hotshot both are scum, I hadnt thought of that, however at least wing, as IB said, is helping town a bit.

As virus has mentioned, if we do not decide WITHIN LESS THAN 24 HOURS, then we will have a no lynch and mafia can pick one of the town PRs off. So go ahead and vote me, see where it gets town. Protip: probably not very far.

[Streaker]

Who said anything about no lynch, or even switching to vote you? I said I would reconsider it, but obviously you're not getting lynched today. I'm on standby to hammer HotShot, even though that decision might bite me in the ass (I would see Hotshot lynched over a no lynch).

Now again your last reply...

First you say that wing has been playing scummy (that's obviously your own opininon you state), but later you say that wing has been helping town.
So like I said, instead of following your own intuition you decide to sheep IB. Someone you consider scum in a scenario you state.
The fact that they have been going at each other means nothing about allignment ( at least not now).

Let me try and figure out your 2 scenario's:

-You vote Hotshot. If he flips town then you consider both IB and wing scum. But you just switched from wing to Hotshot based on IB's read.
-You vote Hotshot. If he flips mafia then you consider both IB and wing town. But you clearly state that you consider wing scummy (and don't give me IB's read, I'm talking about your own read stated above).

I mean, seriously?