Double Fanucci Mafia (4/14) Endgame

[Iron Butterfly]

Rolecop. I win when the threat of Mafia is eliminated.

Full claim please.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Newbie - We arent allowed to copy and paste from the pm. I wrote 4 of zurfs on the previous page. What am I missing?

[virus90]

what more is in a full claim then role. name and win con? without quoting the message ? think wing gave all that already ?

[HotShot53]

Wing, you said before

On the subject of role descriptions, my one is written from the viewpoint of my character. As others have said its very different style to NoS's.

Now you say that it just says you win when mafia are eliminated... how is that written from the viewpoint of your character?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Because my character is a cop and wants to catch the criminals, and only the criminals. Specifically the explicit mention of Mafia shows there to be a third party that my character is actively not interested in.

A doc has the responsibility of keeping his patients healthy, it follows that third parties are unlikely to be beneficial to the health of town so it follows that a doc would want to remove town from both mafia AND third party.

This is a lot easier to explain now you all know I am a rolecop anyway.

[virus90]

i have difficulties believing that different town people have different win cons...
to be honest i dont want to play the win con game, but wing every post you make needs more explaining. if you had explained it before hotshot asked it would be more believable maybe. but for me the story doesnt add up. and im not sure if it ever will. Every question answered raises new ones..

i do however want to note that im a Zurfs myself. i have thought about if it means anything.
http://www.thezorklibrary.com/history/d ... nucci.html
in the chard in the link zurfs is enemy of rains ? would that mean NoS is an enemy?
at this point i dont have any reason to believe so, since i think NoS is town and Wing might be scum. so i guess its all random, or my assumptions are just wrong
besides there are that many "suits", that i believe they are not nesecarily indicative of alignement.

[NoSurvivors]

Interesting find, virus. It will be interesting to see if that holds true later in the game. Could be nothing; but could also be useful. I wouldn't hang my hat on that, though.

As for wing, rolecop is a tough one, because it can be either town or mafia. I don't see us being able to pressure anyone else in a day, so it might be between him or myself, but that depends. I will keep my vote where it is, though. His posts have not changed my mind.

Wing, any role can be said to help their faction. I think you're reading too much into your role with your last post, trying to defend yourself too hard. Your role suits your game, could be town but scummy at the same time; I wish youd have kept your mouth shut and investigated me tonight. Would have helped a lot. Although the same could be said about me, so I mean this is kind of the kettle calling the pot black.

[NoSurvivors]

or is it the pot calling the kettle black... i cant remember lol

[HotShot53]

i have difficulties believing that different town people have different win cons...

Well, the options are either different town has different win conditions, or NoS and Wing are not town. If you think NoS is town, then town have different win conditions, and Wing could very well be town also. I am really confused at this point... if wing was scum, I don't think he would have jumped out saying his win condition was different from NoS but not the same as the standard town either... unless he is buddies with NoS and is trying to protect him.

For the moment I will unvote, vote IB for all of my previously stated reasons, since I still think IB is the most likely to be scum. If it gets down to the wire and the choice is between lynching NoS or Wing and a no-lynch day, I will vote them to try to clear this stuff up for tomorrow anyway, and I don't see anyone else as likely to actually get a majority behind them today (plurality will not be a lynch this game, only majority... )

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I think wing is town and while lynch hotshot, did you not read what I have posted since coming back.

Why is wing town? Don't sheep store, please.

Well he didnt read Storrs post on this page where Storr gives his thoughts about me, so I doubt he read many of the other posts.

If I was being really cynical I would say that "Wing has many votes on him, therefore must have done something scummy" is the argument here.

I will happily switch my vote from Streaker to Hotshot if things go that way. Those two, plus Rishaed and NoS are all good picks in my opinion.

Storr's post isn't good enough imo. Please don't presume to judge my reading capabilities.

@TA1LGUNN3R care to go into any more detail about Wing?

Uh, it's pretty obvious and has been pointed out by others. He's all over the place. Every time a wagon gets anywhere he starts going off about something else. Scum benefit most by spreading attention around.

And I'm sorry, but a willingness to mass claim d1 is not indicative of town cred. Fake claims are certainly a possibility. If such an action were worthy of town cred, then every game would just start with multiple people proposing a d1 mass claim. And then, what's the fucking point?

Personally, I'm of the opinion that the WC for NoS may be due to a more mundane reason, like Doom typed it out and sent it rather than copy+paste. "Last faction standing" and "threats eliminated" are equivalent for maf+scum. And, unless Doom has given fakeclaims, NoS' name rings true to me.

I'm more wary of those who wished to push the issue- Strike in particular.

Wing is looking super scummy but it's difficult to attribute to cornered scum or noobness.

Imo Storr's been awfully quiet regarding the wing BW, almost as if to deflect attention (mtam as well).

-Tails

The difference in WC is considerable. The fact you are trying to minimize this is fishy. Is it even possible in this flavour setup to derive anything from a name?

I actually like that Strike has the balls to continue pushing on a claimed doc (there is enough reason to doubt that WC). Personally I believe it is better suited for tomorrow.
If you truly believe Wing is looking THAT scummy then why on earth are you still voting Storr? I don't see you pushing any case here.

It's a post full of nothing, imo.


FoS Tails

Uh, not really that considerable. Anybody trying to push the WC angle is trying to make mountains out of molehills. Seriously, what is more likely? That the mod typed out a WC that is functionally equivalent while not really worrying about exactness of wordage, or NoS has a fake claim and messed up the WC, or he's telling the truth. His name is similar to mine, so barring a fake claim, I'm disposed to believe him.

My vote is still on storr because I don't throw my vote around willy-nilly. I'll vote when I'm ready.

Please don't just quote a post to bold 1 item, and make no comment.

Please don't act like a mod. It's annoying. Plus, given rish's pr, I think anything he can do to increase communication helps, so if he wants to highlight it's fine with me.

-Tails

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Upper quote not bad, lower quote.... Questionable. I don't like that at all. Streakers not questioning the vote analysis, but the timing. Why Now? What is your motivation? Redirection is all I can come up with. That and clogging up chat.
I would vote you for that, but my votes already on you so.....

The games up Rishaed. You can talk normally. Nobody will take you seriously anymore

Ahem. What PR does Rishaed have Tails?

[virus90]

@ hotshot, bout what i meant with wincons:

i mean i dont believe that 1 town needs to kill all mafia and 3th party (if its there) and the other has to kill only mafia. that just seems strange.
i do believe its possible that Doom Yoshi wrote some different phrased wincons.

[StorrZerg]

Btw role cop doesn't give alignment. ... generally.


It would just tell wing if nos told the truth about being doctor or not. (Different role, mafia most likely )

I think we still have plenty of time for a claim on hotshot.

[virus90]

no rolecop doenst give alignement indeed but would tell if someone is telling the truth. Wing argued that its not (that?) likely that there is a rolecop, (well he called 95 % chance Bullshit )

NoS is like 95% sure to be the town doc given that no one has counter claimed him. Anyone who thinks otherwise has to make a damn good argument against that or else they seem very scummy (strike hasn't made a damn good argument yet)

There are 174 cards in a double fanucci deck. There are NOT 174 unique roles.

Can people please stop altering this to be a different set up. Yes there are 14 unique roles in mafia. Yes in a vanilla game not everyone has power roles. This is not either of those. This is a closed random set up with 174 cards. There are basically infinite possibilities.

*Sigh* Ok yes 95% chance of actually being doc. I call BS, there is no way the chance is that high.

so then just check him? because his role would tell if he is doc or not.

these things are the reason i have not removed my vote.
and are also the reason that i do not nescesarily seek more claims for now.

[strike wolf]

Does anyone ever actually read whats going on in games?

[Iron Butterfly]

Because my character is a cop and wants to catch the criminals, and only the criminals. Specifically the explicit mention of Mafia shows there to be a third party that my character is actively not interested in.

A doc has the responsibility of keeping his patients healthy, it follows that third parties are unlikely to be beneficial to the health of town so it follows that a doc would want to remove town from both mafia AND third party.

This is a lot easier to explain now you all know I am a rolecop anyway.

Something does not ad up for me.

"On the subject of role descriptions, my one is written from the viewpoint of my character. As others have said its very different style to NoS's. However, what I would say, is that a Doc winning when his patients are no longer under threat from anyone sounds reasonable as the viewpoint of the doc."

In my eyes there is a difference between a role description and "the viewpoint of my character" It was this initial observation that suggested you may be more then one seems in regards to being mafia or third party. EVERYONE has a role in this game? If Wing is Town and knows what role someone is how would that help town other then to know if someone were lying about their role, which would only help if they were caught lying.

If it were mafia then that is a dangerous role to be up against.

I would like clarity. Wing does your role tell alignment or role. I ask because I have played in games where a role cop determined alignment.

What are the odds we would have both the Cop and Doc claimed.

I also find it extremely stupid/scummy that a person who has such a powerful role would play so aggressively to push people when all you have to do is investigate at night who you find to be the scummiest. It does not make sense to me.

[StorrZerg]

Last part, I could say the same If he was mafia. Why play that way with a claim that's generally mafia.

Deal is he wanted mass claim, because he could check claims. That matches.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I am a ROLECOP, I investigate ALIGNMENT.

Me playing in the background went out the window when I got bandwagoned for random voting myself.

The odds of finding two power roles does seem exceedingly high in this game seeing as everyone has one. Are you telling me there are roles out there that are essentially vanilla? What gets me is that Hotshot seems to think I have been defending NoS. The WinCon post was literally the only post I have ever written in favour of NoS, compared to the many pushing for lynching the claimed doc. I suspect StrikeWolf may be onto a major point here. Does anyone actually read the posts?

[StorrZerg]

So you do not find out about the role of the player you investigate?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Oh feck confused. I Investigate ROLE.

[StorrZerg]

Confirm you do not get alignment on your check

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Confirm.

Curiously what it actually says is Part of their role, so may not even get all that information.

[StorrZerg]

Rofl. Can we get more pressure on hotshot now.

[dd515087]

Hey everyone, I'm replacing in. Just figured I'd say hi. I'm about halfway done with catching up on all the posts, but I'm in class now so I'll finish up later on tonight.

[NoSurvivors]

Hey everyone, I'm replacing in. Just figured I'd say hi. I'm about halfway done with catching up on all the posts, but I'm in class now so I'll finish up later on tonight.

No worries-- would love to hear what you think of the current cases before nightfall if time permits, though.