Streaker's First Mafia (4/9) GAME OVER - mafia wins

[mtamburini]

Long wall texts jesus christ. why cant you just explain shit in one or two sentences people

[charm]

Well, it's time to start getting serious...what do we know?
9 players - so we either have 3 mafia or 2 mafia/1 serial killer

Here are my current reads:
1. Zivel - on the fence, but I was thinking that if RPG was used then position 1 or 2 would probably have a mafia position.
2.crasp - looking over the fence, same RPG reason.
3.UltrasPlot - on the fence, leaning town
4.HotShot53 - FOS, he states I'm town 1 second and then puts a vote on me. He also made the circus comment, which leads me to think he knows more than he is stating!
5.Mtamburini - on the fence - possibly serial killer, just a hunch.
6.Storrzerg - on the fence, leaning town
7.virus90 - FOS, he has said hardly anything, voted for crasp and then went quiet. Very typical of scum
8.Count Belisle - town and newbie, hasn't said anything of real value yet, I'm inclined to leave him alone just because he is new and needs to learn, besides I've never seen a newbie be mafia on the first game out. If he is, then he has to be coached heavily by seasoned players in the mafia. So he is one to watch for a slip.
9.Charm - town, valid reasons already stated by Zerg, Crasp, and HotShot

I welcome everyone to take my above list and add their thoughts.

FP'd by MTam

[StorrZerg]

Long wall texts jesus christ. why cant you just explain shit in one or two sentences people

Sure go.

[StorrZerg]

Wouldn't mind lynching you mtamburini.
Why? You are not coming to the same conclusions about others that I think you should, namely charm.

[HotShot53]

4.HotShot53 - FOS, he states I'm town 1 second and then puts a vote on me. He also made the circus comment, which leads me to think he knows more than he is stating!
9.Charm - town, valid reasons already stated by Zerg, Crasp, and HotShot

Umm... where did I ever say you were town, let alone give "valid reasons" for you being town? And what circus comment have I made? I think you are seriously mixing me up with someone... *adds skimming & OMGUS to your list of infractions*

For someone who has very limited experience, Count B's long post actually has some decent reasoning behind it. For the future, you should give reasoning like that when you make your initial vote, to avoid people thinking you are just bandwagonning/sheeping etc. Of course, just because someone is annoying doesn't mean they are scum... unfortunately, storr can often annoy people, whether he is town or scum. Once you have played a few games with everyone, you'll get to know people's normal attitudes... I have been learning to ignore when storr and mtam make annoying comments, because that's just what they do, it's not necessarily indicative of whether they are scum or town.

[StorrZerg]

What is good about his post.
What point is good?

[mtamburini]

In the game that just ended, storr voted seriously on a joke vote that he misread, and he happened to turn out town as much as I disagreed with him all game lol. This time, it sure reads like a joke vote though, I can't imagine that being a serious vote. That was a really quick bandwagon to form on him for that though, with only 9 people it only takes 3 to get to L-2, so I don't blame storr for not claiming instantly.

Count Belisle looks a bit suspicious for putting storr at L-1... Belisle, do you have much experience with forum mafia? Did you realize storr was almost getting lynched there?

Charm is being charm.... not sure I can ever read what she's doing at this point on day 1.

Crasp made a really strong push against storr (and I don't really see why).... I don't recall him making any pushes this strong the entire last game, so that is a bit suspicious. He's already at L-2 though I think, so I'm not going to put him at L-1.

I'm guessing it's a bit past the joke vote stage now, but I want to hear from Belisle before voting him, and crasp is already at L-2... so I don't see a place to put a vote at yet.

well from reading all the post here I cant tell joke phase until I came back and it really went out of hand, I was just what you call bandwagoning I thought I had to throw a vote out or I would not be participating, I just voted for StorrZerg because he was the loudests complaining first.

I think this makes him towny and not scummy. He openly admits he is not sure what is going on but did not want to feel left out and voted for someone who who he thinks is annoying. This read only holds true to the fact that he is a really new player.

FPd a lot

[mtamburini]

blablabla crasp you need storr to claim first to come up with a fake? o__O

Don't trust either of you though...

I agree with Hotshot.

VOTE COUNT BELISLE

You dont trust 2 people but vote on a person who is not them? I smell a mafia

[mtamburini]

Wow that was a fast bandwagon... I didn't realize I was that good of a shepherd lol. But since Count Belisle is now at L-1 I will unvote, don't want to quick-lynch the new guy without giving him a chance to defend himself.

Charm meanwhile, just did everything I just voted Count Belisle for doing... and it's even worse since Charm should know better. vote charm

Agree with this 100%. IIRC Ive only ever seen her do this as scum. Hotshot has made it into my Town Circle. 3 more spots remain Count B is in there on probation.

[mtamburini]

Willing to let Count B off for being new, putting someone on L1 is a little dodgy as it means that mafia can vote off the person straight away. This is not normal as the person that placed the last vote comes under a lot of scrutiny next day, but if they have protection etc then it could be valid.

Charm should know better, but Charm plays her own game and plays it well. She is tough to read. I am willing to get some pressure on her though and maybe she thought she could get a quick lynch in.

Vote Charm

What are your actual thoughts about Count B. This is such a weak argument because if Count B is mafia then everything you said is invalid.

[crasp]

9.Charm - town, valid reasons already stated by Zerg, Crasp, and HotShot

I welcome everyone to take my above list and add their thoughts.

FP'd by MTam

Heres my thoughts. If your claiming me as a witness for the defence you better hope you lawyer doesent put me on the stand.
@storr. Claim.

[mtamburini]

Wouldn't mind lynching you mtamburini.
Why? You are not coming to the same conclusions about others that I think you should, namely charm.

As am why I am accusing you, your are basing your read based off flavor that she has spoken of to which you cannot be sure what kind of flavor mafia or town are getting as they could be getting the same flavor as town.

So all your points of reading charm are invalid as you have not read her based on her play but solely on her flavor in the beginning of the game.

[StorrZerg]

Wow finally you are doing something. Mtamburini
I agree partly on count, I don't think what he is doing makes him town, just ignorant. You would be all over him for being scum if he made those accusations at yourself. Stop trying to give him a reason to avoid playing the came as well as giving him a reason to continue tunneling me.

Care to comment on my reasoning for why charm is town? I see you are more than happy to push another poor reason for someone being scum. (This case being charm )

@crasp, I bet if you keep asking me to claim with out responding to my defense I'll claim. (Hint that is a lie, I'm not claiming just cause you keep asking)

Specially since I have 1 tunneling for misreading my vote on zivel and hasn't evolved his read.

You crasp for failing to respond to me.

And count, for blindly pushing me for reasons not scummy.

[StorrZerg]

Wouldn't mind lynching you mtamburini.
Why? You are not coming to the same conclusions about others that I think you should, namely charm.

As am why I am accusing you, your are basing your read based off flavor that she has spoken of to which you cannot be sure what kind of flavor mafia or town are getting as they could be getting the same flavor as town.

So all your points of reading charm are invalid as you have not read her based on her play but solely on her flavor in the beginning of the game.

Don't you understand? ??? It doesn't matter what the flavor is. She announced her alignment looking for like minded people off clowns. Charm plays games, she flirts and hints her alignment and that's how you read her. She is a fairly transparent player.

[crasp]

@crasp, I bet if you keep asking me to claim with out responding to my defense I'll claim. (Hint that is a lie, I'm not claiming just cause you keep asking)

You crasp for failing to respond to me.

only defence I am seeing from you is i am the messiah and the rules dont apply.
Claim.

[mtamburini]

Wow finally you are doing something. Mtamburini
I agree partly on count, I don't think what he is doing makes him town, just ignorant. You would be all over him for being scum if he made those accusations at yourself. Stop trying to give him a reason to avoid playing the came as well as giving him a reason to continue tunneling me.

Care to comment on my reasoning for why charm is town? I see you are more than happy to push another poor reason for someone being scum. (This case being charm )

@crasp, I bet if you keep asking me to claim with out responding to my defense I'll claim. (Hint that is a lie, I'm not claiming just cause you keep asking)

Specially since I have 1 tunneling for misreading my vote on zivel and hasn't evolved his read.

You crasp for failing to respond to me.

And count, for blindly pushing me for reasons not scummy.

1) Incorrect refer to the game where I got mislynched cause kill was going full retard, I ended up figuring out he was town but he would not get off my dick.

2) Ive already explained why I think she is scum with you.

[mtamburini]

Wouldn't mind lynching you mtamburini.
Why? You are not coming to the same conclusions about others that I think you should, namely charm.

As am why I am accusing you, your are basing your read based off flavor that she has spoken of to which you cannot be sure what kind of flavor mafia or town are getting as they could be getting the same flavor as town.

So all your points of reading charm are invalid as you have not read her based on her play but solely on her flavor in the beginning of the game.

Don't you understand? ??? It doesn't matter what the flavor is. She announced her alignment looking for like minded people off clowns. Charm plays games, she flirts and hints her alignment and that's how you read her. She is a fairly transparent player.

She doesnt announce her alignment she announces her role. You've already previously stated this. Her looking for clowns I believe your immediate inclination should have been she was the fool as fools look to cheer up people and make them laugh. You immediately though she was town.

Her mentioning a third party role in her reads as well makes me think even more that she is not town. As my play has dictated thus far I want to lynch you before her for the reason I think she might be the fool. If there is a vigilante in the game I suggest shooting her to be safer than lynching her.

[UltrasPlot]

Unvote Count Belisle

pretty sure he doesn't know what he's doing at all yet...

[Zivel]

Willing to let Count B off for being new, putting someone on L1 is a little dodgy as it means that mafia can vote off the person straight away. This is not normal as the person that placed the last vote comes under a lot of scrutiny next day, but if they have protection etc then it could be valid.

Charm should know better, but Charm plays her own game and plays it well. She is tough to read. I am willing to get some pressure on her though and maybe she thought she could get a quick lynch in.

Vote Charm

What are your actual thoughts about Count B. This is such a weak argument because if Count B is mafia then everything you said is invalid.

Its refreshing to have Mtam actually asking decent questions and probing.

You are right, being new is not alignment indicative but that last post was a good one. Before that I had a null read, just not ready to pressure him to early. That last post gives a solid reasoning about Storr, not that I agree with it but it proves that he is thinking about his posts and vote makes sense. I would expect more of a defensive panic from him if he was mafia and that may come but for now that was enough of answer for him to be slight town.

@Crasp: What would storr claiming do to help town? Why would we need a claim this early? Do you really think Storr is scum?

When the hell did clowns become town, or am I missing something about that? When did flavor mean anything and most importantly when did what Charm says in day one mean anything important?

Storr's response to Counts pressure is interesting, he actually has a valid reason to vote you. You appear to him to be a slippery character and that has meant mafia to him in the past. To be honest it is not a bad assumption so dismissing it out of hand is not really a solid argument. I think it is more the mechanics policy of claiming at L1/L2 that is being questioned here. Why do you think it is bad for you to claim here Storr? Like why wont you claim?

[StorrZerg]

Actually no. He never said that person was mafia.
Secondly his reason isn't valid, since he isn't talking about the reasons why people are pushing nor is he talking about why I'm defending myself. Instead generalization of my play has been applied with out addressing people in the game.

So no his idea that I'm slippery = me being scummy is bad. I'm playing the game, part of the game is defending oneself.

And again, his behavior will not change with out pressure. He will not add anything more to the game, and will continue pushing me since it is "the easiest " option he has.

[StorrZerg]

I'm not claiming because I fell people are pushing me for poor misguided reasons.

Only now has mtamburini made a follow up point regarding a difference in reading charm. Something I consider not so great since he was all ready reading her scummy before I town read her.

And we have count, who I've all ready gone into detail.

If more people insisted that I claim, I'd probably be forced to. I don't see the benifit of claiming for myself, I feel I can still defend and prevent my lynch with out claiming. Also crasp has all ready put a conditional to my claim. Meaning he doesn't care about finding my alignment, he just wants the claim, hence his push is weak, and he is very persistent in just "claim"

[crasp]

@ziv. storr claiming would give a clue to his alignment. he claims a decent role and i will follow him. 9 player game we only need to confirm 2-3 town. Thats all it should take to get a claim. If that had been anybody else at L2 storr would have been on them for a claim regardless of what day it was.
These games only last 3 days max. i reckon 2 scum. 7 town. or 6 and 3rd party. The problem is that though the sums add up for town it doesent work like that. After tonight a lynch will need every member of town to vote for the same person. That isnt going to happen and if storr is scum he is expert at throwing suspicion onto other people. I see him more dangerous as scum than as a benefit to town.
Ihave already given my plan if it goes to a lynch.
Tomorrow we get the cop to claim and who he checked. Might be lucky and hit scum but even if he dosent we have two town. the only way mafia can counter that is for one of the scum to claim cop and his check. one of the two cops must be scum. Scum down to one. Advantage town.
Mtam doesent like how I play so be prepared.
Is storr scum. i dont know.
FP storr

[mtamburini]

@ziv. storr claiming would give a clue to his alignment. he claims a decent role and i will follow him. 9 player game we only need to confirm 2-3 town. Thats all it should take to get a claim. If that had been anybody else at L2 storr would have been on them for a claim regardless of what day it was.
These games only last 3 days max. i reckon 2 scum. 7 town. or 6 and 3rd party. The problem is that though the sums add up for town it doesent work like that. After tonight a lynch will need every member of town to vote for the same person. That isnt going to happen and if storr is scum he is expert at throwing suspicion onto other people. I see him more dangerous as scum than as a benefit to town.
Ihave already given my plan if it goes to a lynch.
Tomorrow we get the cop to claim and who he checked. Might be lucky and hit scum but even if he dosent we have two town. the only way mafia can counter that is for one of the scum to claim cop and his check. one of the two cops must be scum. Scum down to one. Advantage town.
Mtam doesent like how I play so be prepared.
Is storr scum. i dont know.
FP storr

You have successfully pocketed me if you are mafia. Youve made it to the town circle.

[charm]

Wouldn't mind lynching you mtamburini.
Why? You are not coming to the same conclusions about others that I think you should, namely charm.

As am why I am accusing you, your are basing your read based off flavor that she has spoken of to which you cannot be sure what kind of flavor mafia or town are getting as they could be getting the same flavor as town.

So all your points of reading charm are invalid as you have not read her based on her play but solely on her flavor in the beginning of the game.

Don't you understand? ??? It doesn't matter what the flavor is. She announced her alignment looking for like minded people off clowns. Charm plays games, she flirts and hints her alignment and that's how you read her. She is a fairly transparent player.

She doesnt announce her alignment she announces her role. You've already previously stated this. Her looking for clowns I believe your immediate inclination should have been she was the fool as fools look to cheer up people and make them laugh. You immediately though she was town.

Her mentioning a third party role in her reads as well makes me think even more that she is not town. As my play has dictated thus far I want to lynch you before her for the reason I think she might be the fool. If there is a vigilante in the game I suggest shooting her to be safer than lynching her.

Of course I'm town and aligned with town! As typical, I'm just a boring towny, but I'm not a fool - Swear on CC or no sex for me for 1 week! - Now those who know me, should definitely know I'm not giving up sex!!

I find it really interesting that you talk vaguely about a 3rd party, when I hinted that you were the serial killer. Uusually, you come out attacking. I should have stated 3rd Party, not serial killer. Honestly, I've been watching Criminal Minds marathons and it seems that SK is the typical 3rd party in basic games. I only stated the obvious -that we either have a 6x3 or a 6x2x1 game. You are not coming out overly aggressive as town or mafia, which is why I'm thinking you might be a 3rd party.

And, one final point - I might not have really solid reasons for my reads yet, after all it is day 1, but I've been notorious for guessing fairly accurately! That's 2 points.

@Hotshot...I was referencing you stating "Charm is being charm..." Now I know you are enjoying having your head up my ass, but if you lead a lynch on me, then everyone will assume you are scum when I show up town and they will lynch you. I'd hate to see you make a mistake, just because I mistakenly took Count B to L1 in the joke phase.

[charm]

I am revising my FOS on HotShot - he was right about not being the one mentioning circus. It was originally mentioned in Streaker's opening story and then by Zerg.

Therefore, I am on the fence about HotShot!

Sorry about that HotShot!